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« Reply #1005 on Mar 2, 2009, 8:37pm »

Uncle John here: It's been a couple of days since I got some people upset at my answer as to why I don't start my own thread.

People who somewhat know me, will recognize that there are two subjects dear to my heart: humor and spirituality. Of course, I think they are the same subject, but I'm weird that way. So let's get started with a reference to a great interview.

http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean_25_feb_2009.html


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Kerry: We have gotten information from someone saying that they think there was some problem with the Navy’s control of the ET situation sometime over the last year, where they seem to be losing ground or losing power within the factions, you know, Army vs. Navy vs. Air Force. Is that true? It doesn’t ring true to me. But I wondered if you’ve heard anything about that.

Bob: All I’ve known is that at the very beginning of the whole d**n thing that the Navy has been the primary service in this whole thing. And I don’t know where it began. Probably back to the fact that the Navy recovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego in 1941.



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Bob: Let me just say one thing in closing. It’s all a spiritual matter. You know that.

Miriam: That’s the only thing

Bob: It has nothing to do with guys coming and going from different places.

Miriam: It has nothing to do with it. And Kerry and Bill are supporters of that, fully.



Mar 2, 2009, 5:19am, temporal wrote:
Shawn and I, along with Bob Morningstar, Bob Vanderclock, Nick Curto, Hal Rainbow and Peter Robbins had an interesting breakfast together. Fascinating.

Say what you think. Take what others say and measure. It's all give and take.


UJ: There is no report back from Shawn and Clay's meeting about any discussion about either humor or spirituality. Ok, here we go. Hold on to you hats. Take a few deep breaths.

The following should be taken with a spirit of humor. Start laughing before you read the next sentence.

"I'm the architect of heaven."

I say this because I'm continually trying to figure out what is the contract between God and the offworlders concerning humanity. How can anyone mention God without consideration of heaven and hell. How does heaven and hell work anyway? Does heaven and hell have something to do with the mechanism that actualizes our memory and consciousness?

You can stop laughing now.

Perhaps now I should present one of my other conjectures, "All the money in the world actually belongs to the offworlders." This solves that age old problem: "If you had all the money in the universe, what would you spend it on?" "You would spend it on humans." This whole universe is one big game of "Monopoly." What if every time you passed "Go" you were given a new lifetime to life?

I bet you that Shawn and Clay never ask me to breakfast. I'm so jealous. What does this have to do with Source A and the Navy? Everybody eats breakfast some of the time. Like Clay said, "It's all give and take" and perhaps I just took more than I gave?
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« Reply #1007 on Mar 2, 2009, 9:33pm »

Interesting that you mentioned that about the Rendlesham Forrest incident could have been an exercise in psychological warfare, temporal. It's almost about a month ago or so as there was an ex-GI on the Kevin Smith Show who told about some strange excrcises back in the 70s where they fought an alleged alien invasion on the ground. He actually encountered some beings there. As far as I do remember they weren't aware that aliens were involved. They thought it's an invasion by some enemy forces. He told that many died in those fights and after that incident most of those who were involved got possibly brainwashed and can't remember that much anymore. So also was he. Don't know what to make of it. Maybe the interview can still be found in the archives of the members area.
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Mar 2, 2009, 8:37pm, unclejohn wrote:
Uncle John here: It's been a couple of days since I got some people upset at my answer as to why I don't start my own thread.

People who somewhat know me, will recognize that there are two subjects dear to my heart: humor and spirituality. Of course, I think they are the same subject, but I'm weird that way. So let's get started with a reference to a great interview.

http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean_25_feb_2009.html


Quote:
Kerry: We have gotten information from someone saying that they think there was some problem with the Navy’s control of the ET situation sometime over the last year, where they seem to be losing ground or losing power within the factions, you know, Army vs. Navy vs. Air Force. Is that true? It doesn’t ring true to me. But I wondered if you’ve heard anything about that.

Bob: All I’ve known is that at the very beginning of the whole d**n thing that the Navy has been the primary service in this whole thing. And I don’t know where it began. Probably back to the fact that the Navy recovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego in 1941.





Mar 2, 2009, 5:19am, temporal wrote:
Shawn and I, along with Bob Morningstar, Bob Vanderclock, Nick Curto, Hal Rainbow and Peter Robbins had an interesting breakfast together. Fascinating.

Say what you think. Take what others say and measure. It's all give and take.


UJ: There is no report back from Shawn and Clay's meeting about any discussion about either humor or spirituality. Ok, here we go. Hold on to you hats. Take a few deep breaths.

The following should be taken with a spirit of humor. Start laughing before you read the next sentence.

"I'm the architect of heaven."

I say this because I'm continually trying to figure out what is the contract between God and the offworlders concerning humanity. How can anyone mention God without consideration of heaven and hell. How does heaven and hell work anyway? Does heaven and hell have something to do with the mechanism that actualizes our memory and consciousness?

You can stop laughing now.

Perhaps now I should present one of my other conjectures, "All the money in the world actually belongs to the offworlders." This solves that age old problem: "If you had all the money in the universe, what would you spend it on?" "You would spend it on humans." This whole universe is one big game of "Monopoly." What if every time you passed "Go" you were given a new lifetime to life?

I bet you that Shawn and Clay never ask me to breakfast. I'm so jealous. What does this have to do with Source A and the Navy? Everybody eats breakfast some of the time. Like Clay said, "It's all give and take" and perhaps I just took more than I gave?


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I bet you that Shawn and Clay never ask me to breakfast. I'm so jealous. What does this have to do with Source A and the Navy? Everybody eats breakfast some of the time. Like Clay said, "It's all give and take" and perhaps I just took more than I gave?

Hey Uncle John,

Agreed, this really does not have much to do with the thread. However, the Warren and Source A personalities are very similar in some respects. We thought this would be interesting to you folks at OMF. As for not asking you to breakfast, not true. It's been said that you fork into other people's plates (lol). Just kidding UJ. If you were in the New York area, believe us when we tell you that you would be at breakfast with us.

As for humor and spirituality. I kidded with Peter a couple of times and made the table laugh. Peter also has a wonderful sense of humor. Bob Vanderclock, don't get him going.

For the spiritual side, nothing had to be said. It is why we were all there. For ET, we just don't know.
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« Reply #1009 on Mar 2, 2009, 10:55pm »

Chinese Eminent Domain would never happen in ten million years. Its just not practical. Plus it actually makes no actual sense when you think about it for a minute.

I am glad the dude who asserted such nonsense didn't actually claim to see the document that proves it.

Typical.

P.S. Does anyone actually believe that?
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« Reply #1010 on Mar 2, 2009, 10:57pm »


Mar 2, 2009, 6:13pm, Mur wrote:
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I doubt the Eminent domain claim.


What I don't get is that on one hand you say to trust the govt, but on the other you post stuff that is quite outlandish saying how the govt is evil.

I certainly don't trust them, but they are not so evil to grant eminent domain to China.

If we default the Chinese are left holding an empty bag.

Too bad for them.

They get nothing.

Plenty of countries have defaulted before...there has been no eminent domain ever in these defaults



They get nothing? Not if the post about the gov giving the ok for China to exercise eminent domain is true. If it is true then the default payment will be US land & collateral property.

Lets get something straight here Mur. I have NEVER said wholly trust the government...nor have I ever said they are evil. I didn't think I had to spell out that I believe the government to be populated by just plain people who become victim to the complex condition which our government has become. I didn't think it was neccessary to be so specific that I believe in having, gaining, creating the ability for persons of decision & policy making positions (including the public) to be able to make INFORMED DECISIONS. No decision or policy can be either good or effective or non-detrimental if it is BASED ON EITHER LIES, DECEPTION, or a DISTINCT LACK OF APPROPRIATE & NECESSARY INFORMATION.

In other words...what we currently have here is a mess rocketing into disaster due to a FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

That is not evil...that is retarded.

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« Reply #1011 on Mar 3, 2009, 12:04am »


Mar 2, 2009, 10:57pm, Cyrellys wrote:



They get nothing? Not if the post about the gov giving the ok for China to exercise eminent domain is true. If it is true then the default payment will be US land & collateral property.


The Chinese Eminent Domain claim is not true.


Mar 2, 2009, 10:57pm, Cyrellys wrote:

Lets get something straight here Mur. I have NEVER said wholly trust the government...nor have I ever said they are evil. I didn't think I had to spell out that I believe the government to be populated by just plain people who become victim to the complex condition which our government has become. I didn't think it was neccessary to be so specific that I believe in having, gaining, creating the ability for persons of decision & policy making positions (including the public) to be able to make INFORMED DECISIONS. No decision or policy can be either good or effective or non-detrimental if it is BASED ON EITHER LIES, DECEPTION, or a DISTINCT LACK OF APPROPRIATE & NECESSARY INFORMATION.

In other words...what we currently have here is a mess rocketing into disaster due to a FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

That is not evil...that is retarded.



We agree :o

Our Govt was designed over the years for control of the masses.

They believe they are acting in our best interests.

But they cannot solve every problem for us.

They are limited in what they can do.

They don't know what the truth is, it only knows how to preserve itself.

The only truth that matters to it, is its own.

It is what it is.

Bearing that in mind, it is best not to count on it for the truth you think you need....because you don't.

Anyway, Chinese Eminent domain is never ever going to happen.

We default, they get nothing.

I actually expect the default is likely...4 to 5 years away
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« Reply #1012 on Mar 3, 2009, 1:10am »

The way the goverments have gone about the way they do things is very clever because they have given us the Illusion of control and it is the tendency for human beings to believe they can control, or at least influence, outcomes that they demonstrably have no influence over.

Governments form basically to defend against or create monopolies that control the distribution of wealth and freedoms. Corrupt monopolies form the underlying basis for almost every revolution. Revolutions from the French Aristocracy; the British Crown, the Russian Tsar and the Chinese Boxer & Cultural Revolution all fought the monopolistic control of a detached government.

Communists, like the Republican Americans and the Socialist French all sought to replace corrupt monopolistic governments. Unfortunately, history tends to show that one corrupt monopoly is often traded out for another. Jefferson, one of the U.S. founding fathers, went as far as to suggested that a revolution every 20 years was necessary to prevent the government from getting out of control.

But like The 2nd Amendment says "we the people" the right to bear arms. This implies that if the government has atomic weapons, then we the people also are entitled to atomic weapons. Consider how quickly our government would abolish atomic weapons under such a construct. The purpose of 2nd Amendment is to ensure that the government is never more powerful than "we the people"

How things have changed since then.

For fifty years this government has sent our young men and women into leftover wars of the European Empires. This government is now emulating those old empires in sacrificing our young men and women in war solely for financial gain and control of oil. In other words the only people that are benefiting are the people in control of governments, defense contractors, and the financial institutes of the world.

Articles Of Change

1.Though current law forbids it, The Federal Reserve Bank will be split wide open and fully investigated as to actual ownership and its unlawful charter.

2. Resume President Kennedys monetary program: Ordering the U.S. Treasury Department to once again print our own money, instead of borrowing and paying interest on a counterfeit currency printed by an invisible elite.

3. All firearm laws throughout the land shall be rescinded, repealed and universally struck down as being unconstitutional. The Bill Of Rights clearly prescribes: There shall be no limitations on type or quantity (of firearms), that we might ever oppose tyrannical government.

4. The existing government having taken financial institutions under its wing: Credit card interest will be restricted by decree to single digits. We The People will no longer stand for exponential disembowelment.

5. The Internal Revenue Service shall be immediately dismantled.

6. A National sales tax shall be charged on all purchases.

7. Immediate reduction of twenty percent of all law enforcement agencies. These people produce nothing. They are seldom present when needed. They are a drain on the economy, and have become entirely too much like the Nazi Gestapo of Adolf Hitler in their manner and the tactics used today.

8. Medium to hard labor will be returned to our prison system. Once again the inmates will break rocks in the hot sun, work in chain gangs and realize that the punishment for their crime is serious. Our corrections system and law enforcement is bloated with good paying jobs, retirement and is totally out of control. It works so well for the Governmental, Judiciary Bureaucracy that our prisons hold more people per capita than any other developed country.

9. The Armed Forces of The United States, otherwise un-infringed will stand down, stand aside and be supported in its mission to protect the people of America from foreign invasion.

10. A National Health Plan will be implemented for all Americans. No American will go without medical attention or treatment from qualified and competent medical personnel. The elitist barriers will be broken down. Social responsibility of all citizens will aid in defraying the balance of operational cost of the Nation Health Plan.

11. Let turnover be the arbiter in labor/management differences. Henceforth strikes shall be illegal. Let the worker think and then vote with his feet.

12. The space program will be reduced by fifty percent. There is no need to militarize the heavens above us.

13. The military budget will be reduced by one third. There is not a country that seriously threatens the United States.

14. Create a five-year program graduating and increasing tariffs on goods being imported into the U.S. Let us serve notice to all corporate entities, owners, shareholders, board members. This should serve as a reminder to all business people as to where their heritage, loyalties and futures lay. It should also prompt all Americans to buy American and strengthen our economy. A stiff resistance will be met with even a stiffer insistence that they and their families leave this country.

15. All monetary grants and subsidies to foreigners and immigrants, both educational and commercial shall be halted immediately.

16. Corporal punishment in our schools will be restored, but monitored.

17. The government will remove itself from our home in matters of parental discipline of their children. Teachers and health officials will remain ever vigilant of these matters.

18. Illegal aliens from any nation will be deported immediately and all property and money seized. First offender will be given a stiff warning. Repeat offenders will sentenced to prison at hard labor and then deported at the end of their sentence.

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27. A lay board shall review the actions of all law enforcement offices and judicial proceedings to ensure that all violators of the laws are treated fairly and brought to justice properly. The ERA of just-us (just for them) will come to close.

28. Any attorney claiming the title in Queen Elizabeths realm of Esquire shall be immediately disbarred. America has no such titles.

29. The U.S. Supreme Court will hear all firearm cases, and will strike down all laws enacted to violate the constitutional rights of all citizens, or infringes upon the second amendment.

30. Federal Strike Forces will be illegal: The power to deal with domestic disturbances shall fall within the power of the sheriffs office, mayors, local courts and the governors office of the respective state. Governors that permit any Federal Agency to run amok shall be censured and recalled.

31. All American Armed Forces shall be withdrawn immediately from the Middle East. The United Nations will be cordially requested to supply a peacekeeping force for both Afghanistan and Iraq. This peacekeeping force may be joined by volunteer military from the U.S., and not to exceed 10% of the total force stationed in the Middle East.

32. An acknowledgement will be made that grave errors in foreign policy have made in the name of America, which have in fact incited severe reprisals, which also should end. A government, which inflicts such diverse injury on its own people, certainly cannot be trusted nor respected around the world.

33. The United States Of America will no longer follow the example of the British Empire, its commercial interest, entangling it in one mess after another, requiring the aid of the U.S. Military to extricate them (and the U.S.) from the effects of hostile native uprisings.

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1. Public offices: Limited to two terms maximum. This includes the offices of Congress, Senate, and the U.S. Supreme Court Justices. It is high time that these current office holders realize: They are not considered as a monument in Washington, D.C. and they will have to reenter the workforce in the real world with the rest of us.

2. A critical review of the current political performance by all current office holders, and the retirement packages will be considered due to the age of many currently in office.

3. Only 50% of the Upper Houses of Congress, Senate and the Executive Branch may consist of attorneys, who after, do not live and function in the real world.

4. All Bills and Laws must be crafted in lay language as our Constitution and The Declaration of Independence was; that "We The People" will understand and interpret what is being placed upon them.

5. A nationwide class action lawsuit: Leveled against the Credit Card Entities, which end results, being the refund a portion of hundreds of billions of dollars looted from the American People by way of usurious illegal interest rates.

To The American People:
If it looks like Tyranny, act like tyranny, struts like Tyranny, then lets call it: Tyranny!

Money is not the God of the People!

A sole self-interested individual does not stand much chance against the great bad world out there. As President Lincoln put it, "A house divided against itself cannot stand.

And thats all I have to say!
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« Reply #1013 on Mar 3, 2009, 1:23am »


Mar 3, 2009, 12:04am, Mur wrote:

Mar 2, 2009, 10:57pm, Cyrellys wrote:



They get nothing? Not if the post about the gov giving the ok for China to exercise eminent domain is true. If it is true then the default payment will be US land & collateral property.


The Chinese Eminent Domain claim is not true.


Mar 2, 2009, 10:57pm, Cyrellys wrote:

Lets get something straight here Mur. I have NEVER said wholly trust the government...nor have I ever said they are evil. I didn't think I had to spell out that I believe the government to be populated by just plain people who become victim to the complex condition which our government has become. I didn't think it was neccessary to be so specific that I believe in having, gaining, creating the ability for persons of decision & policy making positions (including the public) to be able to make INFORMED DECISIONS. No decision or policy can be either good or effective or non-detrimental if it is BASED ON EITHER LIES, DECEPTION, or a DISTINCT LACK OF APPROPRIATE & NECESSARY INFORMATION.

In other words...what we currently have here is a mess rocketing into disaster due to a FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

That is not evil...that is retarded.



We agree :o

Our Govt was designed over the years for control of the masses.

They believe they are acting in our best interests.

But they cannot solve every problem for us.

They are limited in what they can do.

They don't know what the truth is, it only knows how to preserve itself.

The only truth that matters to it, is its own.

It is what it is.

Bearing that in mind, it is best not to count on it for the truth you think you need....because you don't.

Anyway, Chinese Eminent domain is never ever going to happen.

We default, they get nothing.

I actually expect the default is likely...4 to 5 years away



I don't think I specifically need it in the sense you are implying as I am a little more aware of what has been happening over the years than the average Joe....My part effort toward assisting them to have enough faith in themselves and in us to fulfill their own needs....that is to correct the wrong which is tearing everything apart, to return to a path of just behavior. There is at least one group within who are already working on it. It is still early in the effort. When the path has been corrected then there won't be such a tremendous load of energy involved in keeping the secrets...that energy is that which is fueling the other tangent issues on out the line....fix the source of the problem then the tangent issues will be more manageable if not potentially repairable.

See the reasoning?

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Mar 3, 2009, 1:23am, Cyrellys wrote:


I don't think I specifically need it in the sense you are implying as I am a little more aware of what has been happening over the years than the average Joe....My part effort toward assisting them to have enough faith in themselves and in us to fulfill their own needs....that is to correct the wrong which is tearing everything apart, to return to a path of just behavior.


I know you know. ;)

I know you are trying to assist them, but I don't think they need our assistance.

This info is not the panacea you think it is.

Every wrong can't be corrected.

Injustice can't be eliminated.

Disclosure depending on what is disclosed, might be a bigger injustice.

Besides, I don't believe the cover up is what is destroying the world.



Mar 3, 2009, 1:23am, Cyrellys wrote:

There is at least one group within who are already working on it. It is still early in the effort. When the path has been corrected then there won't be such a tremendous load of energy involved in keeping the secrets...that energy is that which is fueling the other tangent issues on out the line....fix the source of the problem then the tangent issues will be more manageable if not potentially repairable.

See the reasoning?

Cy


I see your reasoning, just don't share your belief that these groups or group give a flying bleep about ending the cover up.

If they did, they would not target the ufo community only.

There is a far more earthly explanation to these releases....IMO.

They have a value beyond what the stated explanation is.

I know you see this.

I want to believe, but there is little good faith in the actions.

I don't need proof, but I would like to see the talk backed up with something beyond more talk.

It is about time don't you think?

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« Reply #1015 on Mar 3, 2009, 3:11am »

I think giving this year a shot at setting up internal arrangements with this new admin to line things up for a move on 'something beyond more talk' can be lived with...let's give them the time and see what they come up with...we've waited this long, a year as a new administration sets up isn't an unreasonable request or notification by them I think.

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« Reply #1016 on Mar 3, 2009, 3:40am »


Mar 3, 2009, 3:11am, Cyrellys wrote:
I think giving this year a shot at setting up internal arrangements with this new admin to line things up for a move on 'something beyond more talk' can be lived with...let's give them the time and see what they come up with...we've waited this long, a year as a new administration sets up isn't an unreasonable request or notification by them I think.

Cy


Lol...now you want to put your faith/trust/hope in Obama?

Just a few posts ago you were "concerned" about him selling out America to the Chinese.

Your posts conflict each other.



All I am saying is....

We don't need to depend on the govt for our answers.

They probably have the wrong ones anyway.

If you can't trust them not to sell us out to the Chinese, how could you possibly trust anything related to disclosure from them?
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 Re: UN / Source "A" - Discussion & Follow Up III
« Reply #1017 on Mar 3, 2009, 4:04am »

1) The B-2 Stealth bomber secretly has electrogravitic systems on board, eliminating most weight when turned on, and enabling it to fly great distances with little fuel consumption. While the B-2's existence is public knowledge, the fact that it secretly has antigravity properties is not.


2) The Aurora is a moderate-sized spacefaring vehicle that can operate on both conventional fuel and antigravity field-propulsion systems. The Aurora can travel to the Moon. It operates out of Area 51, (Groom Dry Lake Air Force Station), at the northeast corner of the Nellis AFB Range, north of Las Vegas, Nevada.


3) The Lockheed-Martin X-33A VentureStar military space plane is a military version of its acknowledged civilian aerospace vehicle, the National Space Plane, in off-and-on development. The military X-33A has an electrogravitics system on board.


4) the Lockheed X-22A is a two-man antigravity disc fighter. The late Colonel Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.), stated that military astronauts who fly it trained at a secret aerospace academy separate from the regular Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, CO. These military astronauts then operate out of such bases as Beale and Vandenberg Air Force Bases, Northern California. From those bases, these military astronauts regularly fly trans-atmospherically and out into space. An ex-NSA employee said that the X-22A is equipped with Neutral Particle Beam directed-energy weapons, that it is capable of effecting optical as well as radar invisibility, and that it is deployable for worldwide military operations


5) The Nautilus is another space- faring military spacecraft, which operates by magnetic pulsing It is manufactured jointly by Boeing's Phantom Works near Seattle and EU's Airbus Industries Anglo-French consortium. It makes twice-a-week trips up to a secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years. The Nautilus has the ability to strike a ground target, hurtling down from space, a direction from which attacks are not usually expected.


6) The TR3-A 'Pumpkinseed' is a super-fast aerospace vehicle with a thin oval airframe shaped like a pumpkinseed. It has been identified as using pulse-detonation technology for propulsion in a sub-hypersonic regime, and also uses antigravity technology for mass-reduction and complementary field propulsion at higher speed levels.


7) the TR3-B 'Astra is a large triangular anti-gravity craft within the U.S. fleet. It was reportedly secretly deployed in the Gulf War's early hours, using electromagnetic-pulse/laser cannons. It literally sat in mid-air, firing at long-, medium-, and short-range targets to take them out.


8) A Northrop antigravity disc is manufactured by Northrop Aircraft Corporation. I have seen and dubbed it the 'Great Pumpkin' , from its intensely-brilliant ruddy golden-orangish glow, resultant from strong ambient ionization. This points to electrogravitics as its method of field propulsion.


9) The XH-75D or XH Shark antigravity helicopter is manufactured by Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical Corporation of San Diego (now part of Northrop-Grumman). USAF Colonel Steve Wilson reported that many of these XH-75Ds were assigned to the Delta/National Reconnaissance Organization Division which retrieves downed UFOs. That Division is also implicated in mutilating cattle as a psychological warfare program on the American public, to try to get citizens to fear and hate Star Visitors through assuming that “the aliens” are the ones cutting up the cattle. The antigravity Shark helo is also capable of operating invisibly.


10) The TAW-50 is a hypersonic, antigravity, space-capable fighter-bomber jointly developed by the Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works and Northrop. The TAW-50 is capable of moving considerably faster than 38,000 mph. The TAW-50 has a SCRAM (supersonic ramjet) propulsion system for passing through the upper atmosphere. The TAW-50 also utilizes electrogravitics to maintain its own artificial gravity while in weightless space, as well as to nullify the vehicle's mass during operations. The TAW-50 is armed with its own Kill Laser system. In addition, the TAW-50 is armed with micro-superexplosive HyperDart missiles. These are just a little larger than ordinary aircraft cannon ammunition, but travel at hypersonic speed for up to three minutes, and have enormous explosive capability. One HyperDart can blow apart a MiG fighter anywhere within 20 feet of the HyperDart. The TAW-50 carries several hundred HyperDarts. The performance of the TAW-50 makes it virtually impossible to defend against. It can hide in orbit many hundreds of miles into space, orbiting at times at 22,000 mph. Then, without warning, it can dive straight down through the atmosphere at over 38,000 miles per hour on an 80-degree attack vector, reverse direction within 150 feet of the ground with very little loss of motion and without a glide turn, and almost instantly go vertically straight up at over 38,000 mph until long after it leaves the atmosphere and resumes orbiting in space. The TAW-50's electrogravitics allow it to change its mass to almost nothing in a moment, and reverse direction in a second, then increase its acceleration to many times Earth's gravity, yet is able to virtually nullify the inertial and G-force effect on the pilots. As of 2002, the U.S. has 20 TAW-50s in its arsenal. But, as a contractor who helped build it commented, 'You could take out an entire nation in under 10 days with only 10 of these, doing three attacks a day. One can wipe out an entire city the size of suburban Cleveland in a single attack without having to use any nukes at all.”


11) The Northrop Quantum Teleportation Disc is the result of advances beyond “mere” antigravity field propulsion. Northrop engineers have incorporated quantum physics principles, and have harnessed quantum entanglement to achieve quantum teleportation as the means by which this craft “ceases to exist” in one location and suddenly reappears over a distant target.


Where are these craft kept? While not all locations are known, some of these advanced-technology craft operate out of: Nellis Air Force Base’s Area 51, Rachel, Nevada; Vandenberg AFB (Lompoc) and Beale AFB (Marysville), California; Michael Army Auxiliary Air Field at Dugway Proving Grounds, Tooele, Utah; Space City at White Sands Missile Range, Las Cruces, New Mexico; Whiteman AFB, Sedalia, Missouri; and undoubtedly at additional locations.


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 Re: UN / Source "A" - Discussion & Follow Up III
« Reply #1018 on Mar 3, 2009, 4:10am »


Mar 3, 2009, 3:40am, Mur wrote:

Mar 3, 2009, 3:11am, Cyrellys wrote:
I think giving this year a shot at setting up internal arrangements with this new admin to line things up for a move on 'something beyond more talk' can be lived with...let's give them the time and see what they come up with...we've waited this long, a year as a new administration sets up isn't an unreasonable request or notification by them I think.

Cy


Lol...now you want to put your faith/trust/hope in Obama?

Just a few posts ago you were "concerned" about him selling out America to the Chinese.

Your posts conflict each other.



All I am saying is....

We don't need to depend on the govt for our answers.

They probably have the wrong ones anyway.

If you can't trust them not to sell us out to the Chinese, how could you possibly trust anything related to disclosure from them?


My posts didn't conflict...I never said not verify the Clinton/Chinese Eminent Domain claim and if it were true then dealing with it....you mix up things like that very easily....the US Gov is a vast creature. Since when does encouraging internal change in perceptions & policy equate to believing Obama can do or not do anything? We're talking about pro-disclosures associated with Source A's section of the structure seeking opportunity within open government positions in order to effect external & internal policy change & action on the Contact paradigm. I used the example of the ED issue to further illustrate how the energy & mentalities embodied in maintaining the CCS secrecy overflows and rolls into the public domain. Just one of many enflaming the rift. Sometimes I think you would like to see the whole kitten kaboodle fall flat on its face into oblivion so that some other government & social structure could rise in its wake. I happen to think a few years off of ET showing up on scene enforce is not a good time for a revolution which entails reinventing the wheel. Don't you think it would be better to work with the system we know rather than add unnecessarily to the list of unknowns to be faced?

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 Re: UN / Source "A" - Discussion & Follow Up III
« Reply #1019 on Mar 3, 2009, 4:33am »

There may be some mis-understanding on this Chinese Immenient Domain topic, but don't throw it all off as yet as being totally untrue until more surfaces. In trying to find out more on this tonight I did find this:

buried way, way down in the US - China agreement there is a standard bond agreement that contains language giving whomever or whatever access to the eminent domain process?

Here is the House of Representatives' vote on a motion offered by Foxx (R - NC) that would prevent funds in the Omnibus Appropriations Act from being used to exercise the power of eminent domain.

H.R. 1105 — Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009
February 24, 2009
Managers: McGovern / Sessions

Motion offered by Foxx

"To make in order and provide the appropriate waivers for amendment #6, offered by Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA), which would prevent funds in the bill from being used to exercise the power of eminent domain to take private property from a private entity and give that property to another private entity, while exempting certain enumerated uses, such as highways, prisons, public utilities, and in cases of national emergencies or national disasters declared by the President."

The motion was defeated 4 to 7.

A 4 to 7 vote indicates that the bill was in committee.




So apparently there is something going on or else this would not have been done. Since it was defeated 4-7 this says this was slipped in when not many were present to vote on it is how I am taking that part of it.

So much is going on it is unreal now it seems, and more research needs to be done on this matter.



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