Similarities of "The Drones" to other sightings. « Thread Started on Jul 4, 2007, 8:00pm »
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Once in a while, I get the urge to find out what's going on in the area of UFOs. I occasionally listen to Coast to Coast with George Noory. I went to their website to nose around a few nights ago. I came across the entry from "Issac", who outlined his involvement with Palo Alto, from 1984 to 1987, in a program called, CARET. He was responding to the recent photos of an unusual craft that was captured, in perfect detail, by two different people, in two different locations, in California. In "Issac's" opening letter, he shows two photos side by side. One of the photographs shows a "craft" hovering in an outdoor setting. The other, is from his material, showing a few "disk's" displayed on a concrete floor that were artifacts related to the program he was working on.
My guess is that these are both relatively small objects, each no more than several feet in diameter. I found the information in the article compelling and quite possible. In my continued random searching that night, I also came across the "The Italian Air Force UFO" video, apparently first appearing in 1995. But new to me, several days ago. It shows a disk shaped craft that crosses from right to left, stops in mid-flight, hovers for a few moments while the craft rotates clockwise and then it continues left and disappears over the horizon in what appears to be a high speed acceleration.
What caught my eye was the fact that, as it rotated, it looked like there were flaps of some sort, moving up and down, on the outside diameter of the craft. As if it were an essential part of its ability to hover and rotate. My initial response was that the "Italian Air Force UFO" and the "Disk" displayed on the floor, appear to be identical in construction. Without any expertise in this area, I disagreeumption would be that this configuration can possibly be fabricated in any size required. If you go back and forth from the video to the photo, the "flaps" are clearly evident, in both examples. I know this is pure conjecture and a loose observation, but it's hard to dismiss the striking similarities. Especially since both of these items were apparently constructed to fly. I mentioned above that the "Italian" video is from 1995. There is another claim that someone photographed a "Drone" back in 1995 as well. Connection? Just FYI.....
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #1 on Jul 4, 2007, 10:21pm »
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I found the information in the article compelling and quite possible. In my continued random searching that night, I also came across the "The Italian Air Force UFO" video, apparently first appearing in 1995.
Yes, that Italian thing looks similar with those flaps, but I'm not sure if it's the same since the number of knobs between flaps seems to be different:
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What caught my eye was the fact that, as it rotated, it looked like there were flaps of some sort, moving up and down, on the outside diameter of the craft.
That flap moving/disappearing is a very odd behavior.
I'm wondering if anyone has proven this to be fake yet?
Anyway, I did find something interesting, as the camera moves, the bright flap should be smeared like everything else in the picture, however, it is pulsed!:
One possible explanation is that the craft is illuminated by street lamps, I don't see any bright lights in that area that would light the craft up, and the Sunlight will not cause pulsing.
Any street light pulsing in Italy should be 50Hz which produces 100Hz bright pulses. The craft shows at least 4 pulses (100Hz * 4 = 40 ms). This camera would have to provide a frame that lasted about 40ms (25 frames per second). If that is a common video camera feature then it indicates that a real object was in the sky and being illuminated by the street lamps. However, the rest of the craft appears to be smeared, so it looks like only those white sections are pulsed.
The video compression is terrible. But there is a very strange movement of the flaps. As the device rotates the flaps seem to move up and down but at times seem to disappear temporarily during the up/down/rotation. I've tried looking at slow motion. You can download the YouTube video with this link then use a video editor (like Kino or something else) to examine each frame.
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #2 on Jul 5, 2007, 12:02am »
Looking at this video frame by frame is fascinating.
Another alternative theory of UFO movement is that it does not traverse linearly, It jumps from one place to another in quantum leaps. This snapshot of the multiple lights on the extended fin means that the fin appears in more than one spot throughout the video frame time.
The lights on the ring are about the same spacing as the multiple images of the fin.
Could it be that the craft quickly jumps in rotated position at the distance of the lights around the ring?
The recent "drone" witness from the Alabama security guard explained the movement as the fin appearing in two places at once while it rotated. Other "drone" witnesses described jerky dragonfly or water bug type movement.
Can anyone point me to a place where this video has already been debunked?
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #3 on Jul 5, 2007, 11:41am »
I'll probably get linched for this... but that 'pulsing' is caused by motion blur in CG when the number of passes is on a low setting. i.e. It will render the shot 5 times, and place the images together to create the blur. If the number of passes was at 9.. it would be harder to see, and at 17 you probably would have seen a straight blur like the other bit in the still. See the image below...
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #4 on Jul 5, 2007, 11:45am »
p.s. The reason why it was probably done with a low pass, is that the more passes you do, the longer it takes to render. They probably thought no one would notice!
I'll also just add that I have seen that video, and it does seem very false... but quite well done non the less.
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #9 on Jul 6, 2007, 4:16am »
Here is an old video blowup i did when investigating this sighting. I found that the original was heavily interlaced. This larger upsized version has been deinterlaced (hopefully correctly).
P.S. The original modified versions can be found by downloading them. The link is to the right of the video screen. (Glad to have your input on this sighting by the way.)
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #10 on Jul 6, 2007, 11:08am »
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http://www.divshare.com/download/628669-dd8
Here is an old video blowup i did when investigating this sighting. I found that the original was heavily interlaced. This larger upsized version has been deinterlaced (hopefully correctly).
P.S. The original modified versions can be found by downloading them. The link is to the right of the video screen. (Glad to have your input on this sighting by the way.)
Thanks, it looks like the entire movie was filmed off a projection screen (notice the smooth black borders at the top and bottom).
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #11 on Jul 6, 2007, 2:51pm »
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In my continued random searching that night, I also came across the "The Italian Air Force UFO" video, apparently first appearing in 1995.
Yeah? In the article, the date '2002 - 2006' is mentioned. It's not clear to me, though, what this is referring to.
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But new to me, several days ago. It shows a disk shaped craft that crosses from right to left, stops in mid-flight, hovers for a few moments while the craft rotates clockwise and then it continues left and disappears over the horizon in what appears to be a high speed acceleration.
What caught my eye was the fact that, as it rotated, it looked like there were flaps of some sort, moving up and down, on the outside diameter of the craft. As if it were an essential part of its ability to hover and rotate. My initial response was that the "Italian Air Force UFO" and the "Disk" displayed on the floor, appear to be identical in construction. Without any expertise in this area, I disagreeumption would be that this configuration can possibly be fabricated in any size required. If you go back and forth from the video to the photo, the "flaps" are clearly evident, in both examples. I know this is pure conjecture and a loose observation, but it's hard to dismiss the striking similarities. Especially since both of these items were apparently constructed to fly. I mentioned above that the "Italian" video is from 1995. There is another claim that someone photographed a "Drone" back in 1995 as well. Connection? Just FYI.....
Imho, especially this article raises various questions.
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"According to Paola Harris the original videographer remains unknown and the object seems to be terrestial in origin, more properly some kind of military prototype remote controlled. The feature in which the disc dissapears at the end raises questions for the italian researchers and Paola thinks the military may be involved."
What I find particularly interesting is the repeated (in the case of the 'drones' as well) mentioning this could be earthy craft. The question would be: by whom?
Yesterday, I posted a thought that came to my mind, that those craft could possibly originate in the future. Maybe a bit far fetched--maybe not. Anyway, I find this possiblity fascinating (and a bit scary).
Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #12 on Jul 11, 2007, 6:25pm »
Hi all,
I'm actually not sure if this is indeed related to the drones, but anyway. I found the report at ufoinfo.com under "2007 Humanoid Sighting Reports" compiled by Albert Rosales:
Location. Oregon, exact location not given Date: June 6 2007 Time: afternoon
The witness claims he was walking on a back trail with his dog when he saw six to ten ‘ships’ fly low overhead. Three of them were inverted ‘Y’ from the back and front. Those ships landed on a clearing while three more flew overhead. These three were black with a blue outline on the hexagon wings. From the front view they looked like an ‘H’ with a ball in the center. The ones that landed where white with white blinking lights, such as an aircraft on earth and a constant blue light on the back, their two wings were folded up on the bottom, making a ‘W’ shape. As they landed they emitted a deep moaning and whining sound like a jet engine. When that happened, 6 ramps, two per ship opened up and then several human-like creatures came out. They wore white with black joint areas, one took off his helmet and he looked very human, he also carried what appeared to be some type of black automatic weapon. There were dozens of ‘aliens’ some were talking and some were unloading boxes. They spoke English, and seemed to be military but not ‘ours’. The witness got a glance inside the only window on the ship closest to him and inside he saw a human wearing a space suit like those of an astronaut and a black helmet. Soon the ships departed and the witness left.
HC addendum Source: http://mufoncms.com Type: B Comments: Black Ops aircraft??
What caught my attention was the mentioning of the craft as being "inverted ‘Y’ from the back and front".
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Re: Similarities of "The Drones" to other sighting « Reply #14 on Jul 11, 2007, 9:51pm »
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They spoke English, and seemed to be military but not ‘ours’.
I just can't help it, but I think this confirms my hypothesis that at least part of those craft originate somewhere in the (earthly) future. Also with the 'drone' sightings, there are--besides the strange look--a number of similarities, like this "familiarity", the wings/blades/arms, the writing and the similarities in the layout of those symbols with the writing on military aircraft, the "clarity" in their appearance (no "fuzzy" pictures, but crystal-clear).
Call it "intuition"--the longer this goes on, the more I am convinced that this isn't just some hoax (or 'viral marketing campaign'); imho there's much more to it--whatever it is.
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