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New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by redman042 on Nov 16, 2007, 4:09pm

Check this:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/16/alien....m-gtx-on-monda/

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 16, 2007, 5:14pm

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Check this:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/16/alien....m-gtx-on-monda/

It seems they've taken the next step. There's no turning back now. Alienware is committed to using any and all of the Drone-Lap for it's marketing purposes. Good for them. Eventually the public will begin clamoring for answers. Any speculation where this will go? Next they will likely be putting images of Raj drones on things. This may end up being viral marketing after the fact. Smart move on their part.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 16, 2007, 5:31pm

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This may end up being viral marketing after the fact. Smart move on their part.

They have the alien symbols embossed on their new laptops. Dell is not going to take info off the internet and use it on their merchandise unless it has belonged to them the whole time.

The drones surfaced this spring. Am I to believe that Dell (Alienware) were so impressed with the drone symbols that they created a new laptop just so they could use the symbols? And it went through development and research that fast. That dies were cut and created to make the embossed symbols on the new laptop. That they made sure that no one owned a copyright to the lap and symbols. All after the fact. I'm sorry but for lack of a better word....Paaaaalease! Viral marketing all along, yes, but not after the fact!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by redman042 on Nov 16, 2007, 5:34pm

Maybe... It recently occurred to me that this could be a new form of viral marketing, where they don't ever admit to being the source, but they create a UFO story with neat symbols and the story spreads like wildfire through the UFO community. Then the community starts coming up with t-shirts and desktop wallpapers and such with the characters on them, because they like how the characters look, and then... "oh wow, now I can buy a hot new laptop with those characters on it... let me rush out and buy one of those". So Alienware never claims to be the source of the hoax - that would just tick us all off and they know it - but they will start putting the images on their stuff which we will want to buy just to be cool.

I don't necessarily believe this, but it's a possibility for sure.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 16, 2007, 5:38pm

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Am I to believe that Dell (Alienware) were so impressed with the drone symbols that they created a new laptop just so they could use the symbols? And it went through development and research that fast. That dies were cut and created to make the embossed symbols on the new laptop. That they made sure that no one owned a copyright to the lap and symbols. All after the fact.

Yep! Believe it. They already said so. Six months is nothing for a company that has to stay on the cutting edge to stay afloat.

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AW did not design the laptop for the LAP (hey I just realised a new marketing scheme for them, the LAP-top! 8-)

). They simply applied the symbols to what they had. That can be done from start to finish in a few weeks. I work for a similar outfit.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 16, 2007, 5:42pm

lets not forget that the game developers and artists work hand in hand with the manufacturers to exploit the dx10 cpu power etc to determine how much can go into a game. If you examine alienwares video for their machine and the game Crysis you will see what I mean. Thus that would explain any involvement of syd meade or associates in this affair from the beginning..and as a viral it would in this case be polymorphic to accommodate everyone dell, alienware, and someone like EA being able to dip in and take from the well at will..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 16, 2007, 6:02pm

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Yep! Believe it. They already said so. Six months is nothing for a company that has to stay on the cutting edge to stay afloat.

NEWSFLASH: Dell (alienware) is using the exact same symbols from the drones on their new laptops.

Witnesses are silenced but Dell can use alien symbols without fear?

Dell has successfully ran a viral marketing campaign that fooled alot of people. But the secret is to now not admit to it. The people they fooled will be the ones buying the laptops lol!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by banzai on Nov 16, 2007, 6:12pm

Hi ________,

Thank you for your email. It’s great to hear that our promotion has reach out to you and your Forum group regarding the CARET document. Alienware did NOT create the information regarding this phenomena or the CARAT linguistics. This is NOT an intellectual property of Alienware. The information has anonymously spread throughout the web for some time. We have taken the CARAT linguistics and have applied this as a marketing tool to draw attention to our promotion.

Regards,

Director of PR Communications

Alienware Corporation

Tel: 305-xxx-xxxx

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 16, 2007, 6:13pm

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Witnesses are silenced but Dell can use alien symbols without fear?

There is much to consider in this statement. Remember a few posts back I asked for speculation as to where this AW thing will lead? The Agency may be allowing this to happen (possibly even orchestrating it). It may end up being very bad for the drone case. The case may end up being swallowed entirely by viral marketing. It may not matter if it is before or after the fact.
Viral marketing or Disinfo campaign?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 16, 2007, 6:25pm

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Hi ________,

Thank you for your email. It’s great to hear that our promotion has reach out to you and your Forum group regarding the CARET document. Alienware did NOT create the information regarding this phenomena or the CARAT linguistics. This is NOT an intellectual property of Alienware. The information has anonymously spread throughout the web for some time. We have taken the CARAT linguistics and have applied this as a marketing tool to draw attention to our promotion.

Regards,

Director of PR Communications

Alienware Corporation

Tel: 305-xxx-xxxx

Perhaps the marketing company they hired created it! And retains rights to it! We don't expect them to admit to viral marketing that easily.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ninken on Nov 16, 2007, 6:28pm

Support your local drone, buy the Alienware Area-51 m15x!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by calikid on Nov 16, 2007, 7:41pm

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Check this:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/16/alien....m-gtx-on-monda/

Has anyone used Alienware's "substitution code" to see if some of the original photos spell anything cohert out? Like

"EAT AT JOE'S"

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 16, 2007, 7:52pm

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Perhaps the marketing company they hired created it! And retains rights to it! We don't expect them to admit to viral marketing that easily.

Of course they wouldnt admit it!! That would ruin the intrigue.......of course some die hard believers will still believe a company like dell is going to steal this stuff and use it...not a chance!! Would be bad for business.....not to mention they could simply have their staff put together a totally unique alien language to use and not worry about being sued.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 16, 2007, 7:54pm

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Has anyone used Alienware's "substitution code" to see if some of the original photos spell anything cohert out? Like

"EAT AT JOES"

I have not personally done this but others have and have reported that nothing comes from it but unrelated character strings.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ivo5000 on Nov 16, 2007, 7:57pm

To suggest that the LAP language primer is a viral marketing scheme by a small subsidiary of Dell is akin to claiming that all classic oval-shaped UFOs are marketing ploys by Whamm-O for their Frisbee.

And if there was a marketing effort behind putting this out there by the company hired by Alienware to do their pre-distribution marketing, then this company has done a horrible job. The websites who carried any mention of this at all are small in the grand scheme of things. Trust me, this would have made the news and advertising would have been deployed to promote the launch.

You can't just conveniently ignore the statement received from Alienware regarding the fact that they copied it. That is a definitive statement. Marketing companies do not own the logos, trademarks, symbols, phrasing or any other tools used to define the product - the company producing the product does.

As to the quick turnaround time, no it is not that unusual for there to be this kind of time frame involved (six months). I have a friend and colleague who used to work for Dell and they frequently tried to go for even shorter time frames because of their desire to be sure that the marketing materials were fresh and relevant.

Also, the name chosen for the product, Area 51, has nothing to do with the LAP, Isaac, drones, Capitola, Lake Tahoe or anything else we have seen involved with the entire drone affair so far.

Now, this is of course just all IMHO, and does not mean that there couldn't be some other worldly source for all of the drone material, but this Alienware connection does not exist and is a dead end.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by dragonfire on Nov 16, 2007, 8:08pm

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Without coming right out and saying it, I will, This may be BAD for the drone case. Now everyone will associate with Dell/Alienwre :-/

As Jed did

But hey, doesn't mean it's over yet ::)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 16, 2007, 8:10pm

Reminds me to this one:

"Intel hopes to use the alien technology to build a revolutionary
processor that will forever change computing, code-named "Mutant".
Just as no two people ever had identical Cabbage Patch Dolls (tm),
no two people will ever have identical Mutant processors after
using them, because the processor will adapt itself to the needs
of the user. Similar to how nature molds a lion into a perfect
top predator after millions of years of evolution on the African
savannah, the organic substance in the processor will begin
to gradually evolve on-the-fly into a more advanced processor
that is optimally suited to the applications the user is running.
For example, if a Mutant system was first used for parallel
integer
computations, its cells will begin cloning into multiple integer
processors.
Then if the Mutant system is used only for sequential
floating-point
computations, the old cells of the no longer needed clones will
die
and be recycled into a single pipelined floating-point processor."

Of course, a decade ago, and now we all have these alien cpu's in our computers. http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/jun/a09-002.shtml

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 16, 2007, 8:20pm

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not to mention they could simply have their staff put together a totally unique alien language to use and not worry about being sued.

We've been down that discussion before and concluded that AW was safe from any legal action. AW knows this too. I'm sure the first thing they did was to have their lawyers check it out.

But you do bring up a good question. Why didn't AW simply create their own LAP? I've said it before, AW believes the LAP to be legit!

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Post by theshadow on Nov 16, 2007, 8:42pm

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We've been down that discussion before and concluded that AW was safe from any legal action. AW knows this too. I'm sure the first thing they did was to have their lawyers check it out.

But you do bring up a good question. Why didn't AW simply create their own LAP? I've said it before, AW believes the LAP to be legit!

You may have decided that, I never did!!!

Perhaps AW did create their own LAP and it is what we see on the drones they also created!! Im telling you there is NO WAY they are gonna use this unless they have permission......not a chance!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by admin on Nov 16, 2007, 9:09pm

I disagree - they CAN use it if they want - there has been absolutely NO copyright assertion.

The original 'publisher' clearly indicate that they are NOT the owners - the graphics are claimed by the original publisher as 'alien'. They have NO case for copyright, they disclaimed it by defaut!! 8-)

If it has been 'leaked' from within USG or private enterprise (Xerox) - again, the linguistics would be 'alien' and not under terrestrial copyright law.

Should the 'Aliens' want to enforce their own 'off-world' copyright - well, I am sure they have FAR more leverage than terrestrial lawyers!

.. they have remained quiet so far though.

We have CARET T-shirts for sale! PLEASE, PLEASE enforce copyright if you own the linguistics!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by banzai on Nov 16, 2007, 9:25pm

If Alienware owned the trademark they would have told me. Legally they would have to or run the risk that they would willingly allow anyone to copy the characters and use them in there own promotion.

I contacted them as someone who works in creative and marketing. There is no way in hell they would not tell me immediately that this was there intellectual property. I work at a major Hollywood studio, if they had the rights they would tell me.

Seriously, this angle is done. Officially, completely. If you want to go down this path despite official proof then you are on a fools errand and want to believe more than you want to look at concrete evidence. Have fun with your fantasy but what's the point of looking for absolute proof if your not going to heed it?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 16, 2007, 9:34pm

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If Alienware owned the trademark they would have told me. Legally they would have to or run the risk that they would willingly allow anyone to copy the characters and use them in there own promotion.

I contacted them as someone who works in creative and marketing. There is no way in hell they would not tell me immediately that this was there intellectual property. I work at a major Hollywood studio, if they had the rights they would tell me.

Seriously, this angle is done. Officially, completely. If you want to go down this path despite official proof then you are on a fools errand and want to believe more than you want to look at concrete evidence. Have fun with your fantasy but what's the point of looking for absolute proof if your not going to heed it?

Why would they be required to tell you anything? They could have just ignored you. To tell you it is not their intellectual property is in accordance with running a viral campaign. I seriously doubt they would let the cat out of the bag just to satisfy your question.

What I want to know is if the lap tops now float in mid-air!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by elevenaugust on Nov 16, 2007, 9:45pm

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To tell you it is not their intellectual property is in accordance with running a viral campaign.

if it were their intellectual property, they would have engaged legal proceedings against me for plagiarism

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by frootloop on Nov 16, 2007, 9:51pm

It will be interesting to see if someone else claims IP for the symbols quite visibly used on the laptop. If this doesnt occur, then it could mean that the drone case is real OR Alienware is truely the perpetuator of a viral marketing campaign OR the true creator of this story doesnt want to blow their cover and expose the hoax.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 16, 2007, 9:58pm

hahaha Eleven! that is true..in american and anglo jurisprudence possession is 9/10 the law until a rightful owner comes along..and usually he has to mitigate his damages not just come and say all 100 percent our fault..In this case he they knowingly threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wow reader that was a great synops on that cpu...!!! thank you
I love stuff like that.

.Eleven have you come out withe disTances in the photos yet..I was looking foward to that..I am always in awe how you do that..and looking foward to results

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by redman042 on Nov 16, 2007, 10:08pm

The funny thing about all this is... I sorta want one of those new laptops. They look really cool!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by elevenaugust on Nov 16, 2007, 10:18pm

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.Eleven have you come out withe disTances in the photos yet..I was looking foward to that..I am always in awe how you do that..and looking foward to results

Not yet; theoretically, that should be possible, but in order to do that, I must manage to determine the distance separating the site from the camera at the time of the first photograph on his site at the time of the second photograph (Stephen slightly moved between the catches of sights, as the difference in alignment between the foreground and the background shows it).

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by banzai on Nov 16, 2007, 10:33pm

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They would have to tell me because as an entity that deals with intellectual property to another if they did not then there creative work, presumably done under an alienware budget would have been open to another creative entity to use the work.

There are corporate and legal precedents here. It's not a matter of just viral marketing, it;s a matter of copywrite law.

When asked point blank they told me they are operating on what they are running with as public domain. If it was not they would have to disclose. It wouldn't be alienwares call. There are many parties involve including but not limited to there marketing, sales and corporate offices but also the creative vendor they would have had tououtsource this project too.

Marketing campaigns are not just hatched out of a back room with a guy and a copy of photoshop. This is a very complicated corproate undertaking and it has rules of accountability.

If this was their property and she didn't tell me she would loose her job because that means the company I work for could then go into production using these characters. Then there would be a legal dispute later down the road as to why were were allowed to use something that was creatively in the assets of another company. they would sue us, we would sue them and lots of lawyers would be making a lot of phone calls.

This is why I took the effort that I did in order to get a official answer from an accountable executive. I speak corporate and I know creative and marketing. This is what I do.

You don' t have to trust me, do your won work and find the contact and she will tell you the exact same thing. But I'm saving you a lot of work here and trying to put your mind at ease... this is not an alienware creation.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 17, 2007, 12:53am

I'm not sure about alienware's role here, but it surely would be a good marketing strategy, if everybody started to use the symbols now.

It is like a secret language for those, who know alienware's interpretation. Parents won't understand, what is written on the pencilcase and friends will ask: What does this mean?

Origin or not, but with their "alphabet" they started to make alien language usable, understandable and now it is written on their new laps.

Everybody who steals it helps spread the news. No need for lawyers. Jesus never would say: Hey, I only had send twelve guys!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 17, 2007, 1:38am

what I will do is make up a certified affidavit saying I am the inventor of everything..I take full responsibility..I go down to library and let my Librarian friend notarize it..then I put on net..then I say you all can have it for free! make money, make wall paper, make mobiles in kiddy rooms..its all ok with me..just dont bother me with questions!..dont bother my girlfriends jenna and Linda..I like Jenna she prettier. you do what you want with Linda..I dont care..
I will sacrifice my self for you..yes I sys will do like Isaac and jesus..sacrifice all for you..
The Caret will be my crown of thorns..
and two of you can do like the roman soldiers and gamble for the diagrams..its beautiful..Reader..you can play the one who cut off the ear of one person, but who will play Judas? I started doing this living metaphor at AT its coming together..I need a Judas to make this work!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 17, 2007, 2:09am

Haha! Wasn't Judas the one, who said first: Yes, it is fake! And then suddenly turned around 180° and began to publish his own testament?

For myself, I don't think cutting off ears is one of my talents. If I cannot play the reader, maybe I could be a writer.

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Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 3:16am

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Banzi is right, Alienware said they were using a public domain image which is true. What Alienware has done with it is copyrightable and they must defend this copyright. No games here.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 17, 2007, 3:35am

Its like trying to hope that someone claims copyright so that you can see who did it..that is grasping at straws by this time ,on an uncertainty based on an uncertainty. Ok Reader..no machetes!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by calikid on Nov 17, 2007, 3:46am

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banzi said:
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This is why I took the effort that I did in order to get a official answer from an accountable executive. I speak corporate and I know creative and marketing. This is what I do.

You don' t have to trust me, do your won work and find the contact and she will tell you the exact same thing. But I'm saving you a lot of work here and trying to put your mind at ease... this is not an alienware creation.

Of course your right.
Valuable info.
Thank you for your efforts.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by elevenaugust on Nov 17, 2007, 8:44am

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NEWSFLASH: Dell (alienware) is using the exact same symbols from the drones on their new laptops.

Sorry for the late reply, but I disagree.
If you looking closely to their font, there are lots of differences.
That's what I have done, and i can tell you it's a very bad copy...
Therefore, it seems to me that they only use the idea of the "drone font" to promote their marketing production.....

Case closed for me
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PS: I really can't believe any more on a viral marketing campain...

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 17, 2007, 2:39pm

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NEWSFLASH: Dell (alienware) is using the exact same symbols from the drones on their new laptops.

Exact same. What are the differences? I see none!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 17, 2007, 2:56pm

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If this was their property and she didn't tell me she would loose her job because that means the company I work for could then go into production using these characters. Then there would be a legal dispute later down the road as to why were were allowed to use something that was creatively in the assets of another company.

You sound like you know what you are talking about but even I as a layman see a flaw here with your logic.

First of all, your company would be required to hire patent and copyright attorneys to do a complete and exhaustive search to make sure that the characters were public domain. That is how you avoid lawsuits. Not by taking the word of a single person through an email that might not even know the answer to the question you asked. A legal search like that can take up to 6 months. Your company is not going to take the word of somebody via email to decide on whether or not to use the characters. You would have to make sure they did not belong to anybody else, not just Alien ware. I doubt she would lose her job for telling you deliberately wrong info. She would be protecting a viral marketing campaign and she would realize that any company with common sense would do a complete search via lawyers anyway. My next door neighbor is a patent attorney. Searches on something like the Alien glyphs or any other stuff on the public domain can take six months to execute. So no, the response to your inquiry is not something cast in stone. Unless I'm being fed wrong info from my neighbor!

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Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 3:28pm

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Patent law is completely different from copyright law. People always confuse the two. I am surprised that your neighbor would give you advice like that. She/he would know that something released into the public domain as the LAP has been would not require much more than an exercise of investigation before determining its status.

But don't ask me.. I've just been there and back in copyright issues and have experience with it.. something this lawyer friend of yours obviously has not. Did she/he mention how you search for something that is in the public domain as much as this is???

Believe me patent law has nothing, nadda, nothing, to do with copyright law. Trademark law and enforcement, as similiar as it is, is still a completly different ballgame as well when it comes to the law and established precidents.

I am sure that the lawyers representing Alienware have given this a go ahead status for being in the public domain. It is in the public domain. Have you ever read up on what makes something be in the public domain? That will clear your questions up quite fast.

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Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 3:49pm

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I am sure that the lawyers representing Alienware have given this a go ahead status for being in the public domain. It is in the public domain. Have you ever read up on what makes something be in the public domain? That will clear your questions up quite fast.

Also, it's important to know that you can take a copyrighted image and change it and not violate someone's copyright. So even if the complete LAP, as Isaac provided, is used to create a similar image for Alienware, they are not copying they are using the design to create new and different material with.

So on both fronts Alienware is covered. They took something in public domain and used it to create something new in a design and promotion format. There is no violation here even if you stretch your pockets with lawyers..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by admin on Nov 17, 2007, 4:35pm

Good luck to alienware I say!! If it pushes the issue, all well and good!

Never did think they were the initiators, anymore than - 'Transformers', 'Halo3', 'CARET Burger Inc' etc, etc. It doesn't have anything remotely viral about it IMO.

If it's a hoax, I say to the hoaxer, go and sue Alienware! LOL!

Oh, and of course, we have CARET T-Shirts on sale here - come and enforce your copyright Mr Archquiloid!! PLEASE!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by peejaybee on Nov 17, 2007, 4:48pm

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She/he would know that something released into the public domain as the LAP has been

You cannot know that it has actually been released in the public domain. We haven't heard from anybody who claims authorship, or who claims to own the rights. Only such a person., with a valid claim of ownership, can actually release a creation into the public domain.

Also, maybe UK copyright law is different, but you cannot just take a copyrighted work and modify it. Those are known as derivative works, and are typically a right reserved to the original copyright holder.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 5:36pm

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She/he would know that something released into the public domain as the LAP has been

Well I am not quoteing UK copyright law but USA copyright law and everything you said above unfortunately is incorrect. Sorry, I have to tell it like I know. Having the experience of going through a very tough copyright lawsuit that involved 13 companies in 4 countries I'm pretty familiar with what I'm talking about. The Berne Convention ties the various laws within each to a stanadard and it is THAT unified standard I speak of as well as US copyright law.

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Post by peejaybee on Nov 17, 2007, 7:32pm

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I'm afraid that US Code Title 17, 106 disagrees with you on derivative works:

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Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:
(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;
(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;
(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;
(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and
(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

Only the owner of copyright may waive these rights, including putting a work in the public domain.

Granted, I'm not a lawyer, but neither are you, so unless you can explain how the plain text of the copyright law of the US does not contradict what you say, I must assume you are mistaken.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 9:13pm

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I'm afraid that US Code Title 17, 106 disagrees with you on derivative works:

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If I could explain all the law regarding "derivative works" to you I would have to be a very good copyright lawyer.

This is a core area of copyright law and there are many aspects that apply to derivative works that make it copyrightable without infringing on the original. Likewise there are many aspects that apply to derivative works that make it a violation of the originals copyright. Just because you call something a "derivative work" does not imply that it falls one way or another.

Also you should study what makes something come into public domain. You are wrong if you think it is only because the original author gives permission. You are very wrong.

Look up how complicated and detailed these aspects are. Look up what needs to be done in certain ways and in certain time periods to defend a copyright violation issue. Look up how to tell if a deriviative work is a copyright violation or if it "fair use". In fact, look up "fair use". I didn't spend 6 years in a legal battle and come away prevailing and knowing nothing about the subject. I probably know more about the keener aspects of copyright law than most general practice lawyers.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 17, 2007, 10:08pm

I love this arguing over British and UK jurisprudence peoples rights who are noT even here...I defend your right to say something..even if I disagree with you and you are not there to disagree with me..or ..to say its yours. If Isaac is not enforcing it why should you..its not yours..at this point its fair use..leave it that. I dont see fan manufactures suing or the the sigil symbol peoples, or as Reader said the 12 disciples heirs suing the vatican.for heavens sake unless you are attorneys defacto in this area,.I would simply leave that alone because a lawsuit does not make one an attorney, and a client who hires himself as his own lawyer is a fool..so..let it go..and you are still inclined can easily go to patent office as well as copyright and do searches..online..I would continue to pursue the other avenues..unless you just want to see alienware and others continue do a dance around you. If Isaac has no come out and protested..again why should we., and he did say if someone else did sell ..it would not be him..
or he would like to know..as it wasnt him. (and quite possibly not his either) so by now he knows..we all know..what does that tell you? Its certainly not that he is broke..not with what it took to make diagrams and model

and hired help to spread the word..and hired help to nurture the story ,by the way is someone making coffee?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 17, 2007, 10:35pm

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I love this arguing over British and UK jurisprudence peoples rights who are noT even here...I defend your right to say something..even if I disagree with you and you are not there to disagree with me..or ..to say its yours. If Isaac is not enforcing it why should you..its not yours..at this point its fair use..leave it that. I dont see fan manufactures suing or the the sigil symbol peoples, or as Reader said the 12 disciples heirs suing the vatican.for heavens sake unless you are attorneys defacto in this area,.I would simply leave that alone because a lawsuit does not make one an attorney, and a client who hires himself as his own lawyer is a fool..so..let it go..and you are still inclined can easily go to patent office as well as copyright and do searches..online..I would continue to pursue the other avenues..unless you just want to see alienware and others continue do a dance around you. If Isaac has no come out and protested..again why should we., and he did say if someone else did sell ..it would not be him..
or he would like to know..as it wasnt him. (and quite possibly not his either) so by now he knows..we all know..what does that tell you? Its certainly not that he is broke..not with what it took to make diagrams and model

and hired help to spread the word..and hired help to nurture the story ,by the way is someone making coffee?

Exactly what you said here is the reason this material is public domain. Every fact you have stated here would provide defense to it being in public domain. No lawyer would touch this case if somebody came out claiming original copyright on the LAP.

And why do you assume I didn't have a lawyer on my case?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 17, 2007, 11:09pm

This sentence of Isaac - if someone sells it, it won't be him - is very interesting at last.

So he expected someone would do this?

This is a melting peace of ice and I am lucky that I can swim. Also, I'd rather sell the Cola-Barcardi around it.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 17, 2007, 11:21pm

Thank you reader..Im going to the other thread and let the lawyers take care of the rest here.perhaps Isaac will come by in an ambulance and we can let Tomis legal team chase that rathaer than chase reason.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 18, 2007, 3:34am

No one, absolutely no one, will lay claim to either the Drone pics, configurations, Isaac information or diagrams. Do with it what you will. We will watch and wait. 2023 comes.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 18, 2007, 12:55pm

2023? Couldn't they speed up a little? I am a little bored already.

:-/

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 18, 2007, 7:53pm

Oh, lordy, the flames they will be a shooting and de devil will be-dancing. C B Demille and Sevie Spielberg will be rollen. The crust will be meltin and the hurricanes a flyin and we are a lien cause you will not see the change. You confuse us with entertainers, we are Demons and what we want is best taken quietly and with your permission as we have always done. This time we will have the aid of your "own" science as it scurries along on its way to nirvana with you and yours en-tow. You see we really are villains of an extraordinary bent. Get used to it and you will, it said as it continued to climb the darkened wall.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 18, 2007, 9:04pm

I may not say, what you are, because the filters change it anyway.
But I think I don't need to, because you know it by yourself.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 18, 2007, 10:17pm

Are there no adults here? We have consistently said that negativity feeds us whether insults or anything else. We perfectly fit the human definition of Demons and therefore say true. We have learned on this site and abide by that learning. We have enemies here and that is good, because to your being we are villains, understand. As we said before a good villain is a good thing to have around, it brings in the posters. Our messages are simple, times they are a changing. You new that, but did not want confirmation of it. Another, the Earth is to special and magical a place for its present controlling species to be left in charge. The agenda is for you to, at least, create your own replacements and at first welcome them. Of course we know what we are and what you are too. They can let the filters down, it will only feed us as you know. Since time is not linear with us we have and will always be with you, other than that child have a good day.
Be seeing you in time (a clue)
IC of 2023
P.S. We will not banter back and forth, just too stupid and a waste of the topic.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by murnut on Nov 18, 2007, 11:10pm

I love a good villian.

Cant wait for more from you.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by dragonfire on Nov 18, 2007, 11:26pm

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P.S. We will not banter back and forth, just too stupid and a waste of the topic.

Yet you seem to consistently continue :-/

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 19, 2007, 12:22am

If a company uses the Isaac or Drone info why does it matter since the consensus is it is all a hoax. Has that change again? Why drag um on the fire. Let all play the game, the myth can only grow. When you drag um on the fire, you probably will get burned. Compre?

IC, part of our charm to continue and obey rules.

We won't say a word!!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 19, 2007, 12:45am

Lev, it is still boring...

Don't you have something better?

I only told it to one member yet, but you must know, that you could vanish away, if it should be a...

Boojumm.

Sorry, maybe I should have told you before!

You are afraid of children? So why are you so childish? Come on, Nicodemus, Kick-a-boo!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 19, 2007, 2:21pm

Holy Shinubi brakes ..Reader are you sure..is this the young Lev or the older lev..peter or Jeff..or perhaps Todd or H2O at JOOM LA, am so confused with 666 versions one might faint....I must hit the dusty trails again..message me when you return..we must discuss this..:) 2021 is getting nearer! We cannot let this cross over into a pending Inquiry before we complete the task at hand..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by dragonfire on Nov 19, 2007, 2:38pm

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Holy Shinubi brakes ..Reader are you sure..is this the young Lev or the older lev..peter or Jeff..I am so confused with 666 versions one might faint....I must hit the dusty trails again..message me when you return..we must discuss this..:) 2021 is getting nearer!

Not sure which institution "nic" is writing from, but the multiple personalities are rather confusing at times. ::)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by murnut on Nov 19, 2007, 4:36pm

http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/caret-drones-finally-marketing/

Thought you all might be interested in this

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 19, 2007, 4:52pm

Nice article here!

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/?p=1811

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by frootloop on Nov 19, 2007, 5:09pm

Im still not convinced that AW actually invented this right from the beginning.... it really didnt have the scope that you would expect from a marketing campaign. I really think that they just latched-on to the information contained within the Isaac material and used a variant of it for their short lived campaign during November 2007.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 19, 2007, 5:11pm

They missed the connection of CARAT to the the viral people CARAT and Carat Fusion..I had to add that as reinforcement..Thanx Mur..I feel things warming up again!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by banzai on Nov 19, 2007, 7:47pm

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No offense, but as a layperson you can find whatever flaw you like form a perspective that doens't operate in the buisness of creative property or marketing.

You are assuming there is exhaustive legal process that goes into clearance and if I wasn't in the business what you are assuming seems reasonable but the fact is that legal process is only invoked in cases where there is cause to escalate. In this case I have taken the first step in the process which staves off the need to escalate.

The PR executive has told me that this is not there intellectual property. If it was and she spoke out of turn there would be dire repercussions for her. There is protocol for responding to someone asking about intellectual property.

Look, I'm not above the idea that a person or a group of motivated people manufactured this primer as an elaborate hoax and left it to the public domain to have a laugh, but think that this is from a corporate entity would have spent at bare minimum $15k for this work and then turn it over to the public domain is absolutely ridiculous. Coupled with the fact that the corporate spokesperson has denied the intellectual property when asked point blank by another industry professional is beyond air tight for me.

I know how this stuff works and I'm sorry but you don't have the experience so as a layperson you can fantasies at great lengths how you think it might work. But without seeing the process day in and day out and all the pitfalls and negotiations from budget meetings to to picking a creative vendor and the rounds of approval and clearance that happen I have a very high degree of confidence in what I'm telling you.

If you want to argue as an armchair philosopher go right ahead but you are making this discussion more about theoretical positions than factual experience. If you want to go down that road then we can talk about the likelihood of how Alienware is actually a government agency who developed a product line just to spit out disinformation.

Ridiculous? Yes! But theoretically possible form a positions form someone who has no idea how black ops. government agents do their work.

Sorry to be verbose on this issue but what you are suggesting is quite frankly silly to me. If you are in LA drop me a line and we can have lunch on the studio lot I work on and we can go over the finer points of this as I walk you through the creative and marketing departments. Heck, I can even introduce you to the VP's if that will help you out.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by jeddyhi on Nov 19, 2007, 8:17pm

I'm not in the habit of fantasizing anything. You honestly believe that a company would admit to a viral campaign just because you ask them so? Who is in fantasy land? It is quite impossible that Dell (Alienware) would open themselves up to lawsuits by using something they don't have the intellectual rights to. Think man, think! I suppose that Alienware doesn't own the intellectual rights to the logo their company uses either. After all, its a Grey. Who owns the Greys??

As impressive as you made your previous post out to be, I wasn't impressed. So I will turn down your lunch invite with the stars lol!

But thank you for asking and thanks for the info you have provided.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by banzai on Nov 19, 2007, 8:28pm

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You honestly believe that a company would admit to a viral campaign just because you ask them so?

Yes, I do. Legally.

The only way, in my mind, that this has roots in a viral campaign is if the ad agency who got the contract for this promotion planted the source in the public domain so that they could reap the benefit with Alineware but that would be an amazing gamble and a grossly inefficient way to secure a creative contract. Possible but highly unlikely. After all, the version of the primer that Alienware used was symmetrical and didn't have curved earmarks of the original source so the creative vendor would have to work backwards... all in order to sell a package back to Alienware to hock a few laptops?

Fantasy I tells ya.

At any rate, I'm done with this angle. Any more speculation on this aspect will have to be done among those who choose to believe despite the facts.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 19, 2007, 9:21pm

I totally agree with Jed. There is no way a company associated with Dell is gonna take the risk of lawsuit with something they did not create or have created. I also do not think the person you emailed would be under any obligation to admit the viral marketing campaign...you can say they have to...doesnt mean they would! If you were under orders from your boss to not devulge the info.....that would probaby be enough to make you deny it!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ivo5000 on Nov 19, 2007, 9:30pm

Let me turn the tables here on you guys who think that this is a viral marketing campaign.

The standard of proof to which you have subjected the believers should then also apply to your belief that this is a creation from Alienware, right? I mean fair's fair.

So, with that said => prove it.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 19, 2007, 9:35pm

Ivo Alienware already provided the proof when they released their contest!! What are the odds they would risk a lawsuit unless they knew the origin of the material?
The proof is right there!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 19, 2007, 9:36pm

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I'm not in the habit of fantasizing anything. You honestly believe that a company would admit to a viral campaign just because you ask them so? Who is in fantasy land? It is quite impossible that Dell (Alienware) would open themselves up to lawsuits by using something they don't have the intellectual rights to. Think man, think! I suppose that Alienware doesn't own the intellectual rights to the logo their company uses either. After all, its a Grey. Who owns the Greys??

Who owns the LAP? Nobody.

If AW was launching a viral campaign (and this may turn out to be one after the fact) so what? There is nothing illegal about viral marketing. If it was their creation, what is to stop them from admitting it? Nothing.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 19, 2007, 9:39pm

To admit it would ruin the intrigue! We dont know the extent of where this viral marketing campaign is going...this may just be the beginning!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ivo5000 on Nov 19, 2007, 9:42pm

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Ivo Alienware already provided the proof when they released their contest!! What are the odds they would risk a lawsuit unless they knew the origin of the material?
The proof is right there!

Shads,

That is not proof of anything. Proof is having them say that they did it. Which at this point they should have no compunction at all to admit to it. It would be their way of saying "Look how clever I am!"

History is full of examples of themes "borrowed" from others. One of the running jokes in advertising is that there really hasn't been an original idea in years.

try again...

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 19, 2007, 9:52pm

I disagree Ivo, for a company like dell to steal the LAP would be financially totally irresponsible! Does anyone really believe their lawyers wouldnt go ape when they decided to borrow this material without knowing where it originated.......i think this, thus far, is the most logical explanation of all things drone!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 19, 2007, 9:59pm

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I disagree Ivo, for a company like dell to steal the LAP would be financially totally irresponsible! Does anyone really believe their lawyers wouldnt go ape when they decided to borrow this material without knowing where it originated.......i think this, thus far, is the most logical explanation of all things drone!

Tomi has already explained why AW can freely use the lap. Between Bonzai and Tomi this entire AW question has been resolved. Are you so cynical and suspicious that you won't believe anyone?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ivo5000 on Nov 19, 2007, 10:06pm

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And I contend that they had ample time to determine its origin or lack thereof.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 19, 2007, 10:08pm

I too understand copywrite law to a degree......and to be perfectly honest...... i dont buy what they are selling. I dont believe either of them are actual copywrite lawyers..... and both are firm drone believers.

We now have a company called alienware (a division of Dell) using the LAP in an advertising campaign...... I see it as highly unlikely that a company of that magnitude wouldnt just create their own alien language rather than risk a lawsuit. I know the believers arent gonna buy it until alienware admits they are responsible. Which they wont do!

We can argue til the cows come home......you go ahead and believe the drones are alien craft monitoring earthquakes or wildfires or whatever the latest far fetched theory is and I will just sit back and know the truth!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by ivo5000 on Nov 19, 2007, 10:16pm

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I too understand copywrite law to a degree......and to be perfectly honest...... i dont buy what they are selling. I dont believe either of them are actual copywrite lawyers..... and both are firm drone believers.

We now have a company called alienware (a division of Dell) using the LAP in an advertising campaign...... I see it as highly unlikely that a company of that magnitude wouldnt just create their own alien language rather than risk a lawsuit. I know the believers arent gonna buy it until alienware admits they are responsible. Which they wont do!

We can argue til the cows come home......you go ahead and believe the drones are alien craft monitoring earthquakes or wildfires or whatever the latest far fetched theory is and I will just sit back and know the truth!!

Ah, but therein lies the rub. I don't believe that at all. I am a firm fence sitter....even bought myself a nice cushion!

This has nothing to do with copyright...it is trademark. And the symbols are not an exact match. If you believe them to be an exact amtch then it is up to you to prove that they are.

And please don't bring in an attack on personal beliefs, OK? This is a friendly discussion...a debate. I have asked you for proof so please provide it.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by elevenaugust on Nov 19, 2007, 10:36pm

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. And the symbols are not an exact match. If you believe them to be an exact amtch then it is up to you to prove that they are.

Absolutly, as i said it before, i check it and it's irrefutable: THERE'S NOT PERFECT MATCH between the Alienware and the LAP symbols....
plus there are symbols which we are never seen b4.....

Again, it's a pale copy of the LAP, for marketing purpose.....

if not, why wait such a long time before revealing the goal of this operation??
And why not reproduce the exact same symbols??
11

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 19, 2007, 10:46pm

Shads, I never said I was a copyright attny. I spent 6 years in a copyright lawsuit that involved 13 companies, 4 countries and its venue was NY District Court. So, in the course of this time I spent years probably researching aspects of copyright law.

The LAP is in the public domain. There is nothing I can think of that exemplifies as much something in the public domain as the LAP. This is a blatant obvious fact to anyone who knows intellectual property law and the genesis of the LAP since its release from Isaac.

Even if it is a government document, that automatically puts it into the public domain as well.

Geese guys.. stop arguing and look this stuff up on University web sites, not BS artist websites.

I agree the (NEWLY CREATED) Alien lettering is a "Trademark" and needs to be registered right away, and probably has been.

When this marketing gal said this was not "intellectual property" of Alienware, what she meant was the LAP design was not Alienware's intellectual property. Which is true.

Everything Alienware has created from it is Alienwares new (original) creation and is copyrighted.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by turkoman on Nov 20, 2007, 1:27pm

Tomi01uk, if you knew nearly as much about intellectual property law as you are always making out, you would know that you cannot copyright fonts in the USA. This is a well known fact. Thus Alienware can copy the original Caret font without fear of action. Conversely, they can modify it all they want without getting copyright protection.

See, for instance: http://desktoppub.about.com/gi/dynamic/o....g/feature4.html

All that has happened here is that foundries (font producers), always on the lookout for novelty, have started producing Caret or Caret-like fonts and Alienware has chosen to use one.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 21, 2007, 11:44am

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Tomi01uk, if you knew nearly as much about intellectual property law as you are always making out, you would know that you cannot copyright fonts in the USA. This is a well known fact. Thus Alienware can copy the original Caret font without fear of action. Conversely, they can modify it all they want without getting copyright protection.

See, for instance: http://desktoppub.about.com/gi/dynamic/o....g/feature4.html

All that has happened here is that foundries (font producers), always on the lookout for novelty, have started producing Caret or Caret-like fonts and Alienware has chosen to use one.

@Turkoman - What does the copyright issue regarding the design of the LAP being in the public domain have to do with fonts?

Please learn about "trademarks" before you critique what I have said. What you have said is so far off base to the issue, there is little point in explaining more about it to you if you don't even understand the core issue.

Oh, and btw, ask Adobe if fonts are copyrightable..

This may be what you are refering to:

http://www.allcompu.com/typejudg/judge.htm

but it has little relevence in the design aspects of the LAP and symbols used and modified to create a trademark for Alienware.

And as you can see in that case study I pasted a link to, the judge ruled in favour of the unique typefaces of Adobe and others having copyright protection within limits.

Still, this is a totally different matter when it comes to a design derived from the LAP and used in Alienware's marketing program, which is what we are talking about.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 21, 2007, 4:40pm

Hi tomi,

if you believe in Isaac’s tale, than I wounder, how you can say, the material is public domain. He says, he has stolen it from his employers. Nobody may steal other’s works and publish them. I think, there is no difference in the copyright-laws here or there.
It also doesn’t make the work public domain, because the thief said: You may copy it!

The problem is, that if I wanted to claim copyrights on this, I would have trouble to find a lawyer. But never mind, we got Todd Schwartz on our side!
If the judge wouldn’t sentence me for 30 weekends doing social work, because of playing jokes on the court, than he would ask me to proove that this is scientific work on alien artifacts.
Then I probably would have to tell him, that I use to carry the papers around in my trousers usually, but that I wanted to look good infront of the court and this is why I put on new ones…

Another chance would be to claim that this is art-work created by myself. Again I would have to proove this. Also – at least here in Germany – the judge must be of my opinion, that this work is really art. There could be a slide chance, I think. The LAP does look like a pretty good work and even the story could be seen as an exposé…

Then it should not be Isaac, who claims anything. For this really would mean the artist gave it away for free.
But than maybe this is why you say, it is public domain.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 21, 2007, 6:46pm

Not one word of complaint will ever come from the true creators of either the Drones or Issac material as to ownership. The material is free and clear period. Now you need to consider how we can say that and how we can back it up. Remember your belief or approval mean zero to us.
IC
10 STAR VILLAINS

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 21, 2007, 7:16pm

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Hi tomi,

if you believe in Isaac’s tale, than I wounder, how you can say, the material is public domain. He says, he has stolen it from his employers. Nobody may steal other’s works and publish them. I think, there is no difference in the copyright-laws here or there.
It also doesn’t make the work public domain, because the thief said: You may copy it!

The problem is, that if I wanted to claim copyrights on this, I would have trouble to find a lawyer. But never mind, we got Todd Schwartz on our side!
If the judge wouldn’t sentence me for 30 weekends doing social work, because of playing jokes on the court, than he would ask me to proove that this is scientific work on alien artifacts.
Then I probably would have to tell him, that I use to carry the papers around in my trousers usually, but that I wanted to look good infront of the court and this is why I put on new ones…

Another chance would be to claim that this is art-work created by myself. Again I would have to proove this. Also – at least here in Germany – the judge must be of my opinion, that this work is really art. There could be a slide chance, I think. The LAP does look like a pretty good work and even the story could be seen as an exposé…

Then it should not be Isaac, who claims anything. For this really would mean the artist gave it away for free.
But than maybe this is why you say, it is public domain.

Hi Reader,

It is in the public domain. By any stretch of the imagination or law, it is in the public domain. Some points:

a. A government document paid for by tax dollars is in the public domain, even if it is classified, it belongs supposedly to the public.

b. Any original creation (some would call it art or squibbles, doesn't matter.. is copyrighted on the moment of its creation automatically.

c. If a copyright violation occurs, the creator is OBLIDGED within a restricted period of time to notify the offending party of his copyright violation in writing and to get the material registered with the Library of Congress.

d. In order to get the material registered it must meet certain standards offering proof of authorship.

e. If copyright violations are not resolved, in order to get court address and remedy, the creator is OBLIDGED to defend this copyright with legal notifications and further action. Depending on the type of material violated the initial remedies for copyright violation are extensive, but one must first raise this in court requesting injunctions.

f. If one fails to defend their copyright, but allows the violation to publically proliferate, thereby hopeing to capitalise on maximum remedies, the case will will be dismissed right away. No lawyer will even waste time on a case that doesn't meet this minimum standard of responsible defense by the creator at the earliest violation.

g. Since this is supposedly a government document, drawn up by government employees, the LAP is in the public domain. Since this was presented to the world by Isaac who told the world to replicate it, it is in the public domain. Since it has become almost an icon of the drones matter, it is in the public domain.

h. Any questions?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 21, 2007, 10:13pm

Sorry, tomi, you are out!

No governement involved yet.

Only MIBs. 8-)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 21, 2007, 10:24pm

Ah, sorry, I forgot Nic now!

Nic, you are out, too, because your monster-voice-messages don't have anything essential at all.

Sorry!

If you were a girl maybe I could change my mind. But I know you are one of those guys who spit through straws on other pupils. Bad, bad...

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 21, 2007, 10:53pm

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Ah, sorry, I forgot Nic now!

Nic, you are out, too, because your monster-voice-messages don't have anything essential at all.

Sorry!

If you were a girl maybe I could change my mind. But I know you are one of those guys who spit through straws on other pupils. Bad, bad...

You mean you are throwing me and Lev out together?
Where's the humanity???

sry lev..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 21, 2007, 11:04pm

Great idea!

I am going to throw out everybody! Only Isaac is invited to stay! And than... wow.. candlelight-dinner and so forth... He will confess!
Butt what will he do than? Maybe tomi could take that job!

(As Shadows said: Pun is intendet. I guess Nic would say: Punishment is intendet!)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 21, 2007, 11:04pm

We understand you and that scares you. We have a history of posts from day one that can be checked and we have always said the same thing, because we know what you can not know. The original Drones are real and have done their job for many many years. In many cases they are redundant now, but continue because THEY want to. Think about that and find a cause for many "myths". The new things "never show themselves" no matter what.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 21, 2007, 11:08pm

Funny, we are posting at the same time. Maybe we are twins. Especially since we are so similiar in our opinions!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 21, 2007, 11:53pm

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We understand you and that scares you. We have a history of posts from day one that can be checked and we have always said the same thing, because we know what you can not know. The original Drones are real and have done their job for many many years. In many cases they are redundant now, but continue because THEY want to. Think about that and find a cause for many "myths". The new things "never show themselves" no matter what.

Lev,

Please explain what "their job" is. I am sincerely curious to hear this.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 22, 2007, 12:39am

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Great idea!

I am going to throw out everybody! Only Isaac is invited to stay! And than... wow.. candlelight-dinner and so forth... He will confess!
Butt what will he do than? Maybe tomi could take that job!

(As Shadows said: Pun is intendet. I guess Nic would say: Punishment is intendet!)

Hey, I've been 86'd ...
Why should I take YOUR job?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 22, 2007, 12:45am

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Funny, we are posting at the same time. Maybe we are twins. Especially since we are so similiar in our opinions!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 22, 2007, 2:32am

The Drones herd the sheep and did offer some protection to the sheep. The owner of the sheep has seen that this particular breed is less that expected and cares little if the wolves come and they are here with more coming. The Drones are not required, but still function for a while. Is this too obtuse or is it clear. It is simple and fits to perfection so we are in no worry of you believing it because it is the truth. Such can not be accepted by your kind. It is not comforting.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by murnut on Nov 22, 2007, 3:15am

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The Drones herd the sheep and did offer some protection to the sheep. The owner of the sheep has seen that this particular breed is less that expected and cares little if the wolves come and they are here with more coming. The Drones are not required, but still function for a while. Is this too obtuse or is it clear. It is simple and fits to perfection so we are in no worry of you believing it because it is the truth. Such can not be accepted by your kind. It is not comforting.

You are slipping, this fantasy scenario is laughable.

You and yours will be the first to go

Happy Thanksgiving btw

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 22, 2007, 5:06am

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Is this too obtuse or is it clear.

Well Lev, it's as clear as mud. I'm assuming you are saying that we humans are the sheep. Who owns the sheep? Who are the wolves? An off world threat?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 22, 2007, 9:28am

It is a little dissapointing to read, that these drones are only herding the sheep...

And it is a pity for all those shephards, who lose their jobs. But that is always the dilemma with new technologies.

Maybe alienware needs some new employees.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 22, 2007, 8:39pm

Sheep or Goyim = Humans
Drones, UFOs = Sheep Dogs (in some cases, not all)
Earth = the Sheep Fold (many other flocks)
Wolves = The myriad of living things not fond of humans.
Shepherd = Not Mr. Smith
Owner = Obvious (owner of all)
Things are much simpler than you may (not can) imagine.
1st Owner to appear = False
2nd OWNER to appear = Real and pissed.
Sheep and goats reminded of truth
Goats removed.
THE BEGINNING

Far too simple for you.
IC ( we eat sheep)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by dragonfire on Nov 22, 2007, 8:55pm

I believe you are going to real disappointed nic.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by etherian on Nov 22, 2007, 9:05pm

Nic, In a strange twisted way you are following the scriptures. I get what you are saying.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 22, 2007, 9:49pm

there are sheep there are sheep herders..and then there are wolves..what makes you think nic you are outside of this circle....this equation..that all good and bad are bound to..and besides..I note always that the sheep know the sounds of their masters voice..you cannot get around that..you yourself..and I , angels and demons..are bound to the circle..the beginning and the end..You announce victory, the christians announce victory..before the war has ended..If I am sheep..then I will know who to follow..If I am wolf..I would never..announce myself..and If am the herder..I would always remember..PETER and the wolf..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by theshadow on Nov 22, 2007, 9:50pm

Quote:

Sheep or Goyim = Humans
Drones, UFOs = Sheep Dogs (in some cases, not all)
Earth = the Sheep Fold (many other flocks)
Wolves = The myriad of living things not fond of humans.
Shepherd = Not Mr. Smith
Owner = Obvious (owner of all)
Things are much simpler than you may (not can) imagine.
1st Owner to appear = False
2nd OWNER to appear = Real and urineed.
Sheep and goats reminded of truth
Goats removed.
THE BEGINNING

Far too simple for you.
IC ( we eat sheep)

Wait a minute who are the goats??

BAAH-AHH-AHH-AHH......a-a-a-a-a-are you-u-u-u--u-u (could be ewe?!

) my-y-y-y-y-y-y Mo-o-o-o-o-o-m-m-m-m-my-y-y-y-y??

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 22, 2007, 10:43pm

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Shepherd = Not Mr. Smith

See! Here we have a point where we can agree!

And by the way: I eat sheep, too. Tastes great!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 23, 2007, 1:17am

Humor affords some psychological protection, in the flesh that is. We are never disappointed, we adjust to the new game. The goats are at a minimum 1/3rd of the Souls used to animate the human carcass. Many come in now to greet the return of the one they know so well. The Earth is too valuable to be left to the hand of the human. It must be only a partial human leading to a non human that ends in control here. Now we are back to being unclear. Do any of you really care? We hope not.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 23, 2007, 2:06am

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Humor affords some psychological protection, in the flesh that is. We are never disappointed, we adjust to the new game. The goats are at a minimum 1/3rd of the Souls used to animate the human carcass. Many come in now to greet the return of the one they know so well. The Earth is too valuable to be left to the hand of the human. It must be only a partial human leading to a non human that ends in control here. Now we are back to being unclear. Do any of you really care? We hope not.
IC

Of all the weavers you are one of the best Lev..
Cheers

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 23, 2007, 2:13am

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This is all enemy line. Make people believe they are owned, that they are products. But we never were and still aren't. We aren't even bodies at all and that is something which a person can know for himself and eventually will know that because we can't be kept down forever.

The only wolves around are the ones doing the convincing so that we think we are far less than we really are. Keep us slaves, make us better slaves.

Each and every one of us has a birthright of peace and achievement. In our past we were far more civilized than we can even imagine right now. Write about ring worlds and hyperspace stations, some of us are straining to think up what we already had and can have again and even more than that.

Get rid of the wolves and we're going to bob right back up to the top and that is what the wolves are afraid of. That's why they work so very hard to keep so down, to keep us confused.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 23, 2007, 5:24am

though I liked the film nicos ..I am afraid it took liberty with imagery and concepts ..that were a little misleading..the image of lucifer on an egyptian throne..when the sources actually go back to the Chaldeans that had influenced the ancient hebrews just prior to the first fall of their people..(they adopted human sacrifice as part of their religious practices..)and the evolution of their Zohar and Qabbalah (the recieving) of so called sacred geometries and numerology alchemical symbology formalized later in writing in the latin Qabbalah. now its all New age as this sacred oral aside (intended for an elect few) to the bible and Talmud (intended for the many) promises to release us all from our daily travails. It seems you take it a little too seriously..Like cult followers of one mystic qabbalah center you can ward off evil spirits with a red string around the waist or drink quantum powered water, or pass your hand over some symbols and you will be healed, (dont worry if you dont know what it means) or even in another case gyrate a chicken over ones head.(I thought onlly the Haitian voodooists did that).Quite a few exmembers are now in psychiatric wards..and Madonna has invested heavily otjhers are now destitute....yet..The mainstream Jews..traditional and Hassidic denounce this as an abomination..though the leader of this movement also calls himself Rabbi..(christions have a heap of those types too)Being a luceferian yourself..as like the golden dawn you all borrow on this same source..and basically what ever sigil you choose, or hex you cast , its all drinking from the same well., only as in magika a tad bit more disposed to deception than norm. (to make up for the powerlessness it would seem to me).empowering yourselves vis a vis illusion or thuggery in the middle of the night.) Yet not a one willing to take responsibility for their actions, whether its a Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler ( quite the cultist) or even .Like Adam when he told G_D , well gee wiz..you made her..or something like that:) Because deep inside..they are cowards, and will decieve or kill to preserve the illusion . So what we have here is that you appear to be a victim of your own illusions, and frankly cannot tell us about the people behind Caret, the letters, but can tell us all about the year 2021, and of course your own religious beliefs..(which you really need to polishup on the history..beyond Alex crowleys..)

I would therefore categorically say in my most sheepish way...that though interesting , you need to start a different thread. and invite theologians to debate..(who know your history as well as their own..unless you fear conversion..or who knows you might convert others yourself)...because after all..there is an investigation going on and you have been ruled out as a suspect...as many of us also have been here since day one as well and IMO would rather move on..to something enlightening..not endarkening..that will give us solutions not subtrafuge and like LMH, who I can hear saying..Gee it was almost the truth!

Sys
2007 Ano Dominus

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 23, 2007, 11:03am

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Shepherd = Not Mr. Smith

See! Here we have a point where we can agree!

And by the way: I eat sheep, too. Tastes great!

Lev, I hope your wife will know many recipes.. A nice middle eastern woman of the Eastern Star will know what to do with your Goat!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 23, 2007, 1:23pm

Are you leving at me or do you mean him, who levs?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 23, 2007, 4:25pm

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Are you leving at me or do you mean him, who levs?

Whoever has the goat..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 23, 2007, 5:10pm

I have got a coat! Does that count, too?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 23, 2007, 11:05pm

Sysconfig, interesting and predictable, but as you suggest lets stay on topic. You must consider Isaac's thoughts when we say that to place these symbols on the case of a human computer is what we want. We have to be given entry and they have done this. We have entry. On our Blog we have already spoken to the "System" and will do so again. Symbols that communicate with a computation system and the blind monkeys give us entry. Learn the dates 2023 and 2069! That is up to you, we already know them. The Chupakabra eat goat!!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 23, 2007, 11:21pm

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Sysconfig, interesting and predictable, but as you suggest lets stay on topic. You must consider Isaac's thoughts when we say that to place these symbols on the case of a human computer is what we want. We have to be given entry and they have done this. We have entry. On our Blog we have already spoken to the "System" and will do so again. Symbols that communicate with a computation system and the blind monkeys give us entry. Learn the dates 2023 and 2069! That is up to you, we already know them. The Chupakabra eat goat!!!

And where are you on the food chain Lev?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by kenticus on Nov 24, 2007, 7:34am

lev, these mindgames are both childish & counterintuitive to your "cause".

One single verifiable explanation of the LAP, one single plain english explanation of your x-files plan would give you more credibility than any of the mishmash you seem intent on posting here.

If you have info that explains these documents & photos, freaking spill it! otherwise, you come across as a bad fiction writer with holes in your plot i could drive a cement mixer through.

This is where i come for meaningful discussion about events with no discernable rhyme or reason. your muddying the waters with secret clubs & enigmatic responses does nothing to further the scientific process we are trying to maintain.

In short, put your cards on the table, or fold. I think i can guess your hand already, but am willing to hear your revelations.

Your deal, lev

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 24, 2007, 5:22pm

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This is where i come for meaningful discussion about events with no discernible rhyme or reason. your muddying the waters with secret clubs & enigmatic responses does nothing to further the scientific process we are trying to maintain.

In short, put your cards on the table, or fold. I think i can guess your hand already, but am willing to hear your revelations.

I agree with you. My cards are on the table. If you want to see that the glyphs are active on the human body you can observe the "read" of a pendulum yourself. A pendulum is a meter.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 24, 2007, 6:51pm

[quote author=nonlocalone board=cali1 thread=1195229345 post=1195924977]
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A pendulum is a meter.

Mhm... Not if it is held by a human's hand. Than we are drifting into esoteric waters.

I already said, this all reminds me to Eco's book.
So I even could take Lev's mysterious sheep-story and believe that the invented tale became a real one now.

No. As soon as we stop to talk about it, it will be nothing else, but a story to remember. Everybody's price is, what he/she made out of this.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by tomi01uk on Nov 24, 2007, 7:58pm

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[quote author=nonlocalone board=cali1 thread=1195229345 post=1195924977]
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A pendulum is a meter.

Reader, how can you be so sure??

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 24, 2007, 9:26pm

Ask the strong once here. They understand.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 24, 2007, 11:22pm

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A pendulum is a meter.

Mhm... Not if it is held by a human's hand. Than we are drifting into esoteric waters.

Just backwards. You are just drifting out of esoteric waters. The point is that the human is influenced-if it isn't in the human's hand then no influence can be seen.

Esoteric is the word of choice of those people who like the political and other power of an area they don't actually understand at all It is a lot of bs of all kinds added onto the area of what really were the supersciences. And that is just and only science based on the actual basics of this universe. It's another very inconvenient truth and this one is that consciousness is intergral to the makeup of this universe.

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I already said, this all reminds me to Eco's book.

Which I haven't read myself.

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So I even could take Lev's mysterious sheep-story and believe that the invented tale became a real one now.

The real part is that slaves must be kept slaves and there are people on Earth who, once again, like power enought to voluntarily keep assuring people that they are powerless even if they aren't getting paid for it. I guess it makes them big in their own eyes.

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No. As soon as we stop to talk about it, it will be nothing else, but a story to remember. Everybody's price is, what he/she made out of this.

I happen to like people to be free. Anyone who knows more about things gets freer if by only small steps.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 25, 2007, 12:06am

Readers point is to help us ..not confuse..you can make it an esoteric matter..something subject to even greater branching and therfore greater misinterpretation..of the actual event...or any other thing..non esoteric. and simple...like a hoax..its in the eye of the beholder. Take pythons movie the life of Brian..where after the crucifiction..some people yelled ..he means follow his path..A gord happened to fall and roll downhill..so others said..no no..he means follow the Gord..other said..no no..follow his sandals..
Even Umberto Echo was quoted by the Partizan movie makers in their upcoming movie about two hoaxters unleashingsomething like the caret on the world..and watching it develop as it has now..some following the Gord..others the slippers..and others who knows..imagination given few clues will connect patterns..as I have in my way..and others have in others..but not necessarily the correct path. Now Nicos may want to take it down his Golden Dawn path..but that requires a different thread..Nocalone may want to take it down the the freedom fighters path ( thank God it did not have a made in china symbols or an American flag symbol) and that also requires a different..path..I think there is a thread here about the symbology..I cant recall..nevertheless, if it is this, the laptop and Alienwares use of the engraving thread..and it behooves us to stick to the topic..or we will drift quickly into the Madame Blavatsk'ys Ether or Adams first wife Lilith...We certainly dont want to go There..in Here..anyway. Unless of course someone has evidence .Alienware is made up Warlocks, illuminati..and Freemasons....and casting a mass spell..buy me! but if we are going to be all eaten..who is going to buy?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 25, 2007, 12:12am

Very wll spoken, nonelocalone

but as long as we don't have anything, but a pendulum, we don't have anything at all.

Eco's book is about some guys, who invent a conspiratory scenario, which finally becomes true. People begin to kill people because Minni met Mickey-Mouse. Hope, we stop before this happens...

Hi, sys, just saw, that you were right before me ;-)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 25, 2007, 2:47am

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Readers point is to help us ..not confuse..you can make it an esoteric matter..something subject to even greater branching and therfore greater misinterpretation..of the actual event...or any other thing..non esoteric. and simple...like a hoax..its in the eye of the beholder.

This is a point where the beholder has something they can go see for themselves.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 25, 2007, 3:00am

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but as long as we don't have anything, but a pendulum, we don't have anything at all.

You have one of the advanced instruments which enabled the ancients to do many things we still aren't doing today with our own instruments. Really advanced technology is most often simplicity in itself.

Mankind has been betting the ranch and losing the ranch as well having taken the wrong tack. It's time for those having a bit of courage to stop running toward the abyss and take the opposite direction.

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Eco's book is about some guys, who invent a conspiratory scenario, which finally becomes true. People begin to kill people because Minni met Mickey-Mouse. Hope, we stop before this happens...

Thanks for the data.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 25, 2007, 4:10am

I would like to know, being an admirer of the elegance in simplicity where we are gong with this..plumbs and T squares were instruments in mans hands as was the pendumulum, the right angle. straight edge, ..all created with observations of nature and its repetitive rythms and geometric patterns used to build great things. Many still believe ETS did it for man..I would rather give the credit to MAN..and his ability to see adapt what he sees and move on from there. AS I give credit to Caret, this Caret anyway, to the hands of not ET but MAN ..whether or not we like the people like Alienware, who saw an opportnity, or Microsoft who has similar symol on its xbox as well as halo program, its merely a use of whats there, like our ancestors did, ..including of course our curiosity..and very well known gullability as the very clay they, advertisers, governments, writers, work with to entice, dupe or entertain.

It is more profitable at the moment to let it stay unknown..let it be prostituted..milked until something else is brung in for us to suckle on. But I think now, the material is stale, the milk not so sweet...the anonymous calls and disappearances, concepts and symbols, anti gravity, electrostatic propulsion, etc were things discussed in different forumms and venues, and even movies long ago..Can anyone tell me what is so alien and new here that really defies imagination?.
http://www.completewermosguide.com/alphabetgallery.html

[image]

.Even the legion demons Nicos speaks..are they new..and lets be sensible here, if they eat, surely they can die, or they would not hesitate to break the rules and come in now...Alienware, Dell, and for some reason I think, even Sys Mead, who in all number more than Levs demons, are all doing quite well..perhaps the answer was the simplest one of them all..Money and a little abracadabra added to the mystique seein it parting from the wallet..most certainly helps.

[image]

as long as I don't see it appearing as the symbol on the oval office in Washington..I will be quite happy..

Now we must do as Pontious Pilate (PP)did with the Jesus

Bring him here before Me..
Bring forth the Luceferian now!
Answer me now.
..Nicos..Lev..
Do you claim to be the Christ err I mean the Caret?
I repeat..in the name of Ceasar..
.Are you the Christ....the Caret?!
Do you deny making strange prosthetic devices and odd magic ,terrifying the Christian Jews and the Jewish Christians alike..?
what are the letters IC ? Isaac Caret, I Ching, I Clueless.. speak now..!
you dont look look a threat to me..but I dont think the crowd is so forgiving..this time..Mr. Nicos "IC". If you had any power you would have taken that silly counterfeit site at fortune city down. then again...Even there, a viagra for webites could not ressurect them
Listen..hear that!..the people are saying Free Alienware Free Alienware!
Sorry Lad..I wash my hands of this..
].(this story bought to you by Dial (TM) disinfectant soap ..will clean anything including guilt)

The crowd then takes IC for a circumcision without anasthetic..not very pleasant..
good night..I need some rest before the Arena games tomorrow..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 25, 2007, 12:37pm

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I would like to know, being an admirer of the elegance in simplicity where we are gong with this.

Mankind is going back to better times.

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Many still believe ETS did it for man..I would rather give the credit to MAN..and his ability to see adapt what he sees and move on from there. AS I give credit to Caret, this Caret anyway, to the hands of not ET but MAN

I believe that you personally would rather give the credit to man the animal. We never originated here and we aren't animals and I would rather give credit back to our real selves.

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It is more profitable at the moment to let it stay unknown.

Exactly my point. It is more profitable right now to the "illuminati," to the enslavers it is more profitable because they haven't found a way to own geometry.

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Can anyone tell me what is so alien and new here that really defies imagination?.

Just because something looks like these Star Wars alphabets does not mean that they are the same thing as active geometric glyphs.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 25, 2007, 7:23pm

well my point (one of many)is nona..what has this got to do with the illuminati..do we say everytime men attempt to influence other men..in other cases subjugate..in cases like this..sell their wares ..or steal or borrow..or adapt others ideas its the illuminati..demons..free masons..do you walk in fear wherever you go looking over your shoulders... Do you see a conspiracy wherever you go because you dont know the answers to this? do you make a flood out of the full glass of whater or a draught out of any empty one.? rather than disagree or quibble..Give us your solution..your take..who is responsible..a shrink tank..? madison avenue, the free masons, in league with alienware , Alex Jones,what..dont limit your imagination..or your opinions..especially if you believe you have one more valid, or at least equally, for you deny us the privelege of growing and learning which is one of the benefits of delving into mysteries to begin with..lead us horses to the water..even if we choose not to drink
An As for what I believe personally..I restate again..caret was not God made..Demon made..anymore than I would ascribe mans inhumanity to man..to G_d, even though G_d made us,.ooor as you like "Alien" Influenced..We have our own minds in an animal body..and you cannot escape that shell or its influences, ..even with prayer, zen, or meditation..we are given enough to adapt and learn to learn to adapt..and aspire even....I have no interest para-theological or theosophical debates..but in finding the source of the project..which I think in my opinion neither you nor lev nor nicos are leading us to..but if you have an answer..then post it and we will look at it and deal or /and move on..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 25, 2007, 8:12pm

Sysconfig,

You're just around to obfuscate. I'm not. I rather don't care what you pretend to think.

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 25, 2007, 11:03pm

Too late, nonelocalone,

the horse has been dead for a long time. People here tried to solve the riddle. All others gave up before.

LMH did not take her opportunity. She lost the most in this game and I guess she will try to close her eyes and say: It never happened.

As I already said: There is no way to run into esoterics now. And I feel it would be an insult to everybody, who tried to do a scientific approach.

Okay, I myself tried to add fun as often as I could. Blame me, if it died because of too many jokes. But reality never dies because of jokes. Jokes die because of reality.

Greetings!

Reader

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nonlocalone on Nov 26, 2007, 12:03am

Reader.

I've got no riddle to solve. Whatever line you'all had going on was before I got here.

A scientific approach is looking at the data. Not looking at data is what is unscientific.

If you're not looking at the data you're insulting yourself. If you're claiming to be "scientific" when doing that then you're no scientist. Worse than that you're working to discourage whoever here just might deserve to be called "scientific."

nonlocalone

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 26, 2007, 12:21am

you must mean looking at it rationally..what is your rational take nona..is it data with a new face or an old face with new data..whats your take..since you like little quips..please crap or get off the chamber pot..as you say you have been sitting on it a while ..so if you are not into solving this "riddlle" then what are you here for..empty dialectics...tit for tat..? if so then join lev and start a tit for tat thread..or as that hackeyed cliche goes "if you are not part of solution..then you must be part of the problem!
Have I obfuscated you too much that you don't understand that?
As for pretending...I think I made myself perfectly clear..its you who pretends not to see., like the proverbial ostrich, .others views..but your own..I asked you for your take..no answer..other than empty retorts to I and others..as for scientific..science is not exact..prone to error..yet we draw the line here as we have in this thread..unless you have something to the contrary besides a veiled vitriol and disdain for others..even Lev seemed to have a better grasp if not amusing way of putting things..and I think if he were to start another thread..it would be both informative and lively..
Attacking Readers "unscientificity" is laughable..he speaks common sense..you dont need a texas instruments calculator or slide ruler (for those of us back in the dayz) to come to an opinion shared not only by him but I think myself and a few others..
Happy Holidayz!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by murnut on Nov 26, 2007, 12:57am

I love you guys :-*

Do we have any real data in this anyway?

Witnesses are anonymous...lead investigator wont talk about it...photos lacking the data to be analyzed...Caret unverifiable.
The primer is/was the best lead we had. We got to a certain point with it and voila, no where to go.

All the data is theories on top of theories.

Nothing in this case is verifiable, just like Serpo. Hmmmmmmmm

Maybe it is true, I dont know.

I am surprised that there has been nothing more from Isaac.
Whether the guy was legit or not, I would have expected the communication to continue. Right?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 26, 2007, 1:31am

Thank you Alienware you have made us an opening and we have entered. Now to speak more plainly with the "System" or the replacement. This is very much on subject. The human concept of the supernatural is not ours, but certainly provides us a convenient cover of assured disbelief. You choose what game you play while we are about our business.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 26, 2007, 2:30am

I heard that song "Time to say good-bye" a long time before. But I although I am not responsible for OMF I don't want to take over the nuts this dead forum.

As long as there is a rat in my kitchen I will watch with my broom in hands.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 26, 2007, 2:50am

We rats have brooms, we recently used one. Be careful of rats they spread plague. They reproduce rapidly and are by all estimates more successful at survival than you humans. Rats, covering the lawn like a red mist. Now lets get back to the subject before we share the fate of Mr. Smith.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by murnut on Nov 26, 2007, 3:38am

Verily I say unto to you....One of the greatest songs ever

♫ Rat In Mi Kitchen ♫

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRXvfA6GV_o&feature=related

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 26, 2007, 7:56am

Yeah, murnut, that's a great song!

Time for another Reader-lyric:

The mouse that roared frightened the rats
Who just had seen a film with cats
The rats, who feared this was their doom
Took chance by killing the mouse with a broom
And if the mouse could not have been beaten
The rats already would have been eaten

Copyright by myself.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 27, 2007, 6:49am

while looking for unusual guis i was redirected back to alienwre who is getting ready to announce another development related to this saga. not only letters but the schematics..the rosetta stone..If you note, the gui on the pcs I posted earlier its probably something like that..thats why I probably wont get a response from syd mead till then..nor ammo marketing ..their silence speaks volumes..as all three are closely connected..I have a feeling alienware craftily dodged Banzai..and fed us a little misinfo.

http://www.alienware.com/Microsite_Pages....0102&from=EMAIL:gen_20071106_declassified

and so while giving alienware all this coverage I will be posting some things to level the advertising playing field..
I hope they are watching..
Because as an old sixties song went
My boyfriends back and boy your going to get it..
Yes friends Commodore is back with a whole new attitude in its lates Amiga system
set to give alienware a run for its money as well as hoaxes..
[image]

yes they are takin it to the street folx..
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.a....s-looking-sharp lets wish them well..:)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 27, 2007, 2:09pm

I will have to eat my words regarding Syd..(oh ye faint of heart!)
This was in my email at work this am
First Thank You Syd Mead and Mr. Servick for the kind Response

-----Original Message-----
From: Syd Mead [mailto:oblagon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:18 PM
To: xxxxxxxx
Cc: oblagon@att.net
Subject: THE CART caper

Manny

Your inquiry was interesting, especially because it was all prompted by the ubiquity of the current practice of folk who take little tiny pictures with their communication devices and subsequently broadcast them to the world.
This curious practice will surely influence any future presentations that I make anywhere in the world. Now to your question..

I have long been a believer in the alien presence on our planet since at least Biblical days. (Read the book of Ezekiel.) There have been too many eyewitness accounts to argue to the contrary. I was cruising the net when I ran across some interesting graphics that were purportedly a part of a reverse engineering program run by a government agency. The patterns are beautiful, arabesque, intricately geometric. I combined three of them into one graphic and used that pattern as a graphical background between segments of my presentation. I am not aware of any prohibition regarding these images...but to ease your curiosity, I am not 'part of' any particular group that pursues the whole subject of alien presence.

SYD MEAD

I returned a thank you to him..

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by droneonline on Nov 27, 2007, 2:48pm

Nice....I've been waiting for this reply sys.......great to read this!

...I guess we can "erase Syd from the list" now...

Actually he should join this forum I think.....

Greetz,
DRONE

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by 10538 on Nov 27, 2007, 4:46pm

Quote:

Nice....I've been waiting for this reply sys.......great to read this!

...I guess we can "erase Syd from the list" now...

When are you guys ever going to learn?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by droneonline on Nov 27, 2007, 5:05pm

...as soon as we're getting "facts" I'd say...

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by spf33 on Nov 27, 2007, 5:14pm

Quote:

First Thank You Syd Mead and Mr. Servick for the kind Response

very cool to have mr. mead's opinions and insights.

if the artist\hoaxer angle is the reality, i would hope the hoaxer feels honored to have syd call the lap diagram work "beautiful, arabesque, intricately geometric.", not too mention using it to help showcase his own work.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 27, 2007, 5:40pm

I agree SPf33 he/they do..its also why I believe there is more on the inside..if we look at it from artists (this includes musicians, not just picassos, and even writers..etc) eyes (now that may be real hard but not impossible..)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 27, 2007, 11:03pm

The mouse that roared frightened the rats
Who just had seen a film with cats
The rats, who feared this was their doom
Took chance by killing the mouse with a broom
And if the mouse could not have been beaten
The rats already would have been eaten
The broom was the thing no one had known
and when it was over and all else was in gloom.
The rats were all happy for they had brought doom.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 27, 2007, 11:10pm

Poo, holy something! Who added those grmblfnx to my poem?

I already said, you are out, Nic!

Don't you dare to violate my words again or I will let the dogs out!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 27, 2007, 11:26pm

The mouse that roared frightened the rats
Who just had seen a film with cats
The rats, who feared this was their doom
Took chance by killing the mouse with a broom
And if the mouse could not have been beaten
The rats already would have been eaten
The broom was the thing no one had known
and when it was over and all else was in gloom.
The rats were all happy for they had brought doom.
And the silly old cat was asleep in the tomb

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 27, 2007, 11:37pm

If you give it up I offer you my friendship....

This is too cruel!!!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 27, 2007, 11:51pm

The mouse that roared frightened the rats
Who just had seen a film with cats
The rats, who feared this was their doom
Took chance by killing the mouse with a broom
And if the mouse could not have been beaten
The rats already would have been eaten
The broom was the thing no one had known
and when it was over and all else was in gloom.
The rats were all happy for they had brought doom.
And the silly old cat was asleep in the tomb
Then with all gone, the Earth sprang into bloom
The baby rats ran from out of the tomb
well feed and not beaten
for the silly old cat they surely had eaten.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 28, 2007, 12:21am

It still sounds bad,

But thank you for the appreciation. You are my second dearest fan now. Maybe I will send you a christmas card this year. (If you tell me where in hell you live!)

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 28, 2007, 1:46am

You sound a bit brittle, as if something had gotten your goat. In Hell we live on the level just above yours.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 28, 2007, 2:00am

you mean like a black sabbath christmas card..hmm I smell opportunity here..a market niche..
Unmerry Xmas with Grinches and Rats..a caret tree topper..instead of angel..ornamnts with those cute nodes..little goats in the manger..Nicos Reader I am in..why stop at christmas..lets take the jewish ones to..only backwards..like celebrating the golden calf..and a day of mourning..like the parting of red sea for Moses...., and why leave out the Muslims..who are they anyway..on Rahmadan..Luceferans can stuff their gizzards for start to finish..Nicos I dont know why you are even wasting your time here. knowing this I would have been out of here making more noise than a greased pig going thru a picket fence!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 28, 2007, 9:15am

Quote:

You sound a bit brittle

No I am not Brittle, I am not even Scottle.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 28, 2007, 5:49pm

We are doing our job plain and simple and and enjoying the energy we receive from the enlighten posters who grace this site. Also we thank Alienware for their help in putting symbol to metal. A true event for us. Since all this is so much bunk to so many here, why concern yourself. Let the Drones fade and Isaac too. Go back to fuzzy pictures of little dots and human science meanderings and return to your happy warm false security. After all humans are the supreme creation according to humans. Be happy.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 28, 2007, 7:00pm

It makes us very happy to hear that we make you happy!
This is why we stay and don't go away, because we had so much pleasure with you groups out there.

And since groups are so nice, we decided to be groupies of Isaac and - of course - we want to get into his hotel-room.

Greetings to you & you!

I & I

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nic654 on Nov 28, 2007, 7:50pm

Now cedar trees and baby heads, that's another story. Also Santa and Satan or St Nic. Red and red. Stick with Drones and Isaac none of you could or would handle the rest and that comes later anyway.
IC

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by dragonfire on Nov 28, 2007, 10:17pm

Doesn't really matter nic, no one lives forever.

At least not in this materialistic world

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by reader on Nov 28, 2007, 10:32pm

He is so lovely! I wish he would answer to my pm!
I would like to show him to some friends and family!

I guess, he is beautiful!

But -alas! - he is so shy!

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 29, 2007, 6:05am

He misses Isaac more than any of us..and may possibly be involved somehow..Thanks to Motown nd the girls at MIT
A song was recently decoded from the primer..It turned out it was an old sixties song
The Leader of the Pack..quite a nice catchy song actually..It took a quantum computer to crack the lyrics.
Leader of The Pack
(G Morton/ J. Barry / E. Grennwich)

Is he really going out with him?
Well there he is, lets ask him,
Nicos is that Isaacs ring your wearing? mmhumm
Gee it must be great flying with him,
is he picking you up after school today? uh-uh
by the way, where'd you meet him?

I met him at the candy store
He turned around and smiled at me you get the picture?
Yes we see
Thats when I fell for
The leader of the pack

folks at OM were always putting us down...down, down down
They say he came from the wrong side of town
Whatcha mean when they say he came from the wrong side of town
They told me he was bad
But I knew he was sad
Thats why I fell for
The leader of the pack

One day my dad said find someone new
I had to tell my Isaac we're through
whatcha mean when you say you had to go find somebody new?
He stood there and asked me why
But all I could do was cry
I'm sorry I hurt you
The leader of the pack

(spoken)
He sorta smiled, and kissed me goodbye
the tears were beginning to show,
as he flew away on that rainy night, I begged him to go slow.
whether he heard, I'll never know ( no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no )
look out Isaac look out look out!

I felt so helpless what could I do
Remembering all the things we've been thru
In school they all stop and stare
I can't hide my tears but I dont care
I'll never forget him the leader of the pack

Gone, Isaac , the leader of the pack ... now he's gone. x's 5 ( Fade)

However this finding will have to be comfirmed by independent testing elsewhere..and quantum computers dont grow on trees..I have my own doubts as I am familiar with american glyphs and colloquial syntaxes during the wall of sound era and separate external comparative references
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAxxJD8Amck
are made to a motorcyle..here the computer mentions flying..thus.. there may be an error of margin higher than is apparent now..But only our Nicos can provide the missing link if indeed he is the identical nicos referred to here. There is nothing to be ashamed..Nicos..Its a great love story..Remember Alexander the Great!..

Well, on the downside We are hampered also by a total lack of DNA on the photographs..yes but remain optimistic that certain prints visible on the primer visa vis magnification, saturation and flourescence will yield additional forensic information besides the coffee and Grey pupon mustard stains, that may very well lead to a breakthru of biblical proportions..or at the least..an unpleasant and accute migraine.

By the way , Who is Ray Hudson? I believe a quote is attributed to him..at a soccer game..
"they ran like three legged Giraffes but they got the job done.."
It sounds like our people..

is he the one Linda interviewed?

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by droneonline on Nov 29, 2007, 10:08am

damn it!....I need a quantum computer now....

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Nov 29, 2007, 1:47pm

If we start doing a small collection now..we can raise the money in about 120 years, may be less if members are a little more generous, thats a blink of an eye in caret years.

Drone..whatcha cookin on the moog synth lately..I know something good I bet....hey did you know that guy Kurzweill that Arthur was quoting ..the singularity and a ton of other books is the Daddy of that thing..the Kurzweil synthesizer? Hmm..perhaps we should pay him a visit

PS I am downloading your latest Album.!! Dang you are awsome!
Thanx Drone o/

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by nala on Dec 10, 2007, 6:18am

There will always be a part of me that questions whether something like this was done to cover up the sightings, and make it look like a viral marketing campaign.

Re: New Alienware Laptop - CARET Language Engraved
Post by sysconfig on Dec 10, 2007, 6:46am

We cant prove that but it seems these things lend themselves to hustlers, counter psyops, and even legitimate study groups gauging the publics interest in the matter. The PTB have ample practice in damage control, even hired firms for spin, even teams in forums to wear the most dedicated investigators down should they choose to do so without shedding a drop of blood..
that makes it the more imperative to study the diagrams and photos..thats all we have and where I think the answers are.
however limited, letting the senses take care of the senses, and the sounds take care of themselves may be the only appropriate course of action here, short of just walking away.