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« Thread Started on Jun 24, 2006, 3:08pm »

To All:

We have been working and researching several different leads from many different sources, trying to figure just what is really going on with the process of disclosure.

I have my own theory I would like to share with you. I invite your comments and criticisms and even your own theories on what you think may be behind everything we see going on!

1.) There are two competing groups out there, the Aviary (made up of ex-Air Force Intelligence) and the Aquarium (made up of ex-Navy). This struggle for control goes back to the beginning of the official US Federal Government recognition, study and research of the UFO phenomonom in 1947, when Navy Intelligence was handed the task by then President Truman. This changed over the years after the Air Force was split out from the Army due to the airborne nature of UFO's. However, the Navy never gave up their own research and attempt to control the projects.

2.) Both groups are attempting to move us closer to disclosure. The reason for this is that disclosure will happen regardless of the attempts by the USG to stifle it. Too many ex-gov employees, both military and non-military, are in the know and retired from their duties. The proliferation of the Internet makes the disclosure process much easier for these individuals, whether or not they seek anonymity during it.

3.) The Aviary is the group responsible for Serpo. It is supposed to be a step in the direction of full disclosure.

4.) Doty and Collins are just two of the many conduits employed for the Serpo information flow, which is why they are sticking to their stories and fight the ridiculous battle over the IP addresses and Doty's law degree. They are just doing their jobs. The unfortunate downside to this is that it is an attempt to utilize "Top Secret" information flow methodology for the purposes of disclosure. This methodogy includes the utilization of "plausible denial" techniques to cover the tracks and paths of the sources. It then relies upon the recipients of the information to pick through it and separate the fact from the fiction.

5.) Both sides have created various stories to discredit the other side which further adds to the distraction. The ATS Board is an example of this. They are funded by the Aquarium side of the battle, and as such they will do anything in their power to squash the Serpo story and to discredit those involved with it. It does create a situation of "throwing the baby out with the bath water", but they will have wiped the slate clean in order for their side to then come forward at a later date with what "really" happened.

6.) Seinu was created by the Aquarium so that they can get back the direction and control over the disclosure process. It, like Serpo, is a fabrication. But these are not classic hoaxes; they are more like fables in that they are based in fact and are designed to tell a moral story.

7.) Ron Pandolfi (code named “Cuttlefish” in the Aquarium) is either heading up or near the top of the Navy Intelligence portion of the disclosure, and currently has Dick Cheney’s ear.

8.) We have had several EBE visitors, from multiple EBE civilizations, and they have worked with both sides of the military.

9.) The disturbing “core story” that we hear so much about is that we are indeed genetic descendants of the aliens. We have been "helped" along from both a genetics and a technology standpoint through the ages.

The above is merely my opinion.

What do YOU think???
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« Reply #1 on Jun 24, 2006, 7:01pm »

Hi Ivo,

Interesting stuff! Linda Howe and Col Philip Corso have discussed this kind of 'inter-agency warfare' before and it may well fit into the 'picture' somehow.

I love the idea of the Aviary versus the Aquarium, Air Force versus Navy, inspired! Ron Pandolfi is 'Cuttlefish'? I take it that this is 'creative license' here? if not could you please point me toward some 'Aquarium' related information as I have never come across it before.

I would like to point you toward my posts in the Aviary thread here, please note I sent my original email to Robert Collins only, he replied with cc's to various people many of whom also chose to reply. It is my personal opinion that these people were genuinely trying to clear up the misconception/mythology surrounding the 'group' they were/are NOT counter Intelligence assets, (with exception to Richard C Doty.)

Furthermore I believe that Ron Pandolfi's name appears in many Aviary lists and also Bruce Maccabee was based at the Naval Surface Warfare Center, so should be a member of the Aquarium?

I do however agree whole heartedly with points 8 and 9 at least with regards to the Visitors.

As for the IP issue it is something I would like to see resolved or at least discussed by the Serpo spokes-people.

Many thanks for your interesting perspective Ivo, who knows perhaps you are right

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« Reply #2 on Jun 24, 2006, 7:11pm »

I will throw out a few thoughts of mine, and I'm sure I'll return and add more.

1.) There are two competing groups out there, the Aviary (made up of ex-Air Force Intelligence) and the Aquarium (made up of ex-Navy).

My source was Navy, and they were the ones in World War II that had the lead.

2.) Both groups are attempting to move us closer to disclosure.

I had to consider the possibility that there was an event getting ready to happen, but I agree that probably the old guys are telling. In fact, I KNOW that some are telling.

4.) It then relies upon the recipients of the information to pick through it and separate the fact from the fiction.

I'm glad there are only two competing groups.

6.) Seinu was created by the Aquarium so that they can get back the direction and control over the disclosure process. It, like Serpo, is a fabrication. But these are not classic hoaxes; they are more like fables in that they are based in fact and are designed to tell a moral story.

I like Serpo because it has a noble story. Seinu has a lot of data. I have no personal knowledge of what is in Serpo, but Seinu has a number of things that I consider facts.

9.) The disturbing “core story” that we hear so much about is that we are indeed genetic descendants of the aliens. We have been "helped" along from both a genetics and a technology standpoint through the ages.


I have no problem with that. The ancient Sumerian texts have all this in them. Man was altered to do tasks for their creators according to those texts, and they were from another planet.

I will think more and respond on this soon.
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« Reply #3 on Jun 24, 2006, 7:14pm »

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I think your conclusion is a valid one. The government knew that this was not going to be able to be held secret forever. Our society is entering a shift of consciousness that these two groups can not control lol. can't wait to see what they'll cook up next i find this whole thing entertaining to say the least. this is truth gifted warped with lies the only thing we can do is take off the warper

keep looking up and keep looking for the truth
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« Reply #4 on Jun 24, 2006, 9:57pm »

For those who want to read up on the Aviary,

We have an "Aviary?" thread under Serpo Main. I posted a list of names and their credentials awhile ago. I did not compile it. The list to the best of my knowledge has never been contested. And I know that some of the Aviary have viewed it.

Hope this helps.


PS: IVO . . . Great post!
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« Reply #5 on Jun 24, 2006, 10:12pm »

A Conversation with Pelican
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In order to give Pelican an opportunity to confirm or deny the eschatological scenario presented by Dan Smith, I gave him a call. RReaders who expect dramatic revelations will be disappointed, although Pelican did provide some interesting tidbits.

First, he sounded much younger than I expected. Second, he had a very sharp sense of humor (I had to laugh out loud several times during the course of our conversation). I limited my questions to the subjects of eschatology and the Aviary. His answers seemed forthright -- he didn't seem stressed to avoid any particular topic, and I found him to be quite convincing.

My first question dealt with with Dan's statements concerning dangerous "black" programs that were out of control. Curiously, Pelican responded that "Dan isn't cleared for that kind of information" -- not exactly a repudiation of Dan's story.

Pelican did admit that he talks to Dan frequently -- about physics. When I told him that Dan had been claiming to be a "conduit" for semi-official information from him, Pelican rather ambiguously stated, "He may very well be doing that... I talk to him once in a while and we share information. I really don't tell him anything that's classified or work-related... he certainly isn't functioning in the role of a conduit for me."

I quoted Dan Smith's statement to the effect that "the best place to find fellow eschatologists was in the intelligence agencies," to which Pelican responded "he didn't find any here" at CIA.

I inquired about the status of psychotronic weapons research. Pelican was dismissive of the entire subject, calling it "modern-day shamanism." He also stated that psychotronics is only taken seriously in countries like Russia and China that do not have the rigorous peer-reviewed scientific establishment such as in the U.S.

I raised the subject of Psi Tech, and Ed Dames' risking his company's reputation on his prediction of an overt alien contact in the Chaco Canyon area by the end of August '93. "What reputation? It's a joke... the only paying customer Psi Tech has ever had was Dan Smith himself, who gave Psi Tech $3,000 to remote view a crop circle being made," Pelican responded. I asked about the high-level personnel on Psi Tech's board of directors like Stubblebine and Alexander. Pelican was dismissive of Stubblebine, recounting that Stubblebine's nick-name was "General Spoonbender," due to his belief in psychic phenomena. Pelican holds Alexander in considerably higher regard, however, stating, "he's a friend of mine."

Next, I asked about the Aviary. According to Pelican, the Aviary is nothing more than the product of the somewhat-deranged mind of "Falcon," retired Air Force Captain Robert Collins, who worked in Foreign Technology Assessment in regards to missile technology -- not AFOSI as is widely believed. Pelican said that Collins was discharged from the Air Force after breaching the security perimeter at the Manzano nuclear weapons storage facility at Kirtland AFB.

[poster comment: Pelican was mistaken at this time (mid 1990's). Bob Collins did not invent the "Aviary". Read our "Aviary?" thread under Serpo.]

When taken into custody by base security, Collins told them he was there "to meet the President." He was discharged shortly thereafter (Dan says that this incident was orchestrated by Bill Moore, with the hapless Collins left twisting in the wind).

. . . . . . . . . . .

All in all, an interesting conversation, but I was (as the reader undoubtedly is now) more confused than ever.

Of course, nobody is shocked any more by government denials that turn out to be less than truthful, but as I said before, Pelican was very convincing. He reiterated Dan Smith's proviso that I keep his name confidential -- not to keep him from being deluged by UFO kooks, but rather, so he wouldn't receive unwanted attention from foreign agents -- a condition that I'll honor, even though Pelican's real name is already well known to researchers following this story.

By Vince Johnson (not dated, sometime mid 1990's)

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Hi Ivo,

Interesting stuff! Linda Howe and Col Philip Corso have discussed this kind of 'inter-agency warfare' before and it may well fit into the 'picture' somehow.

I love the idea of the Aviary versus the Aquarium, Air Force versus Navy, inspired! Ron Pandolfi is 'Cuttlefish'? I take it that this is 'creative license' here? if not could you please point me toward some 'Aquarium' related information as I have never come across it before.

Although Aviary and Aquarium are unofficial names for the groups, do not for a moment think that they are not real. The Aquarium name was afixed to that group well after the Aviary name was used to refer to the ex-Air Force group. My guess is that this was done for the obvious analogy.

"Cuttlefish" is a nickname I was given by someone verbally after reading a blog put together by Dan Smith (http://www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu62.htm) who refers to a "CF" throughout his diary-style blog. This blog by the way is an excellent source for information. Much of it is coded when referring to people, but after reading it you will get the idea.

The link is actually to the last page of the blog. There is much more information covering the last several years in the pages before it.

The connection to Ron Pandolfi is my own doing.


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I would like to point you toward my posts in the Aviary thread here, please note I sent my original email to Robert Collins only, he replied with cc's to various people many of whom also chose to reply. It is my personal opinion that these people were genuinely trying to clear up the misconception/mythology surrounding the 'group' they were/are NOT counter Intelligence assets, (with exception to Richard C Doty.)

The people who are disseminating the information are doing so because either it is their job or because it is what they believe. The only problem with the latter is that you have compartmentalization with Top Secret information, so that someone may be telling you what they saw, but who is to say that what they saw was real?


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Furthermore I believe that Ron Pandolfi's name appears in many Aviary lists and also Bruce Maccabee was based at the Naval Surface Warfare Center, so should be a member of the Aquarium?

Even though Maccabee has a Navy background, most of his work appears to be of aerial phenomena. So I'm not sure how to categorize him!


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I do however agree whole heartedly with points 8 and 9 at least with regards to the Visitors.

As for the IP issue it is something I would like to see resolved or at least discussed by the Serpo spokes-people.

Many thanks for your interesting perspective Ivo, who knows perhaps you are right

Regards,

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The IP issue is difficult in that for the most part we have been given incomplete e-mail headers. I can tell you that Doty's IP will show that it comes through Albuquerque and his ISP is Qwest. The couple of complete headers we have seen also show the same.

Thanks for your comments so far, ufonaut. I look forward to more!

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Pelican is Ron Pandolfi reported included among the Aviary. I didn't know he was also associated with the Aquarium. Interesting . . . .
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I will throw out a few thoughts of mine, and I'm sure I'll return and add more.

1.) There are two competing groups out there, the Aviary (made up of ex-Air Force Intelligence) and the Aquarium (made up of ex-Navy).

My source was Navy, and they were the ones in World War II that had the lead.

We would love to hear more about your naval sources!


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2.) Both groups are attempting to move us closer to disclosure.

I had to consider the possibility that there was an event getting ready to happen, but I agree that probably the old guys are telling. In fact, I KNOW that some are telling.

Is the fact you "KNOW" just a strong opinion or is their more behind that?


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4.) It then relies upon the recipients of the information to pick through it and separate the fact from the fiction.

I'm glad there are only two competing groups.

I hope that there are only two!


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6.) Seinu was created by the Aquarium so that they can get back the direction and control over the disclosure process. It, like Serpo, is a fabrication. But these are not classic hoaxes; they are more like fables in that they are based in fact and are designed to tell a moral story.

I like Serpo because it has a noble story. Seinu has a lot of data. I have no personal knowledge of what is in Serpo, but Seinu has a number of things that I consider facts.

What are the things in the Seinu story you consider to be facts?


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9.) The disturbing “core story” that we hear so much about is that we are indeed genetic descendants of the aliens. We have been "helped" along from both a genetics and a technology standpoint through the ages.

I have no problem with that. The ancient Sumerian texts have all this in them. Man was altered to do tasks for their creators according to those texts, and they were from another planet.

The Sumerians are a great source for the support to this part of the theory. Zecharia Sitchin's website (http://www.sitchin.com/) is an excellent place to go for background on this.


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Thanks for your comments Zag. I look forward to hearing more!

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Pelican is Ron Pandolfi of the Aviary. I didn't know he was also associated with the Aquarium. Interesting . . . .

It's very possible that he was a part of the Aviary and has since splintered off into the Aquarium. It could have to do with politics or policy or who knows.

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« Reply #10 on Jun 24, 2006, 10:48pm »

I think if the powers that be want TRUE disclosure, then NOTHING will stop it.
Why would they ever want to use Doty as any part of disclosure?
Keep him FAR away from it.
If he has ANYTHING to do with it, NOBODY will believe a word of it.

This would need to be put in the hands of a person or persons with high moral standards........NO past lies and deceit in Ufology.
A person of GREAT respect would be needed to present the information to the public......WITHOUT that you would have nothing.

TRUE disclosure is not sneaking around, it's putting the facts on the table for ALL eyes and ears to see and hear the truth. Until this happens you will only have the same charades that have played out time and again.

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I think if the powers that be want TRUE disclosure, then NOTHING will stop it.
Why would they ever want to use Doty as any part of disclosure?
Keep him FAR away from it.
If he has ANYTHING to do with it, NOBODY will believe a word of it.

This would need to be put in the hands of a person or persons with high moral standards........NO past lies and deceit in Ufology.
A person of GREAT respect would be needed to present the information to the public......WITHOUT that you would have nothing.

TRUE disclosure is not sneaking around, it's putting the facts on the table for ALL eyes and ears to see and hear the truth. Until this happens you will only have the same charades that have played out time and again.

Excellent points, ScaRZ!

I agree that we have seen too much of the "old style" approach to this subject.

However, I think part of the reality that makes disclosure so difficult is that who wants to be the one to come forward and say, "Hey everybody. I just want to let you know that we have been lying to you for all of these years. But now you can believe us! No, really! I'm not kidding!"

It's kind of like the children's game of musical chairs. You know the end is coming but you want to be the one sitting in a chair when that happens and not the one falling flat on your a55!
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I still think it was a well thought out plan to choose R. Doty to be a mediator/courier, given his experience and reputation in UFO circles. And especially his experience.

The GoF activities could have been anticipated, but Centrist's involvement might not have been. Obviously the public was not to learn of Doty's involvement in Serpo as early as it has.

I truly believe that the GoF activities did change the Serpo Story time-line. And more importantly Centrist. His ability to con Victor was a major hit (stop sign), to the over all plan of those behind Serpo.

None the less, IMO Doty is not the main player behind Serpo.

And nothing has even come close to convincing me to reconsider this. R. Doty was IMO asked a favour by others. And those others are the r-e-a-l Anonymous.


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Forgive me if I screw this up.


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[quote author=zaggan board=general thread=1151161712 post=1151176294]I will throw out a few thoughts of mine, and I'm sure I'll return and add more.

1.) There are two competing groups out there, the Aviary (made up of ex-Air Force Intelligence) and the Aquarium (made up of ex-Navy).

My source was Navy, and they were the ones in World War II that had the lead.

We would love to hear more about your naval sources!

A non-blood relative that recently passed away. Was Navy in WWII, stationed in China, rank Aerographer's Mate first class.
Converstation I had with him 10 years ago dealt with the collection of UFO/alien information. Was ONI then CIA later.

Is the fact you "KNOW" just a strong opinion or is their more behind that?

I will have to qualify that. At the present, strong opinion. I have not made the decision yet to check any documents.

I hope that there are only two!


What are the things in the Seinu story you consider to be facts?

I will have to go back to review the entire story and add my comments. The facts, as I consider them, are probably more strong possibilities (from my experience) than actual hard evidence.

I was just reading a previous post that had a link to the eschatologist thing (pardon me for inserting it here), and one thing I haven't dealt with in 10 to 15 years was Psi-Tech. I kind of forgot about them. There's a reason that Spoonbender mentioned that his guys/gals could show up in people's closets.

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I still think it was a well thought out plan to choose R. Doty to be a mediator/courier, given his experience and reputation in UFO circles. And especially his experience.

The GoF activities could have been anticipated, but Centrist's involvement might not have been. Obviously the public was not to learn of Doty's involvement in Serpo as early as it has.

I truly believe that the GoF activities did change the Serpo Story time-line. And more importantly Centrist. His ability to con Victor was a major hit (stop sign), to the over all plan of those behind Serpo.

None the less, IMO Doty is not the main player behind Serpo.

And nothing has even come close to convincing me to reconsider this. R. Doty was IMO asked a favour by others. And those others are the r-e-a-l Anonymous.



I agree. I see Doty as being a conduit for the information. The fact that the releases were coming through his IP or one of his aliases was, IMHO, a way to disguise the flow of that information. In the end it was obviously not a successful approach. However, that does not make the man to be some kind of amoral person. He covered up. It was what he was supposed to do.

Doty became the front man so that those doing the disclosure could remain in the background.

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