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Re: Bones vs. Dan « Reply #4 on May 13, 2007, 8:06pm »
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Garuda, Smokey, Ken, Nemo492, Starry, Caryn, Dan, Bones, UncleJohn [Sun May 13 16:55:18 CEST 2007] dan <garuda> So maybe we should start from how to define disclosure? <smokey> that would be good <garuda> OK, then, Dan, shall we agree on that being the question? <dan> disclosure? I equate it to the paradigm shift........ <garuda> What do you understand under 'disclosure"? <smokey> too general <dan> or paradigm INVERSION actually.... <garuda> please elaborate <dan> the world is in our heads...collectively speaking...... <smokey> and so? <dan> and in God's head too....of course.....she being the prime author of our dream world.... <smokey> so it's the bishop berkeley scenario? <Ken> an entity or power of existance <dan> this idea of world as illusion is the focus of eastern mysticism.... <smokey> yeah. the maya. but that's not a new paradigm <dan> It is pantheism....it is western theism that has taken us into materialism ... <smokey> i agree with that <dan> yes, maya is the new paradigm.....maya & God... <garuda> and the new paradigm is that everybody will come to understand that reality is a collective dreamfield <smokey> so what the hell do we need the cia for in this enlightenment? <dan> yes.... <starry> for us simple folk.... what is going to cause this paradigm inversion? <dan> cia? they are part of the global clandestine preparation... <smokey> why them? <Caryn> Hold up <dan> they are part of the global intel community... <Caryn> That is your assumtion Dan is it not? <smokey> yes. we're aware of that <Ken> NWO <dan> informed opinion....sure... <smokey> they're also a gang of liars, thieves and murderers <Caryn> Make that clear <dan> NWO....sure... <Caryn> Not all of them Smokey <Ken> antichrist Dan??? <smokey> well i'll have to check in with the ghost of allende. <dan> cia...bad guys....of course....but this is not about good and bad...this is about getting a job done.... <garuda> I'm with you, what about starry's question? <starry> what exactly IS THE job/ <smokey> ok. now where getting somewhere. a job implies an employer <dan> job = preparation for new paradigm.... <smokey> at who's behest? God's? <dan> God is the overseer...more or less..... <smokey> and he/she gave the contract to the CIA? <starry> ...so the C.I.A. is doing "God's bidding"? <Ken> not <garuda> I think the CIA hired itself on this one... <dan> she gave it to Global intel, but the US does have a special role....manifest destiny....sort of.... <Caryn> No one has stated that the CIA are involved in a dislcosure initative <dan> I state it.... <smokey> and if the CIA why not some other secret organization- like , say, the esoteric nazis? <Caryn> Then prove the claim <dan> everyone has already had their fingers in this pie...thumbs on this scale.... <Caryn> Prove that statement <smokey> is that the point of poindexter's TIA? <dan> proof = R&D show.... <Caryn> R&D show is not proof <Caryn> it simply proves that Ron talks to you <dan> what is it then?? <dan> yes...he sure does.... <starry> the R+D show seems to be more about pushing a preferred meme <smokey> i'd say the 'proof' can only be found in the total batch of pudding, no? <Caryn> And when did he last tell you that he backs your Eschatology? <dan> finally only in the pudding....nowhere else.... <dan> he never said....he just does it....actions louder than words.... <smokey> hang on- an important point. how about some provenance concerning Pandolfi's standing? <Caryn> Does what exactly? <dan> he acts as my handler..... <smokey> I mean- who the hell is this guy? <Caryn> That implies something other Dan.... <dan> tell him...somebody...who is he... <dan> something other??? <smokey> ? <Ken> ??? <starry> why do you need an "handler?" <dan> ?? <smokey> Who and what is Ron Pandolfi? <dan> I don't actually know....it is all intel/clandestine...fun & games... <smokey> What are his credentials vis a vis disclosure? <dan> it is a very long story......... <Ken> Is RP tied to the Vatican???? <dan> vatican...why not?? <smokey> well we have lots of electrons to devote to it <dan> My web site is about that ...1,000+ pages.... <smokey> is he watching for chenoble? <dan> there is a timeline on page nexu??... <smokey> chernoble <smokey> wormwood? <dan> 9/11 was part of this show... <smokey> at the vatican observatory? <smokey> i see 9/11 as a latter dat reistag fire <starry> 911... that says a lot about this "show" IMHO <dan> I'm not up on every conspiracy theory.....RAW>>> Reality is the sum of every conspiracy ever imagined... <Ken> artificial terror <smokey> hahahah. good point <dan> all terror is artifice.... <smokey> does that imply infinity? <smokey> of course it is. it's essentially theatre [Sun May 13 17:21:01 CEST 2007] Caryn <starry> how does artificial terror help to ...control or promote.. the paradigm inversion? <Ken> control <garuda> So 911 was part of a plan to slow down the paradigm inversion? <garuda> or to stimulate it? <dan> all the world is a stage.....the show goes on..... <starry> riddles Dan - can you answer some of the simple questions a little more directly? <Ken> stage of what?? Deception?? <dan> the cold war was definitely staged as part of the prep....IMHO... <smokey> here's where you and i part ways: i incline to the 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing' school. the anti-eschatological school. <dan> smokey = nihilist?? <smokey> semi <smokey> hahahaha. existentialist at heart <dan> so am I...nihilist....after a fashion.... <smokey> i do believe in causes <smokey> but they are political in nature <garuda> Camus, La Peste... <dan> look up....mereological nihilism...wiki.... <smokey> rebirth <Ken> back to disclosure please <dan> just a sec....please.... <smokey> and then there is the problem of solipsism and the original leap of faith [Sun May 13 17:28:33 CEST 2007] Caryn <smokey> that leap is the first denial of nihilism <smokey> welcome back, caryn <smokey> i hope it didn't hurt <Caryn> I'm being flooding with spam through this medium.. <Caryn> flooded <smokey> really? <starry> (its the CIA..) <smokey> damn, more spam is all i need <Caryn> Bit like MSN.. <Caryn> LOL..could be Starry! <smokey> you need a full unit condom for your laptop <garuda> Spam? Where? IN this chat window??? <Caryn> with spamicide <Ken> use firefox with noscript plugin <Caryn> No..coming in behind it...never mind. Carry on chaps, sorry to distract. <smokey> well- worse than that- my cat gacked up a moth this morning and i stepped in it <smokey> worse than spam <Ken> LOL <garuda> that'll teach you to talk solipsism <garuda> <Caryn> LOL <smokey> yeah well i'm singly his invention <garuda> LOL <Ken> Dan is the puppet of the Bushies <Ken> setting us up <smokey> well- all things are possible, K <smokey> they have a long history with the company, after all <starry> the Q would be "why?" Ken... <Ken> NWO <Ken> those that don't conform are rounded up JMO <smokey> but that would indicate that the new paradigm is "Dumbness" <garuda> ok let's give dan a chance to react <Ken> The New Paradigm is after the NWO <smokey> the dumbya borg <starry> they already have everyone's number her... i think it is more about the meme's the fring can promote - just my musing... <smokey> what's become of dan? <starry> wow my typing sucks today <smokey> your typing always sucks <starry> LOL - hey- do I know you by another name LOL <Ken> Dan has to figure out some new parables <smokey> c'mon just admit it get it over with for crissakes <smokey> i have a hundred names. i'm a cartoon sockpuppet <garuda> Dan, are you still with us? <starry> <smokey> ask bren <smokey> hahahaha dan> lawn mower won't start.... <smokey> good news for your neighbors <Ken> chat not yard work??????? <dan> sure..... <smokey> lawnmowers are an instrument of the devil <dan> sure.... <garuda> that only exist in your cat's mind, if I remember correctly <smokey> actually- our brave boys took one to Serpo <dan> serves them right.... <smokey> i've seen that damned cat turn into a lawnmower. that's how i know these things <smokey> and you thought i was bullcrapting.... <dan> maybe... <smokey> hahahaha <garuda> Revenons a nos moutons... <dan> lambs of god?? [Sun May 13 17:41:52 CEST 2007] bones <garuda> Shall we return to the discussion? We seem to have wandered off a bit <Ken> yes please do <smokey> holy crap. the bonesman is here <Nemo> how often a day do you suffer from the Bennewitz syndrom, Dan ? <dan> lambs of god?? [Sun May 13 17:41:52 CEST 2007] bones <garuda> Shall we return to the discussion? We seem to have wandered off a bit <Ken> yes please do <smokey> holy crap. the bonesman is here > how often a day do you suffer from the Bennewitz syndrom, Dan ? <dan> three times a day... <bones> Ayeah. I do can do chat <garuda> And from the Bill Moore syndrom? If you don't mind my asking? <smokey> take an asperin and get some bedrest <dan> Moore syndrome? <Caryn> Yes, Garuda..I think that analogy is more apt. <smokey> i actually think moore ought to be reconsidered <dan> lying? <garuda> That's a dirty word... <garuda> Willingly spreading half truths <dan> failing to tell the whole truth? <smokey> generous amounts of lies with a dollup of truth. serpo pie <dan> which half is which? <smokey> good question <garuda> but a moorean answer, I'd say... <smokey> you'd have to address that question to Stan Friedman <dan> I just tell it like my informed speculations say it is.... <smokey> good guy <Caryn> Being fed part truths Dan, you're not the target re: Bennewitz <garuda> OK - so it's informed speculation... <Ken> Chow peeps! Going to get tested for ESP! <smokey> or miss-informed speculation <smokey> that's the central issue here, now isn't it? <smokey> i have to say that i have no satisfaction concerning your CIA schtick <dan> RP feeds me very little by way of info.....it's more in the actions...as I say....I sniff out my own info...mainly... <smokey> but dan- that looking glass territory <smokey> that's exactly what happened to Paul <dan> looking glass.....that is just where we all are...... <smokey> perhaps <smokey> but we're cute <dan> on the threshold of wonderland.....dreamland...etc... <garuda> The thing is: when do you consider the speculation informed? <smokey> well that's an old theory <garuda> (rethorical question - never mind) <dan> this is about how to cross that threshold...more or less in one piece... <smokey> in fact- eschotology goes back to sumer <Caryn> humnaity has been doing that since the danw of time Dan <bones> Goes back to India. <Caryn> why do we need instruction from you? <dan> sure...but every day is a new day... <smokey> goes back to my cat <bones> cop out <dan> we have to deal with it as it comes around..each time... <bones> Ah. Time is cyclic. [Sun May 13 17:52:24 CEST 2007] UncleJohn <smokey> bones- one more remark like that and i'll instruct my cat to puke on your shoes <bones> heheheh. <dan> we have not actually been here before.....history does not repeat....fyi.... <dan> only one salvation....IMHO.. <bones> So much for predestination. <starry> Hi UJ <dan> yes, we are predestined to be saved.... <Caryn> So why not save your breath? <smokey> too catholic <smokey> been down that street already <dan> breath? because....chatting is the best recreation around....more or less..... <smokey> sex is better <garuda> saved by whom? <UncleJohn> Hi Starry <dan> well, partly by me, of course.....sunfish and all that....IMHO... <Nemo492> Dan, you wrote that you've already considered it might not happen during your lifetime, correct ? <dan> yes, it might not... <bones> Good lord... Messiah Complex. <smokey> it will <dan> Messy Antics (R) <garuda> 2012 anyone? <Caryn> If it's predestined why all the dialogue....why the need to convince folk <smokey> we're the lucky ones to see the denouement of this trashy movie <dan> sure...this is the opportunity to Kill the Savior on the Path.... <UncleJohn> Have the aviary people you talked with buy into you being the Messiah? <smokey> think of all the infortunates who checked befor the first commercial <dan> aviary buy....not one....well, maybe 1/2.... <smokey> why you? <dan> KG is not entirely unhappy with the messy antics.... <Caryn> Yes he is <dan> me? right place..right time...or not... <smokey> hahahah. spoken like a true acolye of kit green <UncleJohn> Dan, have you ever hung around with high spiritual persons? <bones> Well...this is going nowhere fast. He got away with controlling the conversation. <dan> well, caryn and I may have two different data sets relative to KG....maybe he is just being polite to me... <smokey> it's not about control, bones <bones> For a Messiah Complex, it is all about control. <dan> should we let bones take some shots...... <smokey> go for bonz <smokey> it <dan> give me you best shots, bones..... <bones> No need to take shots. <bones> Your own words say all that needs to be said. <dan> what is your need? <bones> Get some help. <dan> where? <bones> My needs are simple and well met. <dan> why were you acting antsy? <bones> Antsy? In what way? <UncleJohn> Dan, do you think a Messiah would need to work miracles? <smokey> well dan i admire your equinimity <dan> ok...then shut up and listen....possibly even learn..... <bones> Ah. Control. <starry> "shut up and Listen" wtf? <dan> miracles....one trick pony....save world.....first trick is be the candidate of 3 Magi.... <smokey> too catholic again <dan> hey, i more catholic than the Pope.... <smokey> hahahah. i see that! <smokey> but he wears a nicer dress <UncleJohn> Dan, do you spend much time meditating? <Nemo492> But then again "candidate of the 3 Magi.." How do you know ? <dan> very true...dress...nice...can I get one of them....?? <smokey> victoria's secret has em on special <dan> candidate.....check with the R&D show..... <Caryn> Full circle! <Nemo492> that's no answer.. <bones> Yer not gonna get an answe, Nemo. <dan> what answer would you like...or accept....?? <smokey> thsi is becoming all too evident <Nemo492> Just try another one ! <smokey> but- you're a nice guy, nonetheless <UncleJohn> Wouldn't a Messiah have to answer questions with a straight answer and not beat around the bush? <dan> let's see.....because Sophie said so...... <starry> dan what do you think will trigger the "paradigm inversion?" <smokey> please don't use the word 'bush.' <bones> >UJ> At worst, he'd offer methaphors and parables. <dan> trigger == me & 3 Magi... <smokey> well ya gotta admit- that's pretty messiah-like <dan> ...and all the rest of you guys and gals..... <starry> and if I understand you right the 3 Magi are EBE's? <dan> right... <UncleJohn> Do you think your behavior will change if you end up being the Messiah? <dan> ....EBE1,2&3. <Caryn> 3 alleged EBE's <starry> arn'e the three EBE's referenced supposedly dead? - (if not, where did I misread that?) <smokey> all well and good, but i still don't see the need for the angelic host- i.e. the CIA <dan> change....sorry......WYSIWYG.....no change in protocol is allowed.....'round here...mama says... <smokey> we have a protocal?? <UncleJohn> Have you met anyone that would accept you as a Messiah? <smokey> or was that question, in itself, a change in protocol? <dan> cia......its about clandestine preparations...9/11.....etc.....repeating myself.... <bones> Messiah equals Anointed One. Foundation of the practice goes back to ancient royal lineages. <UncleJohn> Do you think that 9/11 was an inside job? <smokey> dan- yes you've said that. but it's a singularly unsatisfactory answer <dan> met anyone...heck no...I would think they were crazy...would not talk to them..... <bones> Used oil from the tail of crocs. <Nemo492> For preparations to take place, then the PTB had to consider YOU were on your way, Dan <smokey> 'any club that would have me as a member i wouldn't want to join? <dan> this is not about acceptance....it is just about the dialog......monolog is stupid.... <starry> when one of my old housemates (Princeton - I think) thought he was a Messiah they gave him more lithium ~just saying <bones> So...if he's the Messiah, Gardner and De Vere may have an argument on their hands. ) <dan> club? ...true...would never join..... <UncleJohn> What percentage of the population is going to accept the Messiah for it considered to be a success? <smokey> me either <dan> 0% is success... <garuda> Let's slow down people - too many questions at once <bones> That was supposedly the problem on the forum. <starry> so you are sort of a Messiah "strawdog?' <bones> Here, he's counting on the confusion and short attention spans. <smokey> someone oughta go back to the forum and schlepp the rest of the idiots over here <UncleJohn> With 0% acceptance, what change in humanity will be seen when the Massiah is selected? <dan> smokey neither.....thank goodness....how scary would that be....! <dan> Acceptance? accept that this dialog may be the best way to cut to the chase..... <smokey> hahahah pretty damned scary! <bones> Wy not dialog onna forum? <dan> it is much too slow.....the page gaps get stupid...etc.... <smokey> jesus, bones- this is much better <smokey> agree <bones> dialog is dialog <dan> bones likes to belly-ache... <UncleJohn> Kind of reminds me of an old Zero song: "Hero to Zero." <bones> Ah. Control again. <smokey> pass around the chill pills <dan> hero to zero.....(R)....great! <bones> First he told me to shut up, now he trying to gain some support by making aspersions. <smokey> gyro to zorro <UncleJohn> I still having a hard time relating the Messiah thing to the ET disclosure thing? <Nemo492> Please Caryn, where did you get Dan's pic that's on your Blog ? <dan> shut-up...let's stick with that...IMHO.... <starry> Dan - looking out my window here... do the chemtrails have anything to do with the "paradigm inversion?" <dan> shut-up...let's stick with that...IMHO.... <starry> Dan - looking out my window here... do the chemtrails have anything to do with the "paradigm inversion?" <bones> Ah. Control the dialog. <dan> chemtrails.....evidently they do with your inversion...and my sister's..... <starry> women? how so? <Caryn> Pic? That was taken in SF. Gary had a copy of it. <dan> Bones......you and I need to duke it out...one on one....for posterity....or not at all.....otherwise you just piss in the soup... <UncleJohn> Dan, are you going to do web chats like this if you are selected the Messiah? <bones> You couldn't keep up with me onna forum, Dan. <dan> WYSIWYG................... <bones> There it is for posterity. <dan> bones.............not with you and 20 others pissing at the same time....... <bones> For several pages it was just you and I. You couldn't keep up. <garuda> gentlemen, please settle this later and elsewhere? <bones> I don't likew chat 'cause I'm not much of a typist. I'm not very fast. <dan> ok.....bones...if you insist...and the others agree....it's just you and me, baby...... <smokey> better than starry <bones> Dan, I'm no the one who is insistent. <dan> neither am i...bones....then talk on skype record mode..... <UncleJohn> Dan, where did you get the idea that the magi were EBE1,2,3? <Nemo492> May be Bones, you would be candidate for another one+one Skype interview... <dan> wait UJ....we need to get bones to put up or shut up..... <bones> Dan...The facts have already been presented on the forum. Why do you want to do this? <garuda> Here's a suggstion for bones and dan: start a new thread in the forum after this chat, and slug it out there, for posterity to see <Caryn> John, Dan gave them the title of Magi... <dan> if it's over for you...then it's over for you.....so shut the f*ck up..... <smokey> hahahahah <smokey> this is absurd <bones> I've been rather calm all along, folks. <dan> sure...I'll go with Garuda...... <bones> Why do you want to do this, Daan? <dan> ....one on one in a special forum..... <bones> Actually, Dan, it was your suggestion. <dan> I'm trying to acceed to your wishes.... <smokey> just fcuking do it <UncleJohn> Thanks caryn. What is your relationship with dan? <dan> bones....yes or no.....then shut up..... <Caryn> Good question! <smokey> hey john! watch yer step! <bones> Dan. I can do it and hand you your ass. The problem is...you aren't intelligent enough to know when you've had your ass handed to you. <dan> that too damn bad for you....bones... <starry> Dan why do you have this problem with bones? <smokey> let's be fair, starry- the grudge is mutual <dan> he just keeps baiting....there is no dialog.....he just pisses in the soup.....I will meet him on his own terms...but will not continue here until he leaves..... <smokey> and caryn, wipe the popcorn crumbs off your chin and get in the ball game <UncleJohn> Dan, have you ever thought about how the Messiah thing would be accepted by the Muslims and Buddhists? <dan> of course.... <bones> I don't have a grudge. I just ask uncomfortable questions. <starry> sigh -convenient way to not answer anyone else's Q's... <UncleJohn> Well then - What are your thoughts on this? <Caryn> Oops..yes, sorry Smokey...had nodded off there in fact. <dan> The islamists expect the Mahdi to come back with Jesus.... <smokey> yeah but what about the followers of the fat guy under the tree? <dan> Jesus = Mahdi = Maitreya = Messiah =?? <Nemo492> Bouddhists would have no problem, only for Dan to call himself Maitreya, and of course be an all-compassing Enlightened One. <dan> Buddha comes back as Maitreya.... <dan> Buddha comes back as Maitreya.... <smokey> buddha, jesus, mahdi- none of are coming back <UncleJohn> Dan, have you ever had the experience of feeling that Jesus was in your presence? <dan> Maitreya = laughing Buddha? <garuda> (just to inform you all that I've created a thread in the "show time" board called Bones Vs. Dan) <garuda> Maitreya is supposedly the returning Buddha <bones> Nemo> That's the very claim that he's making <garuda> (Second coming of Buddha) <dan> B&D show....thanks....I can hardly wait..... <Caryn> I'd like to know why you assume it would be a man? <smokey> returning to your local quickie mart <Nemo492> Well, Bones, then i can't buy it <dan> I don't assume anything..... <UncleJohn> I'd like to know why you assume it would be a biological being? <bones> He's already claimed on the forum that he's the only harbinger of Truth. <dan> messiah = biological.... <smokey> selling beer requires hands <smokey> that implies biology, no? <UncleJohn> Couldn't the Messiah be Artifical Intelligence? <dan> messiah = political entity.....JC1 failed....jc2 has to succedd.... <smokey> holy crap! a proponent of the Borg! <Nemo492> First sign for Delusion crisis is ME and Others <bones> bingo. <dan> and? <smokey> well now, back to unity. solipsism raises it's spectre once again <UncleJohn> Dan, how many hours have you spent talking with your cia contact? <dan> 1,000 + conversations...meetings....etc... <smokey> (i think he meant dualism...) <UncleJohn> Dan, what percentage of that time was small talk? <bones> For some people, solipsism becomes their only reality. <dan> most of it... <smokey> for all people, actually <bones> Well...that's a point. <UncleJohn> can you give us some examples of the small talk? <bones> For some people, solipsism becomes their only reality. <dan> most of it... <smokey> for all people, actually <bones> Well...that's a point. <UncleJohn> can you give us some examples of the small talk? <dan> aviary gossip....mostly.... <smokey> holy maitraiya, i can't take this <garuda> and that's the small talk? <UncleJohn> what did the aviary think of mj12? <dan> Collins likes MJ.....most of the others remain agnostic.... <starry> funny aside - I am hanging my crucifix collection while we chat)
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Re: Bones vs. Dan « Reply #5 on May 13, 2007, 8:07pm »
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[Sun May 13 18:45:15 CEST 2007] bones <smokey> rightside up, i hope <bones> Never used bravenet as a chat before... <UncleJohn> Does the mj12 rule the gov intelligence agencies? <dan> yes....imho.. <starry> always smokey -they are an art form <UncleJohn> Do you think that 9/11 was an inside job? <dan> yes..... <smokey> ya, well then there was maplethorp <UncleJohn> Did you ever discuss 9/11 with your cia contact? <dan> we were there together.... <UncleJohn> where? <UncleJohn> You were with your cia contact the morning of 9/11? <dan> the week before and after...planning for an 'important meeting...my other sister on the tarmac at Logan....8 am....9/11... <dan> he called me on the special line at about 10:30 am <bones> Gotta scoot. Miles to go and chores to complete before I sleep. <dan> it's been swell...bones..catch you on the B&D show..... <UncleJohn> That's amazing dan. What was that conversation like and about? <dan> he was the last in his evacuated building...watching the smoke rise over the pentagon.... <UncleJohn> Did he give any clue that he knew what was going on? <dan> he made it sound amusing...I was desperate to know where Deborah was..... <dan> he would not answer.....but the message was not to worry....it was not all as it seemed....it was all OK... <smokey> like the dancing israelis? what was that about? <garuda> Israelis? You mean palestinians? <dan> ?? <smokey> no. the israeli movers who watched it from new jesey <smokey> remember that? <UncleJohn> When did you come to believe that 9/11 was an inside job? <Nemo492> on top of a van... <smokey> yes <smokey> what the hell was the story with that? <dan> when?? right then and there.....10:30 am... <smokey> inside job at who's behest? <UncleJohn> Took me a week. Didn't it make you mad? <smokey> three thousand dead and the reaction was bemusement? <dan> mad?.....no....cosmic drama...basically in the hands of God....as usual....but now more obvious... <smokey> then god was the inside guy? <dan> bemusement.....well, perhaps like Buddha.... <UncleJohn> So you atributate 9/11 to God? <dan> everything under the sun is us & God... <smokey> dan. for crissakes. you're not god <dan> ...us WITH God..... <smokey> only god could have been bemused <dan> we are all God....that is my only real message....... <UncleJohn> There are a lot more beings than just us out there. <smokey> ok <smokey> that's an unarguable point <smokey> because it's a priora <dan> more beings.....maybe only a few million more.....Serpo...etc.... <smokey> priori <UncleJohn> You did say the hands of God. Hands are used to manipulating things. <dan> manipulation.........sure... <UncleJohn> What led you to believe that this universe contained only a few million more beings than humans? <smokey> hang on. more on 9/11. who benefitted in your estimation? <dan> anthropic principle & immaterialism & monism, etc.... <dan> benefit? big prep for disclosure......final time check...etc... <UncleJohn> I don't see the relationship? <smokey> neither do i <dan> simple,...watson.... <UncleJohn> Did you ever discuss Serpo with your cia contact? <smokey> although it did establish a universal mood... <dan> RP said serpo was a dia job..... <smokey> and in my worldview god, herself, is mood <UncleJohn> Did RP say serpo was disinfo or true? <dan> god = mood = gut intuitions...etc.. <smokey> yes <smokey> no doubt about that <dan> didn't say,...just said dia involvement... <smokey> mood is the ether of the universe <smokey> do we agree on that? <dan> true enuf... <UncleJohn> Did you ever read Michael Wolf's book "Catchers of Heaven?" <smokey> (in spite of einstein) <dan> me...no.. <smokey> and then all of reality is enfolded within and enfuse by mood? <dan> einstein == idiot savante ... me = idiot.... <UncleJohn> How many UFO/ET books have you read? <smokey> me bigger idiot <dan> books...a few dozen... <dan> can't remeber her darn name.... <smokey> if the Eth is true then all actual entities are in continual correspondence with all actual occasions <dan> yes...akashic kind of stuff....the Monad... <smokey> and all possibilities occur at once and eternally <dan> something like that...sure... <smokey> order is a function of time which a human artifice, no? <dan> but the sum total.....the Path of least action = BPW.....Leibniz. <smokey> so 'everything wouldn't happen at once' (einstein) <smokey> but for leibnitz is was a question of will <smokey> and yet for god it is a question of imagination <dan> Metanarrative......Like symphony...we can Grok at one moment....Beetovens 5/9 etc... <smokey> whiteheadian analysis <smokey> reality is abstraction from the continuum <dan> will and imagination spring from the same vital source... <smokey> no. there i dissagree <UncleJohn> Did you ever discuss with you cia contact how many different ET groups he thought were visiting earth? <smokey> will is subsumed by imagination and is therefore inferior to it <garuda> Interesting question UJ! <dan> we never had such discussions....never abstract or speculative...that was my job...his was to facilitate but not interfere or contaminate the source... <smokey> as an ontological matter there can only be one substance <smokey> and it is the Eth <dan> three persons ...one substance....10^10 persons all in one Monad... <smokey> perhaps <smokey> but the 3 are subsumed by Eth <dan> sorry...Eth?? <smokey> and so the big bang is in actuality a future event <UncleJohn> What was the extent of your discussion with your cia contact concerning ET's? <smokey> Eth (ethics/ ether) the root concept <dan> Alpha = Omega.....mental apkatastasis.... <dan> Eth = Ommmmm.... <smokey> yes <dan> Eth = the ten thunders of Joyce?? <smokey> alpha and omega are the two principles of Dialectic <dan> true <smokey> yes <Caryn> Nice line of thought there Smokey! <smokey> the synthesis precedes the thesis and the antithesis. <smokey> Kant had an inkling of that but he was a tad to lutherin to accept the consequences <smokey> as in synthetic a priori <dan> ok...too lutheran...that's good..... <smokey> because the consequence is the borg <smokey> ...unfortunately <dan> borg???...sorry.... <Caryn> Synthesis <smokey> caryn- this has morphed into a lovey conversation <smokey> synthesis is the outcome of the dialectic <UncleJohn> What was the extent of your discussions with your cia contact concerning ET's? <smokey> the only questions have to do with teleology. that's wher dan and i get tangled <dan> I said...virtually zero... <dan> what about the Telos?? <UncleJohn> Thanks <smokey> infused with christian mythos <UncleJohn> Did you ever discuss the purpose or focus of the aviary? <smokey> that just adds extra baggage <Caryn> Synthesis is Dan's Apokatastasis <smokey> sure <dan> right.. <smokey> it is mine as well <smokey> we simply paint it differently <garuda> Where all of that is flawed is that it presumes reality is dualistic in nature... <smokey> but ultimately it is the same <Caryn> Yes..I agree <Caryn> No dualism <smokey> g- no. if synthesis precedes thesis and antithesis then it subsumes duality <Caryn> Yes <garuda> ergo your synthesis is incorrect <dan> no dualism....just dialog....just dialectic.... <dan> Hegel's dialectic.... <smokey> the trinity is a metaphorefor this concept <dan> yes.....hegel too.... <smokey> out of thre (the dialectical principles) one <dan> thesis, antithesis...syn... <smokey> three <smokey> all of western philosophy is a footnote to plato! (whitehead) <dan> but hegel was pantheist....against all other reason.... <smokey> plato identified the principle of god <smokey> it is dialectic <dan> plato was a deist...too bad... <UncleJohn> From another interview: DS: "I began to network with some of the folks in the UFO community who were interested in sharing information."UJ: Did you discuss ET's with this group? <smokey> hegel was also a platonist <dan> they both missed the boat... [Sun May 13 19:29:44 CEST 2007] Ken <smokey> and for hegel the zeitgeist is the syntestic a priori <smokey> synthetic <dan> ets of course... <garuda> Hi Ken, welcome back. The discussion has become rather metaphysical (literally) <Ken> kewl <smokey> damn- the entire discussion just vanished <Ken> easy <smokey> too bad. this is better than sex <Caryn> Nothing wrong with the metaphysical....Smokey and Dan are doing a good <Caryn> job <Nemo492> The whole discussion is being saved for publication on OM... <Ken> right on <dan> The discussion scroll seems to reset after a while....is there an Akashic recording of this??? <smokey> anyway- dan. <dan> oh..ok... <Caryn> I simply object to the mixing in of erroneous data <garuda> I've got all of it thus far, except for one line from Starry <Caryn> I simply object to the mixing in of erroneous data <dan> errors? <smokey> i know where you're coming from and our dissagreements are political (human) in nature. in regards to pure thought- we share a common paradigm <Caryn> I've also saved some of this btw <garuda> A thought: Plato's grotto allegory... he saw the collective dreamfield! <smokey> ahhhh plato! <dan> yes...plato....but no living god.....no flesh....that was JC's bag.... <smokey> who knows? <dan> knows what?? <smokey> once again- too catholic <smokey> jesus was plato's poet <Caryn> Ooo that's rather nice! <smokey> chew on that thought while you mow your lawn! <smokey> hahahh caryn- i love you too! <dan> or Plato was J's poet?? <smokey> well- either way- we have the poetry <dan> Plato talked...J acted.... <Ken> When Jesus returns I don't want to be standing near smokey... <garuda> (not after what his cat did, anyway) <smokey> jesus did not act <dan> poetry = dialectic <smokey> he taught <smokey> well yes and no. i believe that poetry is abstrcted from dialectic <dan> Socrates taught...Plato monologued <UncleJohn> Dan, in your conversations with other aviary members, did you discuss <UncleJohn> ET's <smokey> i use the two as interchangable <dan> some....there has been litle convo with other birds... <smokey> feel free to substitute Socrates for any mention of plato. <dan> Ron scared the other birds away... <dan> they all hated him.... <garuda> why / how did he scare them away? <Caryn> From you that's for sure <UncleJohn> What ET subjects did you discuss with the other birds? <dan> Ron had the smith franchise.... <UncleJohn> The agent smith frachise from the matrix movies? LOL <dan> talk to other birds....very little....mainly rick...then with kit...just in the last few months... <Caryn> There is a little confirmation from one of the Birds in TT5 John, if that's what your looking for? <smokey> well the dialectic reached an elevated state. And that made my Sunday. <UncleJohn> is TT5 on the OM forum? <dan> starstream <smokey> thank you dan and caryn <Caryn> It did....Shadow. You two should take that up on the forum. <dan> are you leaving? <smokey> well i was contemplating it <dan> whichever... <garuda> TT5= http://starstreamresearch.com/trickster_tales_5.htm <smokey> want me to hang out? <dan> sure...why not... <UncleJohn> What I'm looking for is how broad a discussion was there about ET's between aviary members. <Caryn> Fairly broad <dan> yes...sure...broad...but I was not privy... <Ken> compartmented control <Caryn> They're looking for the data...just like you and I..to put in succinctly. <dan> yeh....I was in Ron's compartment... [Sun May 13 19:46:52 CEST 2007] smokey <dan> hey...smokey...where have you been all this time...I was beginning to miss you.... <smokey> yeah- jesus- tossed of a gain. but i was in the process of saying that i've loved this (important) stoney rap. <UncleJohn> Was there any commonly accepted ET reality discussed among aviary members or was it mostly all speculation? <dan> core story...that's about it....all the rest is out here... <smokey> dan is at the very least a master of equanimity- and at best a very smart guy. our diffeneces are, in a sense, minor. and they can be couched in christian terms. <dan> ok...couch them, smokey... <UncleJohn> Is the core story just about EBE1,2,3? <dan> yes...that's it.... <Ken> no mention of serpo? <smokey> that jesus said that we must be born again- i accept. that plato said that knowledge is a function of forgetting- i accep also- and assume that that is exactly what jesus had in mind. <garuda> including an exchange program? <Caryn> No Serpo or exchange program..... <dan> serpo...sort of...3 of ours went there...I put that out in c.'96... <dan> yes...was exchange.... <Caryn> Not part of the Core Story Dan <garuda> EBE 1, 2, and 3: invited? <Caryn> No proof of an exchange...let's not go down this same old assumption route! <garuda> Let's start with EBE 1 2 and 3 <garuda> Crash survivors? Invited? <dan> i just put out what rick told me about exchange.... <Caryn> Yes, well....you know what I think about that! <dan> too bad.... <garuda> Can either one of you, Dan or Caryn, answer with regard to EBE 1 2 and 3 <dan> about what? <Caryn> Too bad? promulgating crap just looses you credance <garuda> About whether they were crash survivors? Invited? or what? <garuda> visitors from the future? <Caryn> There is not enough evidence - it would only be speculation. <smokey> dan is a much more learned philosopher than i. but i cite some popular philosophers in making my point. dewey, locke, whitehead, socrates, kant, bergson, baerkeley, sartre. vonnegut, jesus.... <UncleJohn> What is a Smith Frachise? <dan> rick is my baby.... <Caryn> I doesn't like his daddy <UncleJohn> rick is my baby? <dan> good list...smokey....i'll go with each of them... <Ken> toy?? <Caryn> Should be He doesn't <Caryn> Rick was giving you the info Dan.not the other way around.. <UncleJohn> For how long did you talk with rick and when? <dan> i like to cuddle rick... <Caryn> LOL...bet he loves that too. <smokey> i knew you would <Caryn> Yes, good list Smokey! <dan> back mainly 97-98....tippecanoe...colby and hale-bopp...too... <UncleJohn> Smith franchise? <Caryn> And look where that led <smokey> and, of ourse, i had more to say. but i'm just an old cat trainer needing a rehearsal of the linoleum spin. <dan> franchise.....sure.....could be everything or nothing.....depending on the time of day and how much COOH.... <smokey> vaya con carne, crew. be kind and be funny or be gone. <smokey> cs <Ken> chow smokster <dan> c'ya.... <Caryn> I need to go get some writing done. Play nice guys. <UncleJohn> Do you still have much contact with rp? <dan> ciao, Caryn....be good... <Caryn> And you Mr...later. <dan> k <dan> rp....sure...as much as ever.....3 times some days....that's about the record..... <dan> or once in 3 years...that was the HIATUS around 9/11.... <UncleJohn> Could you ask rp what he knows about the Burisch story or his opinion on this? <dan> I've already told everything he will have to say on that topic.... <Ken> Was Dan B an MJ12 ?? <UncleJohn> Burisch reported mj12 disolved recently and was replaced by a new group. Any info on this? <dan> how the heck would I know? <UncleJohn> rp might know <Ken> will you ask him? <dan> I don't ask...he volunteers...that's the protocol <garuda> Which leads us to another interesting question: how much is RP in the loop as far as ET is concerned? <dan> he will have nothing more to say about DB... <dan> mark my word....DB is finished.... <garuda> Your words are marked! <garuda> (I've just saved everything again) <dan> so are rick, bob c., maybe Kit,...etc.... <Ken> finished in disclosure??? <dan> yes..... <Ken> or life <dan> not if they know what is good... <Ken> so they are done for sure in disclosure? <dan> IMHO...... <Ken> thanks Danm <Ken> Dan <Ken> oooops <dan> close.... <garuda> OK, they're out. Who's in? <dan> R&D are the last chicks flying..swimming... <Ken> so we are close to the end <Ken> few years or so????????? <starry> so-- how do these folks, rick, Bob c, DB - get the gig in the first place? Is it the psych training?training? <dan> all you have to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time.....very simple.... <starry> I can relate... <Ken> where is the right place and time? <garuda> anywhere that's not the wrong place and time, I would imagine <dan> well...if this dialog continues....it will be the hinge...i would imagine...the fulcrum for moving the world....that is the plan...IMHO.... <UncleJohn> Are you saying that they UFO/ET gov control groups have been disbanned? <dan> R&D is the swan song for the Insiders..... <starry> do you think BMac on the Gov payroll - currently? <dan> This is how they xfer the keys to the Kingdom Come.... <dan> BMac is contractor of some kind.... <starry> thanks <garuda> What do you think people? Any more questions at this stage? <dan> right place....here, now....of course..... <dan> or not.... <UncleJohn> I've long envisioned having a data base that tracks the needs and desires of all humans. Do you see this as a good thing? <dan> at your disposal...of course.... <dan> a prayer log...rug??? <UncleJohn> Wouldn't a massiah need this data base to keep track of the flock? <garuda> Messiahs that need databases? <dan> internet is a magic carpet....better than any other.... <starry> I'll say -- the internet... <dan> fleshy messiahs....sure...why not... <dan> where would any messiah be w/o google??? <garuda> on yahoo <dan> has there ever been a better Genie? <dan> yahoo being bought by Billy G?? <starry> the be careful what you wish for type? <UncleJohn> Not on this planet, but for sure, better Genie's on many, many worlds <Ken> Time for some sunshine ! Have a great day everyone! <dan> yes, but this is the center of Creation...dont'ya know??? <dan> been great, Ken.... <garuda> C U later Ken <starry> by ken <UncleJohn> this is not the center of Creation. Anything eternal doesn't have a center. <dan> this is not eternal....certainly not Creation.... <dan> Alpha / Omega <dan> JC >>> I am the Alpha and the Omega.... <dan> he is the hinge.... <dan> he & the cross... <starry> what is you thought on the symbolism of the cross, dan? <dan> if JC did not his the nail on the head...no one willl... <dan> cross = crux <dan> X marks the spot.... <dan> we'd look damn funny w/o it... <starry> ? <dan> X is the center of the 4-d cosmos....and most any other... <dan> X was the Great Work...as in alchemy and transubstantiation... <starry> so the crux is 4d? <dan> 5d? <dan> 6d? <starry> ok.. learning here. <dan> go ahead...fire away... <UncleJohn> do you see technology continuing to be developed after the disclosure is public? <starry> ( I need to absorb...) <dan> Tech? it will begin to take the back seat to the Spirit.... <garuda> (just for the joke of it: maybe you should change your screen name to spongey then?) [Sun May 13 20:38:10 CEST 2007] smokey <garuda> (Kidding) <garuda> Welcome back smokey <starry> (at one point it was crux) <smokey> crux <UncleJohn> Will the devil be a part of the spirit? What is satans future in all of this? Will temptation go away? <dan> Satan only gets bit parts... <smokey> is that a real question? <dan> fewer in the future...we should imagine.... <smokey> hahahaha <UncleJohn> Will the Bush dyanisty end? <dan> temptation? That is the Apoka..... <dan> our final TEMPTATION....the one we cannot refuse... <smokey> is it ok to chategorize uncle john as a big putz? <dan> putz?? what again??? <smokey> just asking <starry> I don't think so -- define big putz <UncleJohn> Chategorize? That's a malatrop for sure. <dan> not bad... <UncleJohn> Chat ego rize? <UncleJohn> I weigh over 200 lbs, so you got the big right. <dan> still better... <dan> no not the lbs... <UncleJohn> Do you see a Startrek or Starwars type future for humanity? <dan> startrek = council of nine == planet of choice...thhey got that right... <UncleJohn> Dan, have you read much Science Fiction? <garuda> (not as much as he wrote... - Kidding!!!) <dan> starwars?.....its like Haiti....the boat people all try to come here....>>> pop'n explosion...but that is about finished.... <dan> SF...not a heck of a lot... <UncleJohn> Dan, do you believe the in council of nine stuff and is it still continuining? <dan> Planet of choice is all I know...but that was a bigee.. <dan> last one standing...do I get a prize??? <UncleJohn> All my fans are waiting for this question! Dan, have you ever heard of a Rife Machine? <dan> never... <UncleJohn> My God, you have led a sheltered life! <dan> why not? <starry> LOL -- we have perseverance <dan> hands on a hard body... <dan> a documentary <UncleJohn> I suggest you google both Rife Machine and Smiling Forehead. <dan> I can feel it... <dan> wilco.... <starry> documentary? <smokey> 200 pounds? <UncleJohn> I learned a very important thing from pointing out chemtrails to over a 1000 random people. <smokey> that's a lot of big macs <UncleJohn> more like a lot of wine <dan> rife machnine = medical scam??? <smokey> nah. big macs <UncleJohn> the rife machine is no scam. I assure you of that. Got rid of my wife's arthritus. <dan> smiling forehead = Sufi...Khan... <UncleJohn> yes <dan> my guru is a Sufi.... [Sun May 13 20:55:09 CEST 2007] smokey <UncleJohn> good <smokey> is she a heifer too? <dan> well...my montana sister is into most every alt med that came down the pike...and she is older and healthier than me.... <dan> but then she does not have to do hands on a hard body.... <smokey> yeah but uncle john is a record breaker (...) <smokey> john, are you a fat guy? <dan> all I know is why...i don't know what or how.... <smokey> how tall are you? <smokey> fat is disgusting. hope you're not there! <UncleJohn> Wikipedia: Heifer: A term of endearment or an insult usually in reference to a woman who is fat. <smokey> yeah <dan> are you a woman? <smokey> of course. good observation <dan> wow! <UncleJohn> I think smokey was asking if your sister was fat? <dan> aunt joan? <smokey> looks like the uncle is a big mac <UncleJohn> I'm typing on a mac mini. <dan> i don't think that was to my suster.... <smokey> nah <smokey> it was john's wife <UncleJohn> was it your guru? <UncleJohn> leave my wife out of this. <smokey> i can't handle fat people <smokey> they make me gag <starry> what are some of your other sock puppet names smokey? <dan> well, smokey...you have to try everything....or you ain't lived.... <dan> well, smokey...you still have a lot to learn about life... <smokey> boycotteverything, cartoonsyndicate, toon, and i forget! hahahah <UncleJohn> Anyway, thanks for the pointer to Heifer International. I've never heard of it and it is right down my alley. <starry> i thought that was a person called Kim? no? <smokey> yeah <smokey> i'm kim <starry> ok <dan> hands on a hard body....how do they stay awake??? <dan> who is Kim? <smokey> me is kim <dan> i gathered that much... <UncleJohn> I have no idea what "hands on a hard body" means? Can you expand on this? <smokey> haahha <smokey> good work <dan> why so many personas....??? <dan> hard body...see movies...google.... <smokey> because i keep getting banned <garuda> ;-) <dan> are you shawnna??? <garuda> LOL <smokey> jesus no <UncleJohn> LOL <smokey> shawna is my biggg enemy <dan> well, then you can't be all bad.... <UncleJohn> shawnna thinks that dan is from the ruling families <dan> i'm not??? <smokey> well he is <smokey> shawna and i go back a ways <dan> my dear departe dad had his nose pressed against their window...on xmas.... <dan> it was a little sad...dont'ya think... <smokey> i do think that <smokey> a dad is a dad is a dad <dan> sure <UncleJohn> Hands on a hard body: 24 contestants compete in a endurance/sleep deprivation contest to win a brand new Nissan Hardbody truck <smokey> sadness is a mood <starry> and some dads arn't <smokey> i know this, starry <dan> well, they all try..sometimes....ask me... <dan> most of us are dads..too... <smokey> at some given time we need to overcome our fathers <UncleJohn> dan, were/are you married and did you have kids? I'm married but no kids. <dan> uj....bingo... <dan> sleep dep...here we come.... <smokey> nah <dan> kid.... <garuda> Gentle people, this has been an interesting 5 hours of chat. <garuda> I'll leave it at this <dan> well....one of us will be left standing...which one??? <UncleJohn> Good, now that we have lost our logging I can ask the serious questions! <garuda> Nemo are you still recording? <starry> where do you hang out in DC -- I am homesick for the place <garuda> ;-) <Nemo492> Yes Garuda, except for 5 lignes <dan> yes...let's do keep an akashic record... <garuda> great. talk to you all later... <starry> by garuda <UncleJohn> bye <dan> dc...I used to go to Sidwell <smokey> little plaints in the void. saved! <starry> high school/ <smokey> dan- take care, bro <dan> then i went to Alexandria Grill... <dan> now I go to Clarendon Grill... <UncleJohn> I lived in Washington area 66-68. <dan> this is down to 5.... <dan> i was there .....53 <UncleJohn> Who do you think is in charge of the Akashic records? <dan> um....just on a need to know.... <smokey> 4, 3, 2, 1..... bang! [Sun May 13 21:17:12 CEST 2007] CaliKid <starry> When I hung out in Clarendon the only thing there was the weenie beanie... <UncleJohn> What is on a need to know? <dan> oh dear...i thought we were winning... <UncleJohn> I need to know everything I can to make this universe a better place. <dan> times change....now it is MASINT.... > OK, i'm on my way, too... Bye! <dan> you're no too far off, IMHO...
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Re: Bones vs. Dan « Reply #11 on May 13, 2007, 9:24pm »
a record of longevity...in this age of cialis...etc....
zone of silence....i luv the sounds of silence....my old friend....i've come to talk with you again...
Because a vision softly creeping Left its seeds while I was sleeping And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of silence
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Re: Bones vs. Dan « Reply #14 on May 14, 2007, 4:48am »
Actually, I was doin' the whole personal hygiene, eat, sleep, and piddling around the house, stuff. I do have something resembling a life. That takes time out of my day that I could otherwise devote to you. Nothing against you. That's just the way things seem to be working at the moment.
'Sides. You're the one who wanted to do the whole mano-a-mano thing. so...I've been kinda waiting on that, too.
I haven't seen anything from you, here - as yet - that required a response.
Except for a few obscenities - and telling others to shut up - your performance in chat was admirable. I was impressed.
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