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‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Thread Started on Mar 16, 2009, 1:10am »
Ed Komarek and I had our first conversation, in a couple of years.
Ed and I are supposed to be poles apart, here at OM.
But early in the conversation, it turned out that we both spoke the language of Virtual Reality (VR).
Ed explained to me that, as a young man, he had started out with the Cosmic Questions concerning the meaning of life and death. He was particularly concerned with psychic phenomena. But gradually he began to focus on the UFO question, and, to keep it more focused, he deliberately dropped the Ultra-terrestrial part of his early interests.
The bridge back to the bigger picture came when, early in the conversation, I brought up the question of Virtual Reality.
Virtual Reality is not for every one, but it does provide a SECULAR context for discussing ideas that might otherwise get lost in the endless sectarian bickering.
Ed does not usually access the Internet from his home, and so I may continue to report on our telephone conversations.
Ed readily agrees that many of the highly strange ufo phenomena could more easily be explain in the context of VR. What could be more high-tech than VR?
Using VR as the backdrop to our conversation, we are then both able to take a more pragmatic view of the underlying questions that are so quickly shunted aside in conventional ufology.
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #2 on Mar 16, 2009, 2:11am »
Dylan,
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Exactly how does VR fit in?
Like, we are living in a literal virtual reality?
But then the question is, who is controlling it, and why would UFOs need to exist in a virtual reality.
Video gaming/virtual reality is a familiar medium to most of us.
Literal VR? We need concern ourselves only with the Software (design), not with the hardware. We can leave the questions about the hardware in 'brackets', for the scientists/physicists to deal with. There already exists a cottage industry of fringe physicists who are dealing with the several related issues of cosmology and the like. Some of these have already been mentioned in conversations with Gary Bekkum.
Who is controlling/programming the VR?
It could be anyone and everyone. It could be good guys or bad guys.
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #3 on Mar 16, 2009, 2:21am »
If you were the Programmer, how would you optimally design a Virtual Reality, knowing that there would be folks like you and me who would be spending real lifetimes in your VR.
Every VG/VR has levels of play. This was of particular concern to Ed.
To cut to the chase, Ed believes that disclosure should be a step-wise process. Disclosure should only be about the next level of the VR. This next level would include only ETs, like us.
Ed feels that we are not ready to jump up to any of the Ultra-terrestrial (UT) levels.
At this point in our conversation, Ed and I could start talking numbers………
Ed suggests that the average human should be allotted about 100 lifetimes to learn the ‘ET’ levels, before graduating to the UT levels.
And, right know, pre-disclosure, we are all at ET level 0, since most of us, unlike some of you, have never interacted with ETs.
Our Virtual Proficiency, a phrase introduced by Ed, on the spot, is the measure of our readiness to move to the next level of the game.
Ed envisioned that there could be several ET levels, say 10. Given 100 lifetimes to learn 10 levels, this would gives us 10 lifetimes for each to the ten ET levels.
Hey, this is starting to make sense!
But wait, you say? Is Danny losing his mojo? What happened to his dearly beloved Eschaton?
Uh, oh! It’s a good thing you caught me, before I gave away the Eschaton store!
You’ll just have to stay tuned to the Ed & Dan show……..
If you were the Programmer, how would you optimally design a Virtual Reality, knowing that there would be folks like you and me who would be spending real lifetimes in your VR.
Every VG/VR has levels of play. This was of particular concern to Ed.
To cut to the chase, Ed believes that disclosure should be a step-wise process. Disclosure should only be about the next level of the VR. This next level would include only ETs, like us.
Ed feels that we are not ready to jump up to any of the Ultra-terrestrial (UT) levels.
At this point in our conversation, Ed and I could start talking numbers………
Ed suggests that the average human should be allotted about 100 lifetimes to learn the ‘ET’ levels, before graduating to the UT levels.
And, right know, pre-disclosure, we are all at ET level 0, since most of us, unlike some of you, have never interacted with ETs.
(cont.)
Really?? Only here is the problem. We have some mighty big historical pyramids from past history that can not be explained.. They are there- go see.
Has Ed ever picked up the bible and read it ? Anyone who has---> knows about UT's. Don't sell the average bible thumper short ED. Oh and that would be a lot of people...
crossing place of the heaven and of the earth=Spirituality ??it's great to have an open mind not so open your brains fall out??
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #6 on Mar 16, 2009, 3:01am »
Nib, I think an insane asylum might be just as appropos. In my research for that next part of the article I want to put on ScarZ thread, witnesses accounts if taken literally, are so off the wall as to not have any bearing in our reality.
Nib, I think an insane asylum might be just as appropos. In my research for that next part of the article I want to put on ScarZ thread, witnesses accounts if taken literally, are so off the wall as to not have any bearing in our reality.
Rubber Room??? Hook us up ETH!! We can handle it!!!!!!!!!!
Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #9 on Mar 16, 2009, 3:13am »
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We're just talking Game theory in this thread.
The question of levels within virtual reality is reflected in video games. But not so much anymore. That was the thing that kept a person playing... the satisfaction of a challenge mastered.
Content was not so much an issue. Which made replayablilty not really an issue either.
Today, there are so many things to keep a person playing a game. Level of difficulty has to be perfectly balanced with content and replayability.
Today, content is king. You have Xbox downloadable content. You have extra map packs for games like call of duty and halo that dwarf by many times the money the game itself made during release. You have a game like rock band, where you can download hundreds, maybe even two thousand dollars worth of add-on songs, and I know many people who have almost all the songs.
This is the substitute for levels of difficulty within a videogame... which I am using as a facsimile for virtual reality. Content. And that's not even going into the obvious argument that follows of quantity and quality. Which would surprise Dan.
There are no levels in video games anymore. Its almost as if we have reached Dan's limits to growth idea in this relationship.
There are games like World of Warcraft that have more lateral content than upward content. And the impossibility of it being 'beaten'.
Online games where the intent is, yeah... competition. But moreso than that it is the social element that makes it successful. The competition and the content thereof takes a back seat.
Video games have really changed. And I doubt if anyone here really understands the evolution of video games. It is very interesting, however, that it was brought up, because I think Dan could use the various points to actually reinforce his theories. How weird is that? It almost makes me think Dan might be a closet Xbox-freak.
BUT. Levels are a thing of the past. One could argue that there is just more complexity to the way we see levels within any given hypothetical virtual reality world... like a video game.
But there isn't. Once the technology advanced to a certain point there was a fundamental change in the intent of the virtual reality. Away from getting you to play over and over and over again.... because you didn't have a choice... to getting you to enjoy the LIMITED time within that games reality.... because there is so much competition between virtual realities. I think this comparison is directly related to actual consciousness within OUR reality. There is so much to choose from.
So, contrary to what someone might think, there isn't really a legit comparison between levels of consciousness and levels of a virtual reality setting, at least not in the sense that getting to the final level of Mario World is like Nirvana. The comparison is on a much different level, and I think it speaks to Dan's idea of co-creation on a mass scale.
I could talk for hours.... I'll stop cuz i think people might think I was crazy.
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #10 on Mar 16, 2009, 2:49pm »
Dylan,
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BUT. Levels are a thing of the past. One could argue that there is just more complexity to the way we see levels within any given hypothetical virtual reality world... like a video game.
But there isn't. Once the technology advanced to a certain point there was a fundamental change in the intent of the virtual reality. Away from getting you to play over and over and over again.... because you didn't have a choice... to getting you to enjoy the LIMITED time within that games reality.... because there is so much competition between virtual realities. I think this comparison is directly related to actual consciousness within OUR reality. There is so much to choose from.
So, contrary to what someone might think, there isn't really a legit comparison between levels of consciousness and levels of a virtual reality setting, at least not in the sense that getting to the final level of Mario World is like Nirvana. The comparison is on a much different level, and I think it speaks to Dan's idea of co-creation on a mass scale.
Yes, now we’re talkin’…….!
Video gaming went beyond my skill-set back with King’s Quest V (Sierra, 1990) when I had to let my son and nephew take over! I continue to be most impressed with the development of the technology, which may have hit a bit of a plateau, of late. The raw computing power, even for a run-of-the-mill game nowadays, is staggering, especially looking back, not so very many years, to Pong (1972), which had its own magic.
But, yes, you do raise some of the philosophical issues that I am attempting to raise with Ed.
Regardless of the existence of ‘levels of play’ within the Totality, when it comes to Disclosure, once we introduced the concept of Levels, the public will immediately want to know about the Big Picture. Very few would be satisfied with Ed’s proposal for just a partial disclosure, i.e. only disclose the next ‘ET’ level of the game.
This piecemeal disclosure might have worked with the earliest video games, but it is not going to fly in the ‘real’ world, IMHO!
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #11 on Mar 16, 2009, 3:30pm »
Dan I don't think we should loose sight of the big picture (overall context) but keep it in the back of our minds as we focus and act on a plan to get from here to there.
I am talking about a seemless process but for conversation sake break it down into little steps. We need to focus on ending the cover-up and dealing with the other neighbors who are in the same prediciment we are in, then move on from there.
Nib: The extraterrestrial hypothysis pretty much accounts for much of the Bible I think especially the old testament. The accounts are very straighforward of human ETs talking and interacting with us lowly humans who are obviously being wowed by their superior technical powers. They don't seem much more ethical than us when they take it upon themselves to distroy whole cities at a whim?
I think that these bibilical ETs have some virtual proficiency but they don't seem to be all that different from us. If you read the bible carefully it seems that there were a number of gods fighting amongst themselves and involving mankind as proxies in the process. Same as we had in the 1800s with european colonization. Ed
I had a long phone conversation with Dan Smith known for his long time association and friendship with Ron Pandolfi a high ranking Washington insider with an interest in UFOs, Remote Viewing and other phenomena. Dan and I both seem to agree that we may exist in some kind of virtual reality universe into which we cycle on periodic basis from an even larger immaterial mega-universe.
In an interesting tidbit of synchronicity Uri Geller checked in with me via email yesterday and suggested I check out his new website. http://site.uri-geller.com/ Uri over the years has demonstrated over and over again just how malleable our so called “nuts and bolts” reality really is. I have not heard from Uri for years even though he is on one of my mailing lists.
My old skeptical friend Jim Moseley even watched Uri bend a spoon once and then continued to watch as the spoon continued to bend as it was passed around to others and to him. Eventually the spoon completely separated from the handle while it was being passed around. Uri told me by phone years ago of a contact experience he had when he walked into an extraterrestrial craft while his girlfriend watched from some distance away.
The immaterial mega-universe seems to be saturated with virtual reality universes that come and go, expand and contract, over billions of years and are themselves composed of nested 4D space-time parallel virtual worlds around both stars and planets in each universe. These universes seem to be created to support and further the evolution of untold numbers of individual and collective intelligences some of which have evolved to the point where they have become virtually proficient.
I think networks of intelligent beings create and maintain these virtual realities not an omnipotent autocratic God figure as Dan seems to believe. This perspective seems to be validated by NDE and OBE experiences and life regressions to the period between lifetimes. I think in the future we will look back and think of today’s western religions as an antiquated and quaint way of thinking about life, living and the universe.
By virtually proficient I mean these beings have developed the capacity to travel not only the distances between the stars and galaxies but between material universes and the immaterial mega-universe. What could only be previously be done by mega-universe travel to a virtual world and then incarnating into that world, can now be done by creation of virtual reality craft that ferry both the individual and the virtual body from one virtual world or universe to another.
Where Dan and I seem to differ is that Dan thinks that humanity is about to transition into a post virtual existence in mass on this planet within a period of decades. I very much disagree because I don’t think we can even begin to transition into a post virtual existence until we fully face and deal with the virtual challenges we have yet to deal with in this virtual universe. I think the transition is going to take place through an evolutionary process of many little steps. The first being the recognition of our virtual reality neighborhood and the challenges we are going to have to face with the other extraterrestrial races much like ourselves.
Then once we get to know and work with the neighbors we together will develop together capabilities of virtual proficiency. I think this will be a gradual evolutionary process that could accelerate once we can collectively reengineer out our imperfections in our virtual bodies rather that having to do it on a long term individual evolutionary basis.
I think that it’s important to realize that we are dealing with races of beings that have a wide range of evolutionary development and virtual reality proficiency. We are on the bottom rung of that range along with other races that like us are evolving beyond their home planets. The range seems to go all the way to races of beings that are so virtually proficient that they can move at will and on the spur of the moment between the mega-universe and various virtual universes without virtual craft to transport a body. They can simply travel at will to any virtual world and create any virtual body they desire to fit the immediate need to communicate with the natives of that world.
I think Dan is confusing the imminent demise of his virtual body and reemergence into the mega-universe with overall humanities continuing evolution within the virtual universe and eventual virtual proficiency. My guess is that it will take more than decades for mankind to develop the capability be able to instantly move freely and at will between the mega-universe and the virtual universes and the nested parallel 4D space-times even with virtual spaceship protection let alone capabilities beyond that.
I tell Dan let’s not put the cart before the horse. Let’s take things one step at a time. Perhaps we are here to assist in the transition in the first step toward virtual proficiency, the awareness that we have many virtual neighbors and karmic relationships to work out. We have collective virtual challenges to face like overpopulation, environmental degradation, and intra-species and extra-species wars and conflicts before we and the neighbors can take the next step to a post virtual existence.
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #12 on Mar 16, 2009, 3:35pm »
Nib here are some bibilical quotes that support the ETH. Ed
BIBLICAL QUOTES
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” Genesis 1:26
The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Genesis 6:2
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days – and also afterward – when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. Genesis 6:4
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance to his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by.” Genesis 18: 1
The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” Genesis 19: 1, 2
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither of your nor your fathers have know, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Deuteronomy 13: 6, 7, & 8
The angel of the Lord came and sat down under the oak in Ophrah that belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, where his son Gideon was threshing wheat in a winepress to keep it form the Midianites. Judges 6: 11
Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Wasn’t it three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” The replied, Certainly, O king.” He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the forth looks like a son of the gods.” Daniel 3: 24, 25
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. Kings 2: 11
I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north – an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. Ezekiel 1: 4
Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a loud rushing sound, May the glory of the Lord be praised in his dwelling place!, the sound of the wings of the living creatures brushing against each other and the sound of the wheels beside them, a loud rushing sound. The Spirit lifted me up and took me away. Ezekiel 3: 12, 13, & 14
“After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee ,” They said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1
The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He stuck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists. Then the angel said to him, “Put on your clothes and sandals.” And Peter did so. Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,” the angel told him. Acts 12: 6 & 7
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Re: ‘Virtual Proficiency’ - The Ed & Dan show « Reply #14 on Mar 16, 2009, 4:03pm »
Ed,
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I think Dan is confusing the imminent demise of his virtual body and reemergence into the mega-universe with overall humanities continuing evolution within the virtual universe and eventual virtual proficiency. My guess is that it will take more than decades for mankind to develop the capability be able to instantly move freely and at will between the mega-universe and the virtual universes and the nested parallel 4D space-times even with virtual spaceship protection let alone capabilities beyond that.
I tell Dan let’s not put the cart before the horse. Let’s take things one step at a time. Perhaps we are here to assist in the transition in the first step toward virtual proficiency, the awareness that we have many virtual neighbors and karmic relationships to work out. We have collective virtual challenges to face like overpopulation, environmental degradation, and intra-species and extra-species wars and conflicts before we and the neighbors can take the next step to a post virtual existence.
From the perspective of the imminent Disclosure, here is a very practical, political/religious problem that we will have to face immediately...........
Most of us humans labor under the impression that we will be able to enter Heaven, and be with God, as soon as we pass out of our present lives.
But now you want to tell them that their expectation is wrong………
They will have to live out many more lifetimes before that can get to Heaven!
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