General » General Discussion » NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=352 NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by greywolf on Feb 12, 2008, 7:55pm
Greetings to all: * I might have posted this(last night) in the wrong area (member forums) so I will post it here for passers by and members:
Greetings to all OMF Members. If you have heard that NASA has its own TV channel, which was set up to show the 'live feeds' of Shuttle launches and Space walks, as well as anyone interested in watching the development of the International Space Station; hold on for some important facts. Q: Did you know that NASA began as a 'public space information source' that strangely, one fateful day, became controlled by the Feds and is now considered a branch of the U.S. Government? Q: Did you further know that these 'live TV feeds' became 'delayed' some years back by at least nine (9) minutes? Did you also know that 9 minutes is enough time to 'edit out' or even 'edit in' some reality/unreality footages? 'Sure you know that. Q: Did you know that this 'time delay' of a.k.a. 'live feeds' was done after a Discovery mission made a strange 'discovery' when a miles-long tether broke off from the Shuttle while being videotaped by the Astronauts inside of Discovery where there was at least one 'Astronaut space walker,' that was so completely shocking, that this 'time delay' was put into place because there were some *very* smart people here on Earth recording every second/minute/hour/ of each and every launch, and or mission, over the years, which sometimes entailed many days of these missions that equaled boxes and boxes of videotapes (mostly in VHS and Super-VHS format) BEFORE the 'time delay' of the 'live feeds' had been put into place? Q: Did you know that this 'tether' was likened unto 'an antenna' of sorts, and its loss was a huge blow to NASA--and the tax-payers, of course, costing millions of dollars? Q: If I informed you that were are seen and hence 'recorded', some 'space ships' that easily measured between 3 to 7 miles wide? Are you still with me here? 'Take in a long, slow breath, and read on . . . Q: Did you know, if you are an American tax-payer, that you are paying the tab to have this a.k.a. 'live feed' edited and thereby 'delayed' at your own expense, which breaks the 'anti-trust laws' that you should be concerned about, if anything at all? Q: Is there any way to prove this 'time delay' of a formerly 'live feed,' you may ask? A: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes!
Let's discuss this, if you are interested . . . Thank you for your attentions herein. Greywolf
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by wade on Feb 12, 2008, 8:32pm
Hi, Grey. I've always assumed there was a built-in delay in the NASA feeds to the public. I would surmise some of the reason for that delay would be to keep any serious accidents from live public view, especially if they involved the death of astronauts.
I'm sure that it would also be handy for editing out UFOs.
The misapropriation of my tax dollars is NEVER a surprise.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 13, 2008, 2:40am
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Did you further know that these 'live TV feeds' became 'delayed' some years back by at least nine (9) minutes?
Where did you hear about this 9-minute minimum delay? Do they turn this off when they broadcast the ARISS communications?
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If I informed you that were are seen and hence 'recorded', some 'space ships' that easily measured between 3 to 7 miles wide?
Without a reference, size is difficult to determine. Most of these claims of 'space ships' (objects in NASA footage) lack such references. Also, these objects tend lack significant detail. Without either detail or size reference, the case is not compelling.
One of the only things left to look at is the seemingly anomalous movements of these objects. However, when scale is misidentified, the movement can easily be accounted for as a product of the interaction with the local environment (expelled material from the shuttle - such as water from the fuel cells).Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 13, 2008, 4:47am
there is reference ,Zen. The tether was the referance. Basically a ruler , of sorts. made it quite easy to give an approximate size estimation.
And no I didnt know about the delay greywolf, very interesting.. and not at all suprising!! lol
I watched that one tether incident a ton of times in a row.. and whatevr those things are.. they are HUGE!! and disapear and reappear and turn, etc.. lol
Id love to hear more about this whole NASA thing, and how they are now under the fascists wings. Are there any space programs who are independant from government? if not.... Where do we start raising the funds? lol Thanks greywolf, and again, I think its awesome your here at OMF!! Blessings, AndyRe: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 13, 2008, 5:47am
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there is reference ,Zen. The tether was the referance. Basically a ruler , of sorts. made it quite easy to give an approximate size estimation.
The assumption is that the objects are passing behind the tether, and therefore are large. However, the objects are actually very close to the camera, and in fact quite small. Because they are close to the camera, they appear relatively large and diffuse (due to being out of focus). Notice also that they clearly show the camera's aperture mechanism notch. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 13, 2008, 7:53am
How do ya know? they are showed passing underneathe the tether.. opposite side from which we see the tether... Nasa didnt tell you that did they? lol Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by greywolf on Feb 13, 2008, 8:20am
Greetings again OMF! BTW: I still haven't figured out how to 'reply' to each and everyone's reply-post, so please accept this one for all: Thanks to all who have posted a reply. At least we are talking. When the talking stops, we no longer learn from each other! To 'Wade' 'ZinMaster' 'OrIδn-Andy': Thank you and please let me give you the stats: * It was Columbia mission STS-75 in which the 12 mile long 'tether' was to be launched, when, suddenly, it broke off--right at what the Astronauts called, "Just at the right place," because if it had broken off anywhere else; it could've smashed into the wing of Columbia or at some other point, thus causing damage, possibly, unrepairable damage at that. This 12 mile long tether cost $100 million bucks and was thereby lost for all time. But, it was filmed by the crew of Columbia in a video obviously seen by Andy *BEFORE* NASA changed the location of their communication satellite to foil our seeing the missions 'live,' then they blatantly delayed what was to have been a 'public live feed' for all Americans and the world for that matter to view in 'real time,' as it happened. ** I agree that many would not want to see a space walker drifting off endlessly into outer space, yet, I think most of all adults could handle it if it did happen, or, they could just--change the channel. At 100 miles from Columbia, the tether could be seen as a long stick-like object. It was, after all, to have been an antenna of sorts, but think about a 12 mile long antenna! Gads. The mind boggles. Although while the crew of Columbia are filming the tether with their newly developed CCD cameras, dozens upon dozens of 'huge' 'space ships' pass around, under and over the tether. The largest one that I saw passed underneath the tether, and just by eyeballing it, the 'space ship,' that was classic circular in shape measured about 2/3s the length of the 12 mile tether, or, dare I say it; about about 7 to 8 miles wide!!! Gads, again. Of course, we all know what happened to Columbia: when it was a streaking in flames across and over my house heading easterly, debris fell in my backyard. I knew what it was, having worked at NASA. Please see: http://jasonleigh.org/tps.htm likely for more than enough information to validate this statement. Oh yes: we provide a direct link to NASA, and I am a registered free lance press member of NASA's daily to weekly news updates and have been for eight years. Think on this, and know that I would not lead you astray. It can all be proved. Greywolf Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 13, 2008, 8:46am
Thanks brother, much appreciated!.
and I know, by reading your work for some time now, and basically "getting to "know" you" through your words... that you are one who would definitely NOT lead us astray, and I Thank you for it , my friend!
I know alot of us know of your work, but for those that dont, you should really visit that link, Man, I say, everything you got, give it to us!! lol man, Im still stoked your here dude. lol
.How is your health treating you? I remember you said you have been under the weather for a bit, I hope its looking up for you bro, in fact, I know it will, if it is not already.
ahhh, yes, 12 miles!!! thats right.. not 1, what was I thinking? lol
yeah man, that biggest one was at least 7 or 8 miles wide, and asteroids dont just dissappear and reappear. and blink.
man, I cant wait for more material from you to be put up man. Im lovin it! Blessings, Love , Light and Unity. Andy
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 13, 2008, 12:56pm
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How do ya know? they are showed passing underneathe the tether.. opposite side from which we see the tether...
It is an optical illusion created by the nearby out-of-focus object.
Here's one showing an out-of-focus docking ring guide BEHIND the space station:
It's the exact same effect folks.
Here's an example of an out-of-focus light source showing a similar type of camera artifact as that claimed to be tether UFOs:
Light is shining inside the camera, bouncing off of the lens from behind, and revealing shadows of its mechanism in the out-of-focus object.
The long version of the explanation provided for the youtube video description (by a patient individual):
"A CCTV camera tracking an unknown light source in Little Hulton, UK on September 12th 1993. When out of focus, the object appears donut shaped with notches which shift according to it's position within the field of view. Notice also the onset of barrel distortion as the object approaches the optical periphery. The dark diagonal line is merely the shadow of a strand-like object immediately in front of the lens. Whatever the nature of the light source (probably nothing out of the ordinary), this footage is a classic demonstration of how anomalous objects can be conjured through improper use of a camera lens.
These camera artifacts are very similar to those present in NASA's STS-75 tether footage. The camera's zoom lens was probably similar in construction to NASA's MLA*, with 3 guide shafts supporting the lenses (1 vertically opposed to a close pair), and a rotating barrel with cam grooves which displaced the lenses along the optical axis. The notches are merely shadows of the lens guide shafts, and as the object moves vertically within the field of view, various combinations of upper and lower shafts impinge upon the image (the zoom setting is also a factor).
* Monochrome Lens Assembly, fitted to NASA's SIT Vidicon tube cameras.
The donut appearance is often described as an 'airy disc' (named after George Airy). This is a contentious issue, as many people simply google the term and find themselves viewing a computer generated model (ideal) of an aperture induced diffraction pattern. Such models are often enhanced in order to illustrate the faint outer concentric rings produced by constructive/destructive interference of light waves which are out of phase. For some reason, the distinction between an 'airy disc' and an 'airy pattern' is often completely overlooked, leading to unwarranted dismissal of the airy disc theory in the absence of visible outer rings. In reality, the term 'airy disc' merely describes the bright centre of an 'airy pattern' and therefore does not require the presence of visible outer rings. Matters are further complicated when an object is out of focus, which with certain lens configurations results in this donut appearance. Astronomers are known to deliberately defocus stars in order to check the collimation of reflector telescopes, and often refer to the result as an 'out of focus airy disc'.
Unlike NASA's STS-75 tether footage, this video shows a single out of focus object. This is unfortunate, as i believe that if the camera were focussed on a bright more distant object, that object would actually appear to be in the foreground (the same optical illusion responsible for tales of 3 miles wide UFOs 'behind' the tether). Many people seem unable to accept this concept, despite it being intuitively obvious and well understood by those who frequently use cameras. I could attempt an explanation, but experience suggests that it would be futile. Instead i am going to pose a question: During the STS-75 tether footage, the camera oscillates on it's pan/tilt unit following remote aim adjustment. If the so-called UFOs were really behind the tether, then why was their displacement considerably greater than that of the tether during the oscillation? The only plausible explanation is that the so-called UFOs were actually in the foreground. This basic principle (motion parallax) can be appreciated by anyone with a pair of eyes, and is therefore not easily dismissed due to lack of relevant experience.
On the subject of SIT Vidicon tube cameras: Certain individuals insist on claiming that Vidicon cameras were only used prior to 1990, in an effort to discredit official STS-75 analyses, and support bogus UV sensitive camera claims by David Sereda. I strongly suspect the source of this misinformation to be www.wikipedia.org. I would like to remind people that while Wikipedia is great, it is an open source encyclopedia, and as such can never be considered reliable. I very much doubt that the person who added the entry for 'Vidicon camera tube' was even aware that NASA used such devices. Anyway, here is a sample of the many documents and videos which prove that Vidicon cameras were in use up to 1997:
Comments and mature logical discussion are welcome, but posts containing such phrases as "the truth is out there" and "wake up people", or anything which implies some form of conspiracy will be blocked with great pleasure "Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by wade on Feb 13, 2008, 3:44pm
I remember watching the video and commentary program on the tether ufo events. They did show the circular objects passing behind the tether. They also talked about the shape of the objects being the same shape as the Dropa Stones that were discovered and still remain not fully explained. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 13, 2008, 6:51pm
aww, C'mon Zen, The truth is not out there............. it is in you! lol
ok, That makes a bit more sense now, however, Im still confused as to what that pic is showing? Your right, I have a lack of experience with this, So I dont know really... But what your saying does make a bit of sense now, thanks. I am still a bit skeptical though, I mean.. ok... Wasnt NASA amazed by what was seen to? and if I may drop the big object for a moment, and ask about all of the other little things flying around wayyy in the background? that turn back around and do turns and things? what are they? surely their cameras cant be that poor as to pick up every minute speck of 'dust' in or around it?? can they?? and what about the people with tons of credentials who have studied these and find it to be a bit more interesting than dust and cameras playing tricks? I do get what you mean now, and how that could be possible.... but Like I heard you once say.. "people want real proof" lol (and I lean towards believeing the wierder first, these days) lol and Ive just heard wayyy too many times, that certain things seen is simply cameras playing tricks on us, and I agree.. many many many times it is, the lil jokesters... But I dunno. Some things I can pass easily, others not so much... no matter what "scientific" explanation is used.. as we have seen too much in the past..that most their 'scientific' explanations for things not known are a big load. To keep minds at ease and free of thinking.
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by scarecrow on Feb 15, 2008, 6:36pm
FYI, most probably know this, but if not, you can watch the NASA feed online here: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.htmlRe: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by spinningshields on Feb 15, 2008, 8:10pm
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by wade on Feb 15, 2008, 9:15pm
Zens points are very good.
I have a small degree of experience with photography and the 'illusions' that are created when dealing with near objects vs farther ones and the differences that focus and degrees of light can make. Your eyes automatically bring the brighter objects "closer" becouse the more dimly-lit ones get "pushed back" so-to-speak. It's like if you had filtered goggles on and looked into the sun, then held your finger up at arms length. Your finger would be drowned out by the spill of light from the more powerful source.
If there is still more proof out there that they were spacecraft I hope we can find it. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by greywolf on Feb 16, 2008, 3:08am
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They did show the circular objects passing behind the tether. They also talked about the shape of the objects being the same shape as the Dropa Stones that were discovered and still remain not fully explained.
Wade: That is correct! The one out of about 100 (maybe more!) of like shape, all appeared like the 'Droppa stones' found in China. That is, for those unaware, shaped like a 'circle' with a raised 'hump' in the center and a slight 'pie-like wedge' missing, which, if one studies the CCD footage from the aka blocked NASA feed after the fact, (as it used to be) you can see that the 'pie-wedged' section seems to be the 'directional' point at which the 7 to 8 mile wide 'space craft' is taking, and we see them 'glowing' as they move along and fantastic speeds, when one considers that the Shuttle is traveling at just over 17,000 miles an hour, which appears to not be moving at all compared to those 100s of 'space craft.' It is a sight that will blow your socks off, and I have the downlink feed on VHS as it happened, 'unedited.' Did you know, and I have *only* heard, that the female astronaut killed herself with the male counterpart suffering from severe depression ever since that ill-fated mission. I withhold names to protect the families, although a search of the misson and personnel would reveal those--out of Forum, please--for the sake of the familes and the dead. Peace in numbers--Greywolf Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 3:26am
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when one considers that the Shuttle is traveling at just over 17,000 miles an hour, which appears to not be moving at all compared to those 100s of 'space craft.'
That is simply because it is not moving that fast relative to the objects. Everything in the scene is in about the same orbital path. Everything is traveling over 17,000MPH. Should not be that difficult to understand.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 16, 2008, 3:48am
eh, i disagree. and you should be jus a bit nicer, zen, you seem quite cynical ..dont ya think? peace
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 4:14am
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eh, i disagree. and you should be jus a bit nicer, zen, you seem quite cynical ..dont ya think?
The context is an evaluation of some claim purported to be true - not that of "polite chat". I'm not being "cynical" or a "hater". It's just that the available evidence makes it so easy to dismiss all of this stuff. And it should be pointed out when people make false claims.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 16, 2008, 4:49am
Your claim could be just as false . You cannot "prove" your claim anymore than someone else can "prove" otherwise.... Seriously. Wheres the love, man. lol Not trying to argue, But to tell someone they are making "false claims" would makes it look as if that they know its false and are trying to decieve. This is not the case. One believes one things, One believes another.. You have no more proof than anyone else. That shouldnt be so difficult to understand, eh? Love and Blessings. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 4:51am
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Your claim could be just as false . You cannot "prove" your claim anymore than someone else can "prove" otherwise.... Seriously. Wheres the love, man. lol Blessings.
I hope you are not being serious.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 16, 2008, 4:56am
lol, Unfortunatelyy I am , zen.
Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps Im being blind/ignorant.... But I dont see how what your saying can be proved. I just dont see it. Id love to be able to though. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 3:46pm
Why not look for supporting evidence yourself, of all aspects of any remarkable claim? Generally speaking, the simplest, plausible explanation is usually the correct one. Great article on the subject.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 16, 2008, 6:33pm
lol, right. so humbling. lol thanks for the enlightenment. Im done with this. lolRe: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 8:34pm
I knew it was only a matter of time before the attack. "and you should be jus a bit nicer, zen, you seem quite cynical ..dont ya think? " Ironic. So quick to offer advice, but so slow to take it.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 16, 2008, 8:40pm
that was a bit delayed dont ya think? like I said.. Im done being involved with threads of yours.. the past few days youve had nothing but negative <bleep> to say to just about everyone.. and Im not the only one to notice. Dont give others <bleep> because of your bad week. all high and mighty zen. .. tilt yer nose down a bit. and again.. ""Im done with this"" , you seem to have missed the last one. and then you toss something up, that had nothing to do with the previous thread. LOL.. niice man, real nice. I cant believe Im letting your awesome attitude rub off on me. Peace
[MOD EDIT: Lets keep the profanity off the board folks. And lets steer back on topic]Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 16, 2008, 9:35pm
"Negative <bleep>" - Thanks buddy.
[MOD EDIT: Lets keep the profanity off the board folks. And lets steer back on topic] Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by orionlion714 on Feb 17, 2008, 2:25pm
I apologize to everyone for any negativity I put out in this thread. I am embarrased of myself for even arguing. really. Thanks and sorry for all this junk in your thread ,GreyWolf. : / Blessings. Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by drpaxton on Feb 18, 2008, 5:12am
The problem I have with the 'swarm' of UFOs is that none of them ever change direction. Other than that, quite impressive.Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by wade on Feb 18, 2008, 2:57pm
Graywolf, is the unedited footage you have the same as the one on the "Nasa UFO Files" video see online? Or is it defferent? If so, is there a way you can transfer it so we can see it?Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by greywolf on Feb 22, 2008, 6:50pm
Wade: Yes, apprently so. What I have came directly from Dr. Bob Heironimus of 21st Century radio, who was not only present at the Congressional Hearings with the Disclosure Project <yawn> but who has contacts via his popularity with his radio show, who gave him the 'unedited' version of the 'swarm of UFOs' in and around the lost tether from Discovery mission. * This footage shows most all of the 'swarm' of the UFOs 'in motion' and or zipping on by. * The stationary ones are--stars. I hope this helps, as I only have the VHS copy. I have a friend who could transfer the VHS to DVD as well as my footages that remain on VHS and the original camcorder footage of 8 mm tape. I hope he can find the time to do this for me, as I have got to get my footage posted without the highly compressed state it is in now and has been since 1996 software: it was compressed from 22 to 25 MBs down to about 996 kb back when 28.8 bbs modems were the most popular. The world is now ready to see the footage (s) as it was seen on the TV shows ('Sightings' 'Unsolved Mysteries' 'Something-Universe' [that TV show's name eludes me now] and a few other UFO shows) and News reports that I allowed to show the copyrighted footage (s). As to how I could post it here or at YouTube, I can't do that because my footage and the tape Dr. Bob sent me are both copyrighted, so I could post my fooatge--as I could give my consent, but not the other tape as I cannot post their fooatge without the copyright owners permission. I am hoping to tie down my friend to have both VHS tapes transfered to DVD and as soon as I do: I will post it herein. Thanks Wade and all, GreywolfRe: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by wade on Feb 22, 2008, 10:34pm
Thanks Greywolf! I'll look for those eagerly Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by jakereason on Feb 23, 2008, 2:44am
Jason,
Off topic. Somethings come up. . .
John Lear (I know you know who he is, for those who don't, he is the son of Lear as in Lear Jets) is a member here and today said he is going to post details of the Apollo One incident.
Just thought I'd bring it to your attention. Perhaps you too might have thoughts to share on this historical NASA disaster.
Cheers, Jake Reason/ Rick Davis
Re: NASA's time delay on its 'live feed channel' Post by danblast on Feb 23, 2008, 6:03am
I thought Nasa started the delay when that infamous shuttle video of a ufo upon being fired at made a right angle turn, accelerated and went off into space. To me that is the most impressive video to date. Clearly shows an object, a flash and a beam or missile going right for it then the UFO making a right angle turn (which made the weapon miss) and accelerated off into space.
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