Poll Question: What is the nature of the Visitors?
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Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Thread Started on Feb 25, 2008, 4:33pm »
A philosopher and long term associate with a number of high level insiders in the USG, Dan Smith, maintains that all the Visitors to our planet are of an Ultra-Terrestrial nature.
That being they are not physical beings as in ET's. But rather of an immaterial and/or spiritual nature. ~Dimensional shifters and creators of the illusion of being physical/material. This would include any crafts, such as disks, triangles, rectangular or other off-worldly flying vessels.
Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #3 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:11pm »
I am not religious, but the orbs seem to act more like personalities than craft or tools. I am going on my own observations and theories, nothing else. To blindly believe in anything to me is foolish.
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #4 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:12pm »
Is Ultra-terrestrial the same as Extra-dimensional? I think that what we perceive as Extra-Terrestrials (beings from another planet or Star System) could very easily be visitors from another dimension. Being from another dimension would not necessarily mean that the visitor is immortal, though. If we found a way to traverse to their dimension, would that make us immortal?
Since neither scenario has been proven to be correct over the other, we can only conject and postulate.
I will refrain from voting on that premise and hope that true disclosure will provide the answer.
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #6 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:21pm »
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Is Ultra-terrestrial the same as Extra-dimensional?
In the context of this poll. Yes and No
If extra-dimensional, Are they Physical or Immaterial beings? That's the question to answer.
ie: if we could time shift or teleport to another world. We would be said to arrive extra-dimensionally. However we would still be of a physical nature - humans. To them we would be ET's.
Hope that helps clarify.
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #8 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:25pm »
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I subscribe to both.
In that some of the Visitors are ET's. Physical beings in nature with a mortal life expectancy.
And some are of a high order of being, immaterial in nature and immortal.
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Also note, that, according to the BPWH, Creation is a mental construct of God, so that the whole world is immaterial.
This is not so straight forward for me in that I agree with Dan's position about Creation ultimately being a mental construct, very similar to a dream I believe.
Note, that is not to say I am merely dreaming any more than it is to say I live in a mere universe or worship a mere G-d. For me this belief speaks to the How not the Why.
That said, if the question is to have any meaning for me, I feel that we need to clarify the distinction we are trying to make, physical vs immaterial seems to me more a question of perspective.
Perhaps therein lies the clue.
That is to say that the difference has more to do with knowledge of self, and its attendant perception of life expectancy, ie; mortality vs immortality.
There is a parallel in human experience when a very young child first perceives that it is not just an extension of the mother but an individual in its own right.
Prior to that point, the worldview is that if anything happens to mom, I go too.
After that point, it is recognized that there will come a time when she will not be and yet I am.
I am a part of all I have met; Yet all experience is an arch wherethro' Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades For ever and for ever when I move. How dull it is to pause, to make an end. To rust unburnish'd, not to shine in use!
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #10 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:41pm »
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Is Ultra-terrestrial the same as Extra-dimensional?
In the context of this poll. Yes and No
If extra-dimensional, Are they Physical or Immaterial beings? That's the question to answer.
ie: if we could time shift or teleport to another world. We would be said to arrive extra-dimensionally. However we would still be of a physical nature - humans. To them we would be ET's.
Hope that helps clarify.
It is very difficult to classify the visitors without definite knowledge of their origins. In your example above, you say we would be classified as ET by the occupants of the dimension we would visit. But wouldn't we actually be EDs in that scenario?
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #11 on Feb 25, 2008, 5:50pm »
Dan, Garuda, Sophia, Numbers & Jeddyhi, don't try to over complicate the question.
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All your thoughts are very valid and make for excellent exploration and debate.
But this Poll is to be viewed from a more everyday position.
ie: in the "Matrix" movie series. The people in the incubator machines, or in their escaped world underground craft, are the real living "physical" beings. While in the Matrix, they are immaterial ~ethereal.
Another way to look at the question; When Captain Kirk beams down to a planet, he materializes in the physical for that was his original "nature" before dematerialization in the transporter. He is an ET.
However "Q" of Star Trek Enterprise series, was an Ultra-Terrestrial being, able to take on any form, and did not need a transporter to do it.
ET's need craft that have been engineered. UT's can make anything appear real, while it is only an allusion.
ET's are subject to physical harm or death. UT's are not.
Please select your Poll answer with these points in minds.
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PS: still do add any comment you wish, as so far they have all been very interesting.
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Re: Extra-Terrestrial vs Ultra-Terrestrial « Reply #13 on Feb 25, 2008, 6:25pm »
OK, I voted both...
Though personally I think the distinction between physical and non-physical is misleading... meaning that I've come to believe that all - including us - are essentially non-physical and can project themselves into varying degrees of physicality.
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