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RELEASE #22 « Thread Started on Dec 18, 2006, 4:27pm »
From Victor Martinez:
"Project SERPO" Special Announcement: What on Earth has happened?!"
IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AROUND THE WORLD WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE "Project SERPO" saga, then READ EVERY WORD ... S-L-O-W-L-Y ... DON'T speed read through it! You'll miss IMPORTANT information! ------------------------------------------ BREAKING NEWS FLASH: Bill Ryan's SERPO.org Web site successfully hacked on Sunday, 12-17-06 by a COMMON, PETTY, LOW-LIFE COMPUTER CRIMINAL! ------------------------------------------ Part 1 of 6:
UFO THREAD LIST:
I have an absolutely SPLITTING HEADACHE as I write this to all of you right now before I head off for work ... work has NEVER looked so GOOD to me!
I write the following in the interest of transparency and so no one can accuse me/Bill Ryan of "covering up things" because that's NOT how we operate nor what we're about ... never have been. I find myself in a very awkward, UNcomfortable situation today. I thought I was going to be bringing, presenting and streaming INLINE PHOTOGRAPHS taken on an alien homeworld -- Planet SERPO -- in the Zeta Reticuli I and II star system.
Well, perhaps at some future date they will be, but definitely NOT today! Bill will be issuing a public statement as well shortly after you read mine.
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #1 on Dec 18, 2006, 4:37pm »
Victor- Part 2 of 6:
TIMELINE/SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:
° Saturday, Dec 9, 2006: ~9.a.m., I'm talking to OM Global Moderator IVO5000 about a host of things and he asks me if I've received/heard anything from ANONYMOUS. I answer "no," and he wishes me a happy birthday and an enjoyable lunch with former student, Jackie N [Class of '98] at The Cheesecake Factory in Huntington Beach.
Late Saturday afternoon, I go to my P O Box and there's a CD waiting for me in a nondescript package. I knew instantly what it was and I went directly to Kinko's to view it. Since I don't even know how to insert a disk into a computer, I immediately "hire" one of the employees to open it for me and execute any and all functions I want/need; I offer him $20/hour above his hourly wage.
Each image/file was 13.946 megabytes in size and could never have been received by me at WebTV which has an incoming capacity of 10 megabytes total.
I had him make two (2) sets of color prints for me and then quickly left; I informed him and other curious employees that what he/they had viewed were pictures from a future sci-fi movie produced by SKG [Spielberg Katzenberg Geffen] in Hollywood.
° Monday, Dec 11, 2006: I overnight the disk to a retired signals intelligence/data/photo/digital analyst for the National Security Agency [retired in Linthicum, MD] along w/ a slew of music CDs which I had specifically purchased for this project which would no. ~100 photos; my bill for all of these CDs came to $1,763.42 according to my Citibank "Gold" statement. (At least I LOVE the music I purchased!)
This SERPO PHOTO RELEASE had been in the works since September 2006.
° Thursday, Dec 14: I meet with my co-moderator, colleague and great friend, Bill Ryan and his girlfriend for lunch at Maggiano's Little Italy in Woodland Hills, CA from 11:12 a.m. - 1:24 p.m.
I inform Bill what I have received, what I've done with the disk and what I plan on doing the following week [this week] with the five (5) images sent to me at the direction of ANONYMOUS.
I only have "The Suns Set" photo on hand to share w/ Bill and Kerry at the time. Bill provides me something called the FTP for the SERPO.org Web site, so I inform him that I'll have my NSA contact friend download the images directly into his Web site.
° Thursday, Dec. 14: My NSA contact friend phones me around 6 p.m. to [regrettably] inform me of a huge slew of problems w/ what ANONYMOUS' "Gatekeeper" has sent me. I'm floored, EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED and dejected by what he has to say; four (4) hours later we're finally off the phone.
NOTE: My NSA friend's biting, stinging, but professionally written critical analysis of the photos is Part 5 of 6.
° Thursday, Dec. 14: At ~11 p.m., I fire off an URGENT e-mail to ANONYMOUS detailing just SOME of the problems/issues my NSA contact has laid out to me. I ask/beg him for an explanation.
UNlike the 2-3 e-mails/day I was receiving from him, I HAVE NOT HEARD A WORD FROM HIM SINCE including up until today, Monday, December 18, 2006 at 6 a.m.
° Friday, Dec 15: I mail a dup copy of the CD w/ the original UNcompressed images to Bill at 10:24 a.m.; I have NO copy(ies) for myself.
° Friday, Dec 15: At ~ 8 p.m., all of the images [compressed] have been successfully downloaded into Bill's SERPO.org Web site by my NSA friend.
° Sunday, Dec 17: Right after Sunday brunch, Bill shocks me w/ a cell-to-cell call placed at 1:30 p.m. informing me that his SERPO.org Web site has been successfully HACKED into and that two (2) of the photos have been posted on a DEbunking Web site!
They're "outed" as FAKES -- something Bill, my NSA contact and myself already had concluded -- and we were NOT going to present them as being authentic/genuine ... ever.
In a weird sort of way, this CRIMINAL ACT actually assisted us! It's important to note that the images obtained by the COMPUTER CRIMINAL (probably from the UK) were NOT the original ones that were received by me from "The Gatekeeper"; they were compressed JPG files and we knew instantly that the source for these photos was Bill's Web site because of another built-in security feature:
The images on the ORIGINAL CD mailed to me have completely different file names; the ones downloaded from Bill's Web site were REnumbered by my NSA contact to coincide with the stream sequence. THAT's how we KNOW they were ILlegally obtained via Bill's Web site.
NOTE: Disgusted? You should be OUTraged! Serious, PROFESSIONAL researchers do NOT research and obtain their information by hacking into others' computer systems/breaking into their homes/tapping their phone lines/having "tails" placed on them [as two well-known researchers recently had done to them in NM].
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Try and imagine pro researchers like Stan Friedman, Nick Redfern, Timothy Good, Dr Bruce Maccabee, Dr James Deardorff, Bob and Ryan Wood, Paola Harris, Jim Marrs, Bob Collins, etc., engaging in THIS type of CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I'll not provide the nom de guerre this low-life individual uses ... no reason to give this INFORMATION MINING MAGGOT the attention he so desperately craves.
We finalize plans on the time of the stream and Bill advises me that after having viewed the images for himself (remember, he hadn't viewed them yet at lunch on Thursday), he chooses to reverse his position and WITHHOLD from public view/mask from public view ALL five (5) of the images pending a further clarification from ANONYMOUS.
NOTE: Only "The Suns Set" is being made available at this time as "94 of 100."
I tell him that I fully support his decision ... whatever he chooses to do at this point; I trust, support and reaffirm his sound judgment.
NOTE: This explains WHY there is such a gap between "100 of 100" which is then followed by "95 of 100" [public domain] and finally "94 of 100."
CLOSING STATEMENT:
Bill and myself do NOT know what's REALLY occurred here ... theories abound, our collective imaginations run wild and our cerebral cortexes are atwitter!
a) Since this is NOT the original ANONYMOUS, this might very well be an orchestrated DISinformation campaign to DESTROY the original ANONYMOUS postings that I released form 11-2-05 - 12-21-05. In other words, a concerted effort is being made to trash the "Project SERPO" story and keep the public at large from even considering that such an exchange program ever took place.
b) Crack online investigative journalist GARY S BEKKUM of
has suggested that as in the past [MJ-12 papers], pieces of actual above top secret information ["Project SERPO" Posting #19 reaffirmed at: http://www.lanl.gov/history/index.shtml ]
has been passed/is being passed through a series of BOGUS UFO disclosures.
c) This could be a test to see how gullible the public is/could be/wants to believe that images which are NOT genuine are presented as such.
d) What you've seen today from "94 of 100" and the other four (4) images masked from public view may be authentic representations of what the 11 Team Members viewed on SERPO [UNlikely], but they're NOT genuine.
In fact, they ALL have EARTHLY origins as the crack investigative team at The Open Minds Forum have informed Bill and me.
Confused? While both GENUINE and AUTHENTIC mean "a lack of falsehood or misrepresentation," GENUINE applies to a "real" person or thing and the ORIGINAL.
AUTHENTIC suggests a fidelity to the truth or a lack of falsehood demonstrated by a certification process.
EXAMPLE: "My wife and I recently purchased a GENUINE Picasso painting." = an ORIGINAL copy, NOT a duplicate.
EXAMPLE: "My wife and I recently purchased an AUTHENTIC copy of the famous 'Mona Lisa' painting." = an EXACT DUPLICATE of the original, but NOT the original itself.
If ANONYMOUS could not obtain the ORIGINAL source material from Bolling AFB [where all of the "Project SERPO" files/materials/photo album books are stored], to make AUTHENTIC copies from the GENUINE originals, then he should have stated as such so it could be clear to me and everyone else.
Instead, Bill and myself are put in the awkward situation of WITHholding information from you -- the UFO community at large -- something he/we don't like doing at all.
e) "Team of 5" member Dr CHRISTOPHER M "Kit" GREEN
wrote me and Dr Hal Puthoff a private e-mail on Thurs, Nov 10, 2005 @ 5:03 p.m. (PST+3) which stated in part:
From: Dr CHRISTOPHER GREEN
VICTOR:
I respect and fully support what you are doing. I do NOT know what in the world is going on [referencing the SERPO releases], but Hal and myself both believe it is VERY important and VERY COMPLEX.
It is my absolute guarantee to you...."
[4 paragraphs deleted ... PRIVATE communication.]
Dr Green's PRESCIENT and insightful commentary -- issued over a year ago -- are still absolutely 100% as TRUE today as they were when he wrote them more than a year ago! What he doesn't know -- or perhaps he does -- is how UNbelievably COMPLEX this "Project SERPO" story REALLY IS! Bill and myself are just simply AMAZED.
"The more things CHANGE, the more they remain the SAME."
I make particular note of this because certain nitwits, hangers-on, ne'er-do-well online FREAKS from various forums have simply, publicly and FALSELY stated: "Oh, Rick Doty wrote all of this from a dusty old science fiction novel he started 20+ years ago and Victor's editing it for him!"
OR
"Victor had some of his former physics students write all of this after school for extra credit at a Taco Bell!" [SKEPTIC Magazine has put this out privately as conveyed to me at a Cal Tech lecture with Harvard Univ professor Dr Susan A Clancy as the keynote speaker, November 2005.]
IDIOTS! What they don't know is what they don't know ... meaning that if the general public knows 250 facts about the SERPO puzzle, and then these forum freaks know 500 parts of the puzzle, what they DON'T KNOW is that there are 500 OTHER parts that they're UNaware of that both Bill and myself DO KNOW!
This is what I mean by: "They don't know what they don't know."
REALITY CHECK: Does this necessarily mean that "Project SERPO" never occurred? NO, not at all! In fact -- from my point of view -- it almost reaffirms that it DID take place as so MANY individuals are crawling out from under every rock to try and DIScredit it ... but WHY? WHY aren't they focusing in on The Hollow Earth Theory, Rendelsham Forest, The Kecksberg Incident, Betty & Barney Hill, etc.?
WHY "Project SERPO?!"
By being so obsessed with this project and thinking about it 24/7 , they're in effect suggsting that ALL of you are too @#$%ing STUPID to make your own decisions and they need to lead you by the hand to the "truth."
The heck with them ... you evaluate the EVIDENCE as it's presented to you and then make up your own mind ... don't let the SERPO-obsessed, bathrobe-clad, forum freak do-nothings decide for you! ------------------------------------------
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #2 on Dec 18, 2006, 4:44pm »
Victor - 3 of 6:
OPEN LETTER TO MY ORGINAL ANONYMOUS:
On November 1, 2005, I received a startling e-mail from you entitled, "Bombshell" if you'll recall. That one e-mail, followed by hundreds after that -- [many of which still remain UNpublished totaling 3,200+ words and have been safely secured from hackers in my safety deposit box] which I compressed into very lengthy streams -- started a worldwide phenonmenon for the global UFO community of something they'd not considered before:
That the U S government had sent 12 military astronauts from our world to another for a period of 13 years.
WOW!
With the generous, kind and technical assistance from my co-moderator Bill Ryan -- and with my highly influential UFO Thread List -- we successfully got your message and story to the global UFO community and just regular folk in general. Even to this day, magazines are still carrying the "Project SERPO" story, the DEbunkers be damned! Please see the Jan/Feb issue of ATLANTIS RISING Magazine, pp. 29 31 63 and 64.
In your e-mail dated 12-14-06 entitled "Problems," you articulated to me that "too many individuals are trying to uncover my identity" and then you asked me to delete all of your e-mails which I promptly did EXCEPT for the first one of 11-1-05.
I can understand your bowing out and letting another ANONYMOUS take over ... why put up with all of those nosy people amazingly more interested in WHO YOU were than the data/information itself?! I'd likely do the same thing!
I greatly ADMIRE and RESPECT the years of dedicated service as a public servant you have given to our country and the great contributions you made while being the editor for "The Red Book," presented to the sitting president of the United States every five (5) years on the summary of alien contacts the U.S. and other countries have had with visiting alien life forms to our planet.
Likewise, I was thrilled and very pleased to learn from a Cabinet-level officer whom you're colleages with and I'm a friend of how happy you were when you received my 25-lb 'care package' I sent you for Xmas 2005.
I hope you'll always think of me when viewing the beautiful book I enclosed, UNIVERSE: THE DEFINITIVE VISUAL GUIDE and note where I placed your bookmarker ... p. 404 where our "special friends" come from.
I KNOW that you come out to CA for the XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX in the City of XXXXX, and Bill Ryan and I extend an open-ended invitation for you to contact either one of us should you ever want to REsume the disclosure efforts that YOU, your DIA colleagues and Bill and myself were so immensely successful in disseminating to a worldwide audience.
In that package, I provided you all of my contact information -- nothing's changed -- including photos of me receiving awards in the field of education, my resume, etc.
AGAIN: On behalf of Bill Ryan and myself, we wish you well and will respect whatever decision you make with regards to future UFO/SERPO disclosures. ------------------------------------------
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #3 on Dec 18, 2006, 4:46pm »
Victor - 4 of 6:
FAST FACTS FROM THE CURRENT ANONYMOUS:
Though I may not be on the best of terms w/ him now, I will NOT reproduce ANY of the e-mails received from him starting in September 2006 to the present. [In fact, they've ALL been ERASED.] However, the following is from three (3) e-mails strung together w/ only the most pertinent information given.
VICTOR:
– The photographs were developed and transferred from 35 mm to digital format by XXXXX XXXXX, The Gatekeeper.
– 102 military personnel entered training for the "Project Crystal Knight Mission."
– 16 finalists were selected. 12 primary and 4 alternates. We have no survivors from the original primary team and two (2) survivors from the alternates.
– FUTURE RELEASES will include: photographs of the entire crew on Serpo, 66 photographs of Serpo, including Eben villages, Ebens and their children.
– The next release contains Eben music. Wait until you hear Eben music. We have hours of their music on tape.
– We will also release [journal] logs, and other items as our plan dictates.
– With the exception of the two (2) crew members who remained, all bodies were returned. Ebens are our friends ... I truly miss them. ------------------------------------------
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #4 on Dec 18, 2006, 4:49pm »
Victor - 5 of 6:
And now what follows is a VERBATIM, AUTHENTIC (!) reproduction from the original [GENUINE!] e-mail my NSA contact wrote for me regarding "The Suns Set" photo and ALL of the photos on the SERPO.org Web site Bill Ryan has posted:
VICTOR:
Subject: REPORT BY RETIRED SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, Ft. Meade, MD / PHOTO ANALYST REPORT ON SIX SERPO PHOTOS, 17 Dec 2006
RE: Conversion of Six Images to .JPG Format
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
Six images in digital format were provided for reprocessing. The conclusion by the tasked analyst is these six images require more investigation, analysis and verification, and lack credibility in many technical respects. They are far below NASA/JPL 1960s standards in terms of quality. This mixture of six images, taken as a group, is inadequately explained.
There is low confidence that these six images are related to a real Serpo disclosure.
Details of image processing:
The original six images were supplied in .BMP format under the file names:
"serpoimages0001.bmp"
through
"serpoimages0006.bmp."
The files as received were not encrypted. The original image file names were changed during creation of the .JPG files, to fit an expanded numbering plan for internal reference purposes, in case several sets of images with the same names were received over time. Markings indicated that the original images from this set were in "Volume 12, Section 24."
[Bolling Air Force Base, "Project SERPO" case files.]
All images (including any excess white area) were 1700 x 2800 pixels and approx. 14.3 Megabytes each in size. For display and retrieval purposes on the Internet, the images were resampled to a width of 800 pixels with a proportional height, ranging from 427 to 935 pixels. A 2% reduction of red was applied to color-compensate for conversion to non-progressive .JPG format at 15% compression.
Except for cropping to eliminate excessive white space, the pictures were deliberately not improved using software filters and standard techniques. The original source image for #97 was upside down. It has been rotated 180 degrees. The original six .BMP images have not been subjected to detailed steganographic analysis.
There is evidence of moiré patterns in these images, particularly #94a and #94b. Typically, this is an artifact of scanning a color halftone picture. These patterns or interference lines are much more pronounced in the original .BMP files than in the smaller .JPG versions.
Such moiré patterns are inconsistent with direct scanning of 35 mm photographic film or continuous-tone prints to digital format.
In contrast, the moiré patterns (and tell-tale irregular black borders around images #98 and #99) are consistent with pictures roughly cut outand scanned from books, magazines and other printed sources.
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #5 on Dec 18, 2006, 4:51pm »
Victor - 6 of 6:
HAD THE PHOTOS NOT BEEN "OUTED' AS ABSOLUTE FAKES, THIS IS WHAT THE SET UP WAS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PICTURES ACCOMPANIED BY MUSIC I PERSONALLY SELECTED:
99 of 100: "The Mask" - Ceremonial mask used by Ebens during rituals
PLAYED TO: "The Outer Limits" - The Marketts, Rock Instrumental Classics, Vol #2: The 1960s CD [later reissued as "Out of Limits"], 12-7-63/ / #3 / 14 ------------------------------------------ 98 of 100: "The Creature" - Circa 1971 nonviolent Serpian animal
PLAYED TO: The theme from "The Twilight Zone" - Rod Serling narrates, Favorite TV Theme Songs CD ------------------------------------------ 97 of 100: UNtitled Eben landscape taken at high noon on SERPO
PLAYED TO: "Keep Searchin'" (We'll Follow The Sun) - Del Shannon's 20 Greatest Hits CD, 11-21-64 / #9 / 14 ------------------------------------------ 96 of 100: SERPO's "Plain of Jars" - '68 central SERPO, major desert
PLAYED TO: "A Different Story" - Peter Schilling, A Different Story (World of Lust and Crime) CD, 3-25-89 / #61 / 10 ------------------------------------------ NOW POSTED AT THE "Project SERPO" WEB SITE AT:
Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #7 on Dec 18, 2006, 8:00pm »
OK I am a bit confused (not unusual for me) So Anon #2 sent VM a disk full of bogus pics. claiming they were legit? What does this say about all releases sent from this particular faction of the Anonomi? Something certainly smells fishy here in ole Serpo-ville!!
Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #8 on Dec 18, 2006, 8:21pm »
Hey Shadow,
I don't think that's what he is saying. Re-read carefully the part about the pictures being sent on a disk. I seem to feel there are two sets of pics. The ones that have been posted are the bogus ones. None of the pic's from the anon's have been published due to the serpo.org site being hacked.
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #9 on Dec 18, 2006, 8:48pm »
Quote:
Victor - 5 of 6:
And now what follows is a VERBATIM, AUTHENTIC (!) reproduction from the original [GENUINE!] e-mail my NSA contact wrote for me regarding "The Suns Set" photo and ALL of the photos on the SERPO.org Web site Bill Ryan has posted:
VICTOR:
Subject: REPORT BY RETIRED SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, Ft. Meade, MD / PHOTO ANALYST REPORT ON SIX SERPO PHOTOS, 17 Dec 2006
RE: Conversion of Six Images to .JPG Format
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
Six images in digital format were provided for reprocessing. The conclusion by the tasked analyst is these six images require more investigation, analysis and verification, and lack credibility in many technical respects. They are far below NASA/JPL 1960s standards in terms of quality. This mixture of six images, taken as a group, is inadequately explained.
There is low confidence that these six images are related to a real Serpo disclosure.
Details of image processing:
The original six images were supplied in .BMP format under the file names:
"serpoimages0001.bmp"
through
"serpoimages0006.bmp."
The files as received were not encrypted. The original image file names were changed during creation of the .JPG files, to fit an expanded numbering plan for internal reference purposes, in case several sets of images with the same names were received over time. Markings indicated that the original images from this set were in "Volume 12, Section 24."
[Bolling Air Force Base, "Project SERPO" case files.]
All images (including any excess white area) were 1700 x 2800 pixels and approx. 14.3 Megabytes each in size. For display and retrieval purposes on the Internet, the images were resampled to a width of 800 pixels with a proportional height, ranging from 427 to 935 pixels. A 2% reduction of red was applied to color-compensate for conversion to non-progressive .JPG format at 15% compression.
Except for cropping to eliminate excessive white space, the pictures were deliberately not improved using software filters and standard techniques. The original source image for #97 was upside down. It has been rotated 180 degrees. The original six .BMP images have not been subjected to detailed steganographic analysis.
There is evidence of moiré patterns in these images, particularly #94a and #94b. Typically, this is an artifact of scanning a color halftone picture. These patterns or interference lines are much more pronounced in the original .BMP files than in the smaller .JPG versions.
Such moiré patterns are inconsistent with direct scanning of 35 mm photographic film or continuous-tone prints to digital format.
In contrast, the moiré patterns (and tell-tale irregular black borders around images #98 and #99) are consistent with pictures roughly cut outand scanned from books, magazines and other printed sources.
Cut and paste above seems to indicate Victor sent 6 pics he received on disk to be analyzed. If there are 2 sets of pics why would he only send 6 bogus images to be analyzed rather than all of them...if he trusted the analyzer?
There is a game being played here......and we (those not in "the loop") are not being told everything that is known.
I for one would GREATLY appreciate some clarification as to weather there are more pics that VM has received that may be legit.....or was this all some big scam to set up Tacky and draw him (them) out into the open. (ie: expose the exposer)
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #10 on Dec 18, 2006, 9:22pm »
So from release #22 part 2 of 6;
° Thursday, Dec. 14: My NSA contact friend phones me around 6 p.m. to [regrettably] inform me of a huge slew of problems w/ what ANONYMOUS' "Gatekeeper" has sent me. I'm floored, EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED and dejected by what he has to say; four (4) hours later we're finally off the phone. -----------------------------------------------------------------
I could speculate based on the above...that Victor may have been told of a WORM or OTHER infection on the CD that would allow tracking and hacking into whatever Internet systems the data may reside on.... There by trapping the hacker at SERPO.org
JMO...but if true then some folks know who TM is by now....
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #11 on Dec 18, 2006, 9:30pm »
Speaking for myself, I'm as confused as the rest of you guys. IF the 6 Serpo images were intended to be released as a part of Serpo, then I can imagine 2 scenarios. Imagine is the key word here.
1) Victor has been duped again by someone pretending to be an anonymous source that represents the DIA. And they intended to release bogus material to further damage Serpo.
2) Victor has NOT been duped by imposters but the anonymous source has just lost all credibility with the release of these bogus photos.
Of course, this is just my opinion.
I don't think any kind of trap was made to flush out Tacitus. He somehow came into possession of these photos and posted them. If he knew they were going to be released, why did he post them early? Why not wait until they came out? What is he trying to prove? That he can hack? Or has an insider somewhere? It does seem like an attempt at attention. I mean, come on, if he would have waited for these photos to be released without tipping his hand, they would have still been bogus photos. The outcome would still be the same. So why jump the gun and steal the images and then post them in advance? To prove what?
Oh well, I could keep asking these silly questions until I'm blue in the face but I would still be just as confused!!
Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #12 on Dec 18, 2006, 9:53pm »
Quote:
I don't think any kind of trap was made to flush out Tacitus. He somehow came into possession of these photos and posted them. If he knew they were going to be released, why did he post them early? Why not wait until they came out? What is he trying to prove? That he can hack? Or has an insider somewhere? It does seem like an attempt at attention. I mean, come on, if he would have waited for these photos to be released without tipping his hand, they would have still been bogus photos. The outcome would still be the same. So why jump the gun and steal the images and then post them in advance? To prove what?
Oh well, I could keep asking these silly questions until I'm blue in the face but I would still be just as confused!!
Actually the outcome would have been much different! Had the photos been released as legit and then TM "outed" them....i personally feel it would have done far more to harm the overall Serpo story. Which is what makes this all fishy to me......if TM's goal is to discredit Serpo why not give those releasing the info the oppurtunity to hang themselves.
Having them released early simply gives Bill and Victor an oppurtunity to say we knew they were bogus and had no intention of releasing such obvious BS!
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Re: RELEASE #22 « Reply #14 on Dec 18, 2006, 10:58pm »
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Having them released early simply gives Bill and Victor an oppurtunity to say we knew they were bogus and had no intention of releasing such obvious BS!
So now we must ask....who's side is Tacky on?
Good points, Shadow. But in regards to the above quote, if Bill and Victor received these images and decided they were bogus and therefore not worth releasing, then what does that say for their anonymous source's credibility?
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