Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #301 on Feb 19, 2009, 6:45pm »
One final thought. I think there are many here who avidly WANT to believe some of these accounts. When we become convinced that someone isn't being totally honest, the angst is incredible! Stories portraying astounding events require, demand even, impeccable witnesses, proponents, and defenses. In many cases, that's unfair, but that's just the way it is.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #302 on Feb 19, 2009, 7:15pm »
@utopiated, yes I think Art Bell is not.. Well I just found that clip on youtube amd thought i´d share it..
I said i´m not a Dr. Reed follower because of the way he portrayed himself here. That doesn't mean I disbelieve his case... If he has real evidence, he should be heard.. He might not be the best person out there to bring out such a story. But he happened to be in the right place at the right time. Im still waiting for smoking gun evidence...
FWIW, I always gave Reed the benefit of the doubt, but after the way he behaved here, I'm far less inclined to believe him.
But that "he" was not he as in Jonathan Reed to my knowledge. Or did you not mean that?
Either way - it's not good to judge a case/organisation by its supporters and advocates. But I guess we all do that by default in a way.
From what I saw skimming what the Odisealinker person had posted - it was more the case he was not familiar with both the spoken and unspoken etiquette rules that govern forum communication rather than the fact that what he was saying was wrong or inaccurate.
@Jinx22 - I think the smoking gun evidence is already there and has been demonstrated in the Reed case. It's just unfortunate that [as with other cases like Billy Meier] people *never* get far or deep enough into the case to discover them because so much negative hype sourrounds the thing that 99% of us STOP at the first apparent contradiction and refuse to go on.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #304 on Feb 19, 2009, 8:19pm »
From what I saw skimming what the Odisealinker person had posted - it was more the case he was not familiar with both the spoken and unspoken etiquette rules that govern forum communication rather than the fact that what he was saying was wrong or inaccurate.
Be careful with your assumptions. Odi was given a hand-held tour of the OMF etiquette rules, very early on.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #305 on Feb 19, 2009, 9:02pm »
Oops, I thought, Odi was Dr. Reed. Maybe he is?? This is one of those cases where I don´t really know what to believe.. But if this is real then "they" are doin a darn good job of debunking.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #306 on Feb 19, 2009, 9:49pm »
From what I know the real Dr Reed [who is real and a doctor who worked in child psychology] has completely had enough of defending himself and the case on public forums... thus I don't think you'd find him online in recent years.
He also seems gutted that it's his home country that's mostly been the least open to what went on - he prefers Mexico and Europe and Japan where they seem less ready to shout hoax at first glance. If you add this element on top of the fact that Intel agencies trashed his house, destroyed his career and ID and have attacked [physically] some of his friends - then you kind of understand his PoV.
If you just assume for a second that what happened to him *did* happen [and there is lots more apart from the many publicised incidents you see online] - imagine after having your life turned upside down by having ET contact in that particular, paradigm-breaking manner and *then* turning to the UFO community to find mostly zero support thanks to:
1. The case being bizarre and having images/video that's "too real" 2. Agencies ensuring any evidence was warped or eradicated
...that must have been difficult.
It's also worth mentioning that the NSA arrived and threatened him a few hours *after* making a call to his local MUFON hotline. Prior to this he'd just told a few friends and all was quiet. Although this may be co0incidence... it makes you think about just who non-aware people can turn to if something similar happens to them.
Anyway - back to the point - the quick research I did led me to think that the poster was the same person who updates [or doesn't update] www.odisealink.com - which isn't Reed himself - even if a WHOIS search states he registered the domain.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #307 on Feb 19, 2009, 11:31pm »
utopiated, I will not speak for other, but from a personal perspective I found the case itself to be interesting. I do have some questions and I did air them as I usually do. It was an effort to learn more of what Odi had in regards to this case.
I by no means put it past any governing body on this planet to crush a case like this one. The first target in any military operation is communications, followed by logistic centers, therefore that a story like this is easily torn apart is not at all surprising to me. Actually it is expected, alternately I would be checking if the gov was still breathing
The one thing I would like is to go over the evidence, I tried giving Odi this chance however this is very hard to do when being called a debunker and having my own words twisted back at me.
As for who Odi is or is not for me is besides the point, what I am looking for is something I can look at and discern for myself as to the validity of the claims.
You mentioned the link artifact in the post before this last one, do they still have this artifact?
Is there a report available I can send for, I recall some university in japan did some sort of analysis on the artifact. It would be interesting to review this analysis report. I do not believe a mailing address was provided, and checking the university online archives does not yield results. I did however locate other research papers written by the names mentioned, including one or two that showed these researchers did collaborate on other work.
utopiated, I extend to you the same offer that was given to Odi, if you are willing to guide I will look into the evidence with an open mind... I know next to nothing regarding this case so for me it is a matter of truly exploring the evidence I look at the debunking evidence with the same eye that I give the evidence provided to prove it. It is a level playing field neither side is right or wrong.
If you can understand where it is I am coming from and you are willing to present the case in a fair manner and are willing to answer some of my questions then I am more then willing to explore this with you.
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #308 on Feb 20, 2009, 12:30am »
Thanks Utopiated for posting that Art Bell segment. That's one I had not heard before. I'm not sure about the uh... *cough* reason for demoting this case. It will always be an extraordinary case in my opinion. It was one of the first that got me interested in the field.
You mentioned the link artifact in the post before this last one, do they still have this artifact?
Hi, - Yes the Link item was analysed and they received a report on the metal types it contained. That's the least interesting part about the saga though. It get's plain weird... especially when you find out that another researcher activated the Link item when Jonathan Reed was out of the room.
From what I understand - they still "own" the artifact but not directly. Jonathan claims [as the owner] that he can get access to it if he wishes. It's apparently in the hands of a kind of 'good guys' group of well funded types who have created a collective that actively seeks out and safely stores extra-terrrestrial artifacts. These range from things such as the 'ET' Link bracelet to alleged huge size glass [? I think] pyramid structures found in a mine-shaft and shipped off to them for safe storage.
Obviously this group function as an alternative to shadier illuminoid or MIC type cabals who use ET materials for selfish, greed. weapons type reasons... although I'm sure it's not that clear cut of course.
Re the other comments about Japan analysis... I understand we all have different ideas of what 'proof' means. For me I take their word that they had the item analysed and the readings they revealed. I tend to put case data together in a different way but that sort of thing is still useful.
What I can do is write to one of the researchers and ask. From previous contacts though I know they are pretty tired of having to re-convince people. This is understandable given most of the story is out there in various forms... a book, videos, conferences, interviews etc. But I'll see what response I get and will post any news back here.
- "The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a standstill." R.A.W.
Why is everyone so worried about being made a fool of?!? Part of getting involved in this field is taking a risk in judgement occasionally because we're dealing with the downright WEIRD. It seems [esp. on forums - 'open minded' or otherwise] once a few people violently attack and mock a case - everyone else runs and hides or joins in the p*ss-taking.
I know what you mean and I am all for keeping on asking questions no matter what kind of alleged proof has been presented.
I just wanted to mention that a couple of days ago a guest at the Kevin Smith Show who was an alleged former NASA employee stated that he has been told that some guys (possibly from the PTB-faction) took over the Coast to Coast radio-show since quiet some while ago and since than they are not free anymore to interview who they want, but rather have to get approval to do so. Plus that some callers who state anything online which isn't appreciated or against their agenda in any kind of way won't get any chance to get through again because his number will be blocked.
That's what that guy told and not my opinion. I just wanted to mention that because of that CTC-interview above. So we maybe have to take everything presented by that show with a grain of salt no matter about which case. Brave PTB!
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Re: Dr. Jonathan Reed- Update? « Reply #312 on Feb 23, 2009, 10:20am »
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took over the Coast to Coast radio-show since quiet some while ago and since than they are not free anymore to interview who they want, but rather have to get approval to do so
Well if I think what you're trying to say is that it means the coast audio above is void then actually - IF you are right - your point backs up even more the Reed case's truth.
If you notice I checked the date of those interviews and they are not from 2009 - in fact I think they are from early 2000s. Jonathan Reed's case has not been on Coast-Coast recently DESPITE new data coming out each year. So you may be right - Coast-Coast are happy to have endless, boring 2012 interviewees on their schedule but the most vital contact cases are no longer on the show.
This case will turn out to be one of the most important in this planet's history in my opinion.
Also - "enlightedseeker" [humble by name and nature it seems] and the others that have now gone so quiet after telling us they were so sure of this case being fake - amazing what you think you can find from a PC monitor - could do well watching 3 of the 12 new videos on youtube. I think they were posted by the same person who's been banned from this forum... but I'm not 100%.
The sound/music gets annoying over the top but it's discernible. Note the part about the security guard bumping into them at the university of Washington.
2009 Video - 1 of 3
2009 Video - 2 of 3
2009 Video - 3 of 3
What's really sad about this endless true/false debate is that all time taken up by going over the same real evidence points has the result that the really interesting elements that have happened to Reed and regards the Link artefact are not covered. We need to start getting our priorities right and stop paying attention to disinformation distributing attention seekers like "UFOwatchdog" [yeah right!] and whoever wrote that pile of blatant lies from the Seattle UFO and Paranormal Group. Until we do - this area called UFO research will remain a victim of itself.
- "The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a standstill." R.A.W.
Well if I think what you're trying to say is that it means the coast audio above is void then actually - IF you are right - your point backs up even more the Reed case's truth.
If you notice I checked the date of those interviews and they are not from 2009 - in fact I think they are from early 2000s. Jonathan Reed's case has not been on Coast-Coast recently DESPITE new data coming out each year. So you may be right - Coast-Coast are happy to have endless, boring 2012 interviewees on their schedule but the most vital contact cases are no longer on the show.
I have no idea since when they took over CtC. But it's a good example how easy it is to distract from a topic by just discrediting the source. Which doesn't mean that I am convinced of the Reed case yet.
Hi, - Yes the Link item was analysed and they received a report on the metal types it contained. That's the least interesting part about the saga though. It get's plain weird... especially when you find out that another researcher activated the Link item when Jonathan Reed was out of the room.
Hi Utopiated,
How was the link activated? What supposedly happened when the link artifact was activated? What were the effects?
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