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« Thread Started on Mar 22, 2007, 5:11pm »

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« Reply #1 on Mar 22, 2007, 5:24pm »

GREAT FIND ZAGGAN!!!!

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by Marlowe Hood

PARIS (AFP) - France became the first country to open its files on UFOs Thursday when the national space agency unveiled a website documenting more than 1,600 sightings spanning five decades.

The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists.

"It is a world first," said Jacques Patenet, the aeronautical engineer who heads the office for the study of "non-identified aerospatial phenomena."

Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption.

"Cases such as the lady who reported seeing an object that looked like a flying roll of toilet paper" are clearly not worth investigating, said Patenet.

But many others involving multiple sightings -- in at least one case involving thousands of people across France -- and evidence such as burn marks and radar trackings showing flight patterns or accelerations that defy the laws of physics are taken very seriously.

A phalanx of beefy security guards formed a barrier in front of the space agency (CNES) headquarters where the announcement was made, "to screen out uninvited UFOlogists," an official explained.

Of the 1,600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25 percent are classified as "type D", meaning that "despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain," Patenet said.

On January 8, 1981 outside the town of Trans-en-Provence in southern France, for example, a man working in a field reported hearing a strange whistling sound and seeing a saucer-like object about 2.5 meters (eight feet) in diameter land in his field about 50 meters (yards) away.

A dull-zinc grey, the saucer took off, he told police, almost immediately, leaving burn marks. Investigators took photos, and then collected and analyzed samples, and to this day no satisfactory explanation has been made.

The nearly 1,000 witness who said they saw flashing lights in the sky on November 5, 1990, by contrast, had simply seen a rocket fragment falling back into earth's atmosphere.

Patenet's answer to questions about evidence of life beyond Earth was sure to inflame the suspicions of those convinced the government is holding back: "We do not have the least proof that extra-terrestrials are behind the unexplained phenomena."

But then he added: "Nor do we have the least proof that they aren't."

The CNES fields between 50 and 100 UFO reports ever year, usually written up by police. Of these, 10 percent are the object of on-site investigations, Patenet said.

Other countries collect data more or less systematically about unidentified flying objects, notably in Britain and in the United States, where information can be requested on a case-by-case basis under the Freedom of Information Act.

"But we decided to do it the other way around and made everything available to the public," Patenet said.

The aim was to make it easier for scientists and other UFO buffs to access the data for research.

The website itself -- which crashed host servers hours after it was unveiled due to heavy traffic -- is extremely well organized and complete, even including scanned copies of police reports.

To visit the website:

http://www.cnes-geipan.fr

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« Reply #2 on Mar 22, 2007, 5:29pm »

www.cnes-geipan.fr

That is great news zaggan. I remember last January when they announced this was going to happen:
http://www.nhne.org/news/NewsArticlesArc....08/Default.aspx

But now, I am getting no response to the actual website, probably swamped with Internet traffic.
www.cnes-geipan.fr

My trace route shows I am getting to France via a Paris NAP, but times out shortly after that.


18 185 ms 186 ms 186 ms montpellier-pos5-0.cssi.renater.fr [193.51.179.2
22]
19 185 ms 184 ms 185 ms toulouse-pos2-0.cssi.renater.fr [193.51.179.250]

20 187 ms 185 ms 186 ms 193.50.83.226
21 * * * Request timed out.

Probably be days before the general curiosity wears off. Wonder if a mirror site could be setup?

Darn, and I don't even read French!

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« Reply #3 on Mar 22, 2007, 5:52pm »

Here is the link :
http://www.cnes.fr/web/4461-geipan.php

"Jacques Patenet, the head of the UFO study group at the National Centre of Space Studies (CNES), cautioned that "ufologists will not find any scoops or unknown cases in this database"."
© 2007 DPA (http://www.playfuls.com/news_005727_France_Opens_Its_Official_UFO_Archives.html)

So, the real stuff was the release of the Cometa Report in 1999 :
http://www.netowne.com/ufos/important/cometa.htm
(Top retired military experts, advising both the President & Prime Minister).
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« Reply #4 on Mar 22, 2007, 6:12pm »

Ah, great Nemo!

Thanks. I was looking for a copy of that Cometa Report!

Edit to add: Oops, spoke too soon.
That's just a summary of the report... I had that one, already.

Do you know whether the full report is available anywhere?
(Even in French)

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #5 on Mar 22, 2007, 6:27pm »

Thought the same thing Garuda, Soooo I just uploaded it to my esnips account.

The COMETA Report is in two parts.

Download Part One here

Download Part two here

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« Reply #6 on Mar 23, 2007, 4:22am »

Great, Jake!
Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on Mar 24, 2007, 6:03pm »

Wasn't COMETA more of a general world-wide example of "best case" UFO reports? This disclosure would seem to be more local to France encounters.

Nice to see one government divesting itself of UFO secrets. Kudos to the French! :)


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PS - Thanks for the link JR. Didn't even know an english translation existed!
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« Reply #8 on Mar 24, 2007, 6:11pm »

Comments on the French disclosure by mainstream media.

AP wire story, as reported on FoxNews Website:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260590,00.html

Same AP Wire store on MSNbc (in case above link has problem):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17753893/

The Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con....l?nav=rss_world

Yahoo news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/wl_afp/sciencespaceufo


Interesting point in the story. There are roughly 100,000 cases reported in France since 1937. This is only "the first batch" of the total. Suggesting the rest will be forthcoming.

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« Reply #9 on Apr 11, 2007, 8:03am »

Fantastic news that they have done this, it really is.
Just hope they will be a role model for the rest of the world.
Its not that easy in the UK, we have only had the freedom of information act since 2005.
And each report is relesed on a case to case basis, its a painfully slow process.
You can see this information seeping out alot more, i think the media is taking it seriously, it's getting alot more attention.
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« Reply #10 on May 18, 2007, 12:28pm »

Seems there is now an English version of the French disclosure website CNES/Le Geipan (for those of us not bi-lingual).

http://www.cnes.fr/web/5038-geipan.php


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