A commercial airline pilot has reported seeing two unidentified flying objects in the sky near Guernsey.
The bright yellow flat disc shapes, estimated to be twice the size of a Boeing 737, were spotted on Monday, 12 to 15 miles north east of the island.
Captain Ray Bowyer was about to fly an Aurigny plane from Alderney to Southampton when he saw the objects through binoculars.
Mr Bowyer said he was "pretty shook-up" by the sighting.
"This is not something you see every day of the week - it was pretty scary," he said.
At first he thought it was the sun reflecting from greenhouses in Guernsey. He said the objects were bright like the sun, but did not hurt his eyes when he looked at them.
The stationary objects were also observed by other aircraft and the passengers on the plane.
John Spencer, deputy chairman of the British UFO Research Association, said: "These types of sightings have been reported by pilots - generally accepted to be reliable and sensible observers - since the 1940s and they have excited attention to this day.
"Such light effects are often popularly thought to represent alien visitors but many UFO researchers believe they more likely represent natural, atmospheric, phenomena not yet fully understood by science.
"However, a similar encounter in 1978 over the Bass Straits in Australia, where the pilot was in radio contact with the ground throughout, resulted in the pilot never being heard from again, so these phenomena are important to study."
This is the sort of sighting that is taken seriously and should be investigated thoroughly Nick Pope, former UFO investigator for the MOD
Nick Pope, who used to investigate UFOs for the Ministry of Defence said: "While no witnesses are infallible, pilots are trained observers and less likely than most people to misidentify something mundane.
"The MoD's UFO case files contain several reports from civil and military pilots, some of which were correlated by radar. This is the sort of sighting that is taken seriously and should be investigated thoroughly.
"While most UFOs can be explained as misidentifications of aircraft, weather balloons, satellites and suchlike, a small percentage are more difficult to explain. This is one of the most intriguing sightings I've heard about in recent years."
A current spokesperson for the Ministry of Defence, said that while it does monitor air space for any unusual foreign objects which might pose a threat, they would not be carrying out an investigation in this instance. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/guernsey/6591365.stm
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Re: Breaking News! UFO - UK - Amazing report! « Reply #1 on Apr 26, 2007, 6:29am »
That was amazingly well balanced reporting. They were neither for nor against the sighting. I miss that kind of reporting when it comes to the main stream media.
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Re: Breaking News! UFO Guernsey, UK - Amazing repo « Reply #2 on Apr 26, 2007, 2:24pm »
Sweet. Just recently bought myself a decent camcorder, im now just waiting for the day when I spot a UFO worthy of capturing on film... I work as a driver all day and yes, my cam comes with me..... Just incase
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Re: Breaking News! UFO Guernsey, UK - Amazing repo « Reply #3 on Apr 27, 2007, 6:58am »
This amazing footage was shot on the same day - and only a relatively short distance from Guernsey - apparently three different independant sources took these videos - so the Guernsey pilot, passenger, radar incident and these two seperate videos ALL happened in VERY close proximity in both location and date! If all the evidence checks out - this could be one of the most important sightings to date.
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Re: Breaking News! UFO Guernsey, Alderney, France « Reply #4 on Apr 27, 2007, 7:05am »
Now TWO pilots have come forward on this one. This is possibly a better documented case than O'Hare already -
UFO sightings are being investigated by the Ministry of Defence.
Experienced Aurigny pilot Captain Ray Bowyer’s reports of massive UFOs off the coast of Alderney have been corroborated by a Blue Islands pilot en route to Jersey.
Two experienced airline pilots on separate flights saw something up to a mile wide off the coast of Alderney on Monday afternoon. Surprisingly, Jersey radar equipment did not pick up the object, although an air traffic controller said he had received simultaneous reports from the Aurigny and Blue Islands pilots.
Aurigny’s Captain Ray Bowyer, 50, said he saw the strange object during a flight from Southampton.
He spotted a bright-yellow light 10 miles west of Alderney while his plane was about 30 miles from the island and at 4,000ft. ‘It was a very sharp, thin yellow object with a green area. It was 2,000ft up and stationary,’ he said.
‘I thought it was about 10 miles away, although I later realised it was approximately 40 miles from us. At first, I thought it was the size of a 737.’
A 737 is slightly smaller than a jumbo jet.
‘But it must have been much bigger because of how far away it was. It could have been as much as a mile wide.’
As he continued his approach to Alderney, Capt. Bowyer saw a second identical object further to the west.
‘It was exactly the same but looked smaller because it was further away. It was closer to Guernsey.’
The sightings come days after reports that scientists have discovered outside our solar system an Earth-like planet capable of supporting extraterrestrial life.
‘I can’t explain it. At first, I thought it might have been a reflection from a vinery in Guernsey, but that would have disappeared quickly. This was clearly visual for about nine minutes.’
The sightings happened at about 3pm. Capt. Bowyer, who has flown commercial planes for about 20 years, said he had described the objects to air traffic control and filled in an incident report. ‘As I got closer to it, it became clear to me that it was tangible. I was in two minds about going towards it to have a closer look but decided against it because of the size of it. I had to think of the safety of the passengers first.’
He added that the experience had been quite scary.
‘I’m certainly not saying that it was something of another world. All I’m saying is that I have never seen anything like it before in all my years of flying.’
Paul Kelly, 31, the air traffic controller who was on duty, said the Blue Islands pilot had made a similar report, but nothing had appeared on his radar.
‘The pilot from Blue Islands was en route to Jersey at the same time and as he went past Sark he described an object behind him to his left,’ he said.
‘The description was very similar to Captain Bowyer’s and they described it as being in exactly the same place. But they were looking at it from opposite sides.’
The pilot told him the object had been 1,500ft beneath his plane. ‘The Blue Islands plane was at 3,500ft at the time so, again, both pilots placed it at the same altitude.
‘If the object was stationary, our equipment would not have picked it up because the radar would have screened it out.’
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Some psychological inconsitencies : The object stayed for more than 2 hours since the author of the footage stated :
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I first saw it at 5:30PM and it stayed there almost without moving nor noise until the sun went down
And there are NO interceptors, NO black heli, NO police, NO TV team with big zoom cameras, no nothing. Instead during all that time the people stayed here without trying to get better equipments plus they stopped filming when the object started to move and finally we got less than 1 minute of footage...
Well it's possible that things happen this way but it's very unlikely, isn't it ?
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #7 on Apr 28, 2007, 9:03am »
In the context of what we have been lead to believe over the last 60+ years - yes, it is very unlikely.
But considering the context of what our inside sources are starting to reveal - it would be very likely.
There can always be a good mundane 'explanation' for any visual document in debunking terms - "it's CGI" or "why did the camera stop/start, focus/not focus etc,. (delete as appropriate ) or I've even seen "it's too good to be true."
No one's making any declaration of reality - but people are and should report and discuss what they see / hear in the knowledge that at least they will not be ridiculed but instead will be listened to and treated with dignity and respect.
For instance, here's a good possible explanation:
"Another pilot, Flybe’s Troy Queripel, put forward that theory yesterday.
‘There is military air space all around Guernsey and there is a lot of activity in that space. We call them danger areas,’ said the 40-year-old.
‘My theory is that it could have been some sort of military test aircraft that entered our air space by mistake.’ The objects were seen by Aurigny captain Ray Bowyer and confirmed by the pilot of a Blue Islands aircraft. Reports were sent to the Ministry of Defence for further investigation.
French military air space starts 20 miles west of Guernsey and occupies an area of approximately 150 square miles. British military air space starts 40 miles north of Guernsey and Captain Queripel believes military involvement was the likeliest explanation.
‘I am not trying to discredit anything that Ray said because I saw him 45 minutes after the incident and he was clearly shaken. He obviously saw something.
‘But think about the stealth bomber and the U2 spy plane. They were being tested for years before anyone was aware of them. ‘The stealth bomber had been around for 25 years before anyone knew about it. The first the Iraqis knew of it was when it was above them dropping bombs.’
He said it is impossible to know what is being tested today. ‘The U2 spy plane was taking photos over Russia and they knew nothing about it at first.’
Captain Queripel, who has been a pilot for seven years, said military air spaces around the island are off-limits to commercial planes. ‘They are called danger areas for a reason: enter them at your peril. You can ask for permission to go through, but it would usually be denied.’
He added: ‘Two per cent of me thinks it was little green men, but the other 98% thinks it was the military testing new technology that we haven’t even heard of.’ "
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #8 on Apr 28, 2007, 9:27am »
If you were to take the skin of an aircraft that was only 1mm thick and you were to cover one mile of surface area twice over. That would be a serious amount of metal being used for one "military aitcraft". Then you would have to inflate it to make a saucer shape. That alone might make another 1/3 or a mile or more of metal.
We haven't even touched the insides and furnishings. I have to wonder if the pilot of the plane who commented that it might be military craft is a Martian or not. He must be, if he thinks you could build something that large without anyone noticing the huge drain on metallic resources, not to mention the electricity to power fabrication plants. Your talking about a heavy duty construction site.
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #9 on Apr 28, 2007, 1:21pm »
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In the context of what we have been lead to believe over the last 60+ years - yes, it is very unlikely.
But considering the context of what our inside sources are starting to reveal - it would be very likely.
There can always be a good mundane 'explanation' for any visual document in debunking terms - "it's CGI" or "why did the camera stop/start, focus/not focus etc,. (delete as appropriate ) or I've even seen "it's too good to be true."
No one's making any declaration of reality - but people are and should report and discuss what they see / hear in the knowledge that at least they will not be ridiculed but instead will be listened to and treated with dignity and respect.
For instance, here's a good possible explanation:
"Another pilot, Flybe’s Troy Queripel, put forward that theory yesterday.
‘There is military air space all around Guernsey and there is a lot of activity in that space. We call them danger areas,’ said the 40-year-old.
‘My theory is that it could have been some sort of military test aircraft that entered our air space by mistake.’ The objects were seen by Aurigny captain Ray Bowyer and confirmed by the pilot of a Blue Islands aircraft. Reports were sent to the Ministry of Defence for further investigation.
French military air space starts 20 miles west of Guernsey and occupies an area of approximately 150 square miles. British military air space starts 40 miles north of Guernsey and Captain Queripel believes military involvement was the likeliest explanation.
‘I am not trying to discredit anything that Ray said because I saw him 45 minutes after the incident and he was clearly shaken. He obviously saw something.
‘But think about the stealth bomber and the U2 spy plane. They were being tested for years before anyone was aware of them. ‘The stealth bomber had been around for 25 years before anyone knew about it. The first the Iraqis knew of it was when it was above them dropping bombs.’
He said it is impossible to know what is being tested today. ‘The U2 spy plane was taking photos over Russia and they knew nothing about it at first.’
Captain Queripel, who has been a pilot for seven years, said military air spaces around the island are off-limits to commercial planes. ‘They are called danger areas for a reason: enter them at your peril. You can ask for permission to go through, but it would usually be denied.’
He added: ‘Two per cent of me thinks it was little green men, but the other 98% thinks it was the military testing new technology that we haven’t even heard of.’ "
Unless of course the 'little green men' were doing some recon on the military are around the 'Danger Area'...
‘I am not trying to discredit anything that Ray said because I saw him 45 minutes after the incident and he was clearly shaken. He obviously saw something.
‘But think about the stealth bomber and the U2 spy plane. They were being tested for years before anyone was aware of them. ‘The stealth bomber had been around for 25 years before anyone knew about it. The first the Iraqis knew of it was when it was above them dropping bombs.’
The stealth bomber was revealed to the world in 1980 (fully 27 years ago) by Jimmy Carter. (Presumably even Saddam read about it 27 years ago!) Both the U2 and the Stealth were simply technological advances on the 'firecracker-tied-to-our-asses paradigm invented by the Chinese a thousand years ago. The Guernsey sighting was of a different order altogether. To write it off as some kind of military R and D is at best disingenuous and at worst a deliberate obfuscation.
He said it is impossible to know what is being tested today. ‘The U2 spy plane was taking photos over Russia and they knew nothing about it at first.’
That may be true in part. Bigger and better firecrackers, perhaps. But mile wide crafts that hang in the ether? Gimme a break.
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #12 on Apr 29, 2007, 2:50am »
OK, OK, I know this doesn't belong here but, I don't want to start a new tread so, Did any one see the Blue light? or object go (into?) the moon? I know you guys that are signed up probably didn't. But I was just outside with the dogs, nice and clear here, starring at the sky and the nice bright moon. When from out of the (east?) could of been space, a blue (object?) streaked toward the moon. It did NOT go in front of it. I thought it went behind it, but it did not come out the other side. Just wondering if anyone else saw it.
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #13 on Apr 29, 2007, 4:51am »
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OK, OK, I know this doesn't belong here but, I don't want to start a new tread so, Did any one see the Blue light? or object go (into?) the moon? I know you guys that are signed up probably didn't. But I was just outside with the dogs, nice and clear here, starring at the sky and the nice bright moon. When from out of the (east?) could of been space, a blue (object?) streaked toward the moon. It did NOT go in front of it. I thought it went behind it, but it did not come out the other side. Just wondering if anyone else saw it.
Hi DF,
Indeed something that would be for the thread on bases on the moon.
I didn't see it.
But I once, as a kid growing up, saw the same phenomenon.
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Re: Guernsey UFO seen by 2 pilots "Huge"! « Reply #14 on Apr 29, 2007, 8:27am »
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OK, OK, I know this doesn't belong here but, I don't want to start a new tread so, Did any one see the Blue light? or object go (into?) the moon? I know you guys that are signed up probably didn't. But I was just outside with the dogs, nice and clear here, starring at the sky and the nice bright moon. When from out of the (east?) could of been space, a blue (object?) streaked toward the moon. It did NOT go in front of it. I thought it went behind it, but it did not come out the other side. Just wondering if anyone else saw it.
Damn! I hope you follow up on this one, Fly. Sounds very interesting!
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