If this is a legit video I think there are a few things that can be taken away.
Let's assume this is a mode of communication. What I find in terms of context or grammer is the difference of color in the light stream. I really feel that if we pull apart what this is we need the source video that the stills were taken from.
It would have also helped to get a 2nd angle of this projection in order to establish dimension but until that happens we can work off of a flat projection model.
Going forward, if anyone sees this type of display again it would be great to get 2 angles, if it persists over the same 13 minute frame.
but with what we have let's take a look at the data in front of us.
We are told it was a pulse so contextually, that could also serve as a phrase but since we can't see the pulse we can only assume that the screen grab was taken at a random instance without the benefit of the full pulse.
That assumption made we have 2 factors left. The colors in the light and the shapes that it is making.
I'll start with the colors first since that will tell us quickly if it was the same string of light waved about or if it was a single light that changed colors in the same sequence or it was a sequence of light that denotes an end stop to the message and the start of another.
The earthfiles pics are a little blown out but I think they might do for now.
In the article linked above I'll start some preliminary analysis.
Maybe starts green Yellow blue/purple turquoise yellow violet yellow turquoise violet yellow blue turquoise violet turquoise blue turquoise yellow
Turquoise and yellow seem to always be next to each other, as is blue and turquoise.
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It seems these happen in rapid successions at 2 per second. I don't know if that's non stop or in a cycle. If there are no breaks it's hard to know what to make of it but I'd like to find out.
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #2 on Feb 8, 2008, 9:21pm »
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I don't know, Nek. If the noise is generated by the camera then it would not streak from hand shaking. If there were something else that the camera could have seen such as a foreground or background object then that could be used but I have looked at the pics on the LMH site and can see nothing but the "symbols".
What do you mean? But there is a lot of noise there, without it symbol edges would be perfectly clean and smooth. Unless you think that the light source itself has such 'noisy edges'? I think it is just common video camera noise and as such it should keep changing, it has to 'move' while the symbols are standing still if the video is indeed showing what witnesses are talking about.
Here's my image and one of LMH's with enhanced noise contrast.
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #4 on Feb 8, 2008, 10:27pm »
Here are a few more shots of Sirius taken with various camera settings while I was experimenting trying to match the symbols. Some were shot through a closed window, so I suppose that's why they seem like 'double vision'.
Remember, it is all just my hands shaking at long zoom range and Sirius, the brightest star in the sky twinkling as usual.
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #5 on Feb 8, 2008, 11:09pm »
nekitamo - I think what you are showing is important. What I'm trying to see now is how one burst from a start could have multiple levels of intensity. I know atmospheric conditions could lend to that effect so I'm trying to understand if that phenomena could be duplicated as strongly with a star.
Why I've started to dig into this particular facet is that I have seen a few accounts now speaking of "the light show". So unless it's an orchestrated story/hoax I think that the witnesses corroborate each other.
That would lead to this tape being a capture of the phenomena or someone trying to hoax a result to gel with the story. Those are the 2 options I see right now.
What still makes analysis difficult is orientation. If this is a real communication I think orientation would be important unless there was a way this was being projected in 360 deg. as the same character at different times. the orientation, if it's not uniform, would be an important detail. Perhaps we could discover if there is a direction this was oriented toward and triangulate that supposition with the shooters location to see if there was an area this message was intended for?
What we are left with is color, shape, timing of pulse, location, sequence and duration.
If anyone else can see a variable that might be a factor please let me know.
Breaking down like characteristics would seem to be the path for proving it's legit.
Duplicating the effect on a static star would help in providing other like phenomena that either have been mistaken or fall into the same category.
The source tape would be awfully helpful here. If the shot is long enough to have another static object to provide perspective that would help rule out camera motion or extended exposure...
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #6 on Feb 8, 2008, 11:44pm »
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... The source tape would be awfully helpful here. If the shot is long enough to have another static object to provide perspective that would help rule out camera motion or extended exposure...
I also believe the tape to be the key to this sighting. Someone ought to share this video for analysis and I hope it's not up to LMH to decide, as we've had some bad experiences with her in such cases already (with high-resolution Big Basin drone images). As for more of my 'twinkling-star' images, no problem - providing it's not cloudy, I can make tons of them. But I'm not so sure about the 'controlled shaking' required for the ones you've described, that seems a bit harder.
Btw, I also have a theory about the color coding: if colors 'slide' continuously up and down through the visible spectrum instead of 'skipping', it's probably not coding at all. So if it's 'blue-indigo-blue-green' it's probably due to twinkling, variable atmospheric dispersion or such stuff, but if it's 'indigo-red-green-orange-violet' that's another thing...
Btw, I also have a theory about the color coding: if colors 'slide' continuously up and down through the visible spectrum instead of 'skipping', it's probably not coding at all. So if it's 'blue-indigo-blue-green' it's probably due to twinkling, variable atmospheric dispersion or such stuff, but if it's 'indigo-red-green-orange-violet' that's another thing...
We are on the same page on that. That's why I'm trying to see if there is a situation where the spectrum is broken on the pics.
If it's a natural shift then that would support a type of red/blue shift with camera movement and or atmospheric conditions.
LMH would do as all good to release the source and not just the grabs.
Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #8 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:06am »
I interviewed this man and did a story that I still have. I watched the video about three times. In the frames from Howe -- the first frame you see is when he tries to zoom in. That happens several times as he tries to zoom in. There are parts of the video that are crystal clear. Those frames you see here are very blurry and do not really give an accurate picture. He did show me how he held the camera against the porch post to try and remain steady. Don't know if this or the article might help. I also noticed the background noise was continuous throughout. Just traffic passing on the highway and he and Eric talking about what they were seeing. He said his grandson called his attention to "funny lightning" the night before but when he went out he didn't see anything and the skies were clear. The kid was seven and he told me about it. too.
Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #9 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:14am »
One more thing, the constable confirmed to me this is what he saw. He said it was "like a light show." It was not exactly what Steve Allen saw but he said it was the closest thing to what he had seen. He said, "It kept changing shapes." It was shown on Channel 11 news with Carol C. broadcasting from the courthouse square in Stephenville. She sent the small portion she had to her analysts and as far as I know they found nothing questionable. I was there with her in the live truck so I'm sure she would have told me if they had found a problem. She called me just to come and see it because they were all so amazed. But I have to say those reproductions look a lot like it. Did anyone see the Channel 11 news tonight? I just now remembered they were coming on with something. Sorry, off topic.
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #10 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:20am »
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One more thing, the constable confirmed to me this is what he saw. He said it was "like a light show." It was not exactly what Steve Allen saw but he said it was the closest thing to what he had seen. He said, "It kept changing shapes." It was shown on Channel 11 news with Carol C. broadcasting from the courthouse square in Stephenville. She sent the small portion she had to her analysts and as far as I know they found nothing questionable. I was there with her in the live truck so I'm sure she would have told me if they had found a problem. She called me just to come and see it because they were all so amazed. But I have to say those reproductions look a lot like it. Did anyone see the Channel 11 news tonight? I just now remembered they were coming on with something. Sorry, off topic.
I saw the channel 11 news, and I was a bit disapointed that the guy didnt mention Aurora in the history portion, as I have done extensive research into that crash lately.
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Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #11 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:25am »
I would also like to get back on topic by saying that I still think that the shapes may be some type of attempt at communication with us. If not, I sure dont have a clue as to what their meaning might possibly be. I am no expert, but these same types of lights are being seen all over the world lately.
Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #12 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:34am »
This notion of communication through some kind of arial projected 'symbols' seems to be a very inefficient and ineffective method of communication... in that the 'symbols' of communication would have to be arranged, constructed, and projected toward a specific swath of degrees of view... meaning if I saw a symbol to my East that you just happen to see at the same exact time to your West would the image you see be exactly like the image that I see...??? most likely not... also if I were to have seen the symbol to my North or South would someone seeing that very same symbol to their East or West see the same thing I was...???
I think what Neki is demonstrating is much more plausible... one thing that is interesting is that according to the story, "story", the symbols could also be seen by the naked eye... almost as if it were a 'glowing vapor trail' of sorts... if that were in fact true then I would have to think about that a little more... but what Neki just showed us makes sense in that if the camera was on one setting during the entire filming and it just happened get that affect then all the patterns should be consistent in said affects intensity and they seem to be so... I think seeing the video in opposed to seeing the 'stills' would provide some more clarity on this possible 'symbol' interpretation...
I can imagine considering the 'high strangeness' that has been so frequently occuring down there in TX that it could have an over riding affect influencing other observations of benign phenomena... So these 'observations' are being viewed as stranger than they probably are ... I could see this as being very easy to fall victim too.. clarity can be hard to retain when you've experienced so many strange things...
Re: Deconstucting the "projected symbols" « Reply #14 on Feb 9, 2008, 6:00am »
what other possibilities are there for them? These 'things' can be invisible when they wish, so why do they choose to be so visible, in such an elaborate way?
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