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UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 11, 2008, 12:09am

This happened not 20 miles from my house. Here is the news article from the local paper.

Possible UFO sighting

Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:16 AM CST

Four area residents witness mysterious object, lights in Selden sky

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer

Steve Allen, Mike Odom and Lance Jones were out admiring a beautiful Texas sunset Tuesday evening when they saw something none of them can explain.

Allen called it an unidentified flying object. And, because he's been a private pilot for more than 30 years, he has a little more experience judging air speeds and distances than most.

“We all flipped out,” Allen said. “I didn't sleep a wink last night.”

Allen was at the home of Mike Odom in Selden about 6:15 p.m. when they suddenly noticed flashing lights about “3,500 feet above ground level,” he said.

“The ship wasn't really visible and was totally silent, but the lights spanned about a mile long and a half mile wide,” Allen said. “The lights went from corner to corner. It was directly above Highway 67 traveling towards Stephenville at a high rate of speed - about 3,000 miles per hour is what I would estimate.”

Allen said the lights were not those of a normal aircraft. He said they were more like strobe lights, and while they were all watching, the lights reconfigured themselves from a single horizontal line into two sets of vertical lights.

“The two sets were approximately one-quarter of a mile apart,” Allen said. “Then they turned into dirty burning flames. The flames were not blue. They were white in color. About two seconds later it disappeared completely.”

Allen said they were all scratching their heads and talking about what it could have been, when approximately 10 minutes later, the object flew overhead again.

“This time it came from the west traveling east towards Glen Rose,” Allen said. “And it was about two or three miles south of 67, and two military jets, possibly F16s, were in pursuit.”

“I was asking, “Are you guys seeing that?” Allen said.

Mike Odom said he didn't have trouble sleeping but it was a “wild experience.”

“It's unexplainable,” Odom said. “It was something not natural; it was moving way too fast.”

Odom said he saw one other unexplainable object in the sky in 1978 when he was in Arizona.

“Back then something flew over with lights all around,” Odom said. “I think this thing bothered all of us, but it probably bothered Steve more because he's a pilot and he flies a lot.”

“It was neat,” Lance Jones said. “It was something. I've never seen anything like it before but it didn't scare me. I just figured it was military.”

Odom's wife, Claudette, said she was previously employed as a flight attendant.

“Lights were going up and down the side,” she said. “There was no sound, just the lights. It was moving so fast. It wasn't a plane. I know how planes move. Honestly, I think it was a UFO. It was so fast you couldn't have put your finger on it and move it fast enough to follow it.”

Allen said he has never seen a UFO until now, but he did suspect there was something to UFO stories all along.

“I was very surprised to finally get my eyes on one,” Allen said. “If anybody else saw this and got pictures I hope they will contact me.”

Allen said he has already reported the sighting to Washington, and is in the process of writing a report on the event.

Allen is the owner of L & S Enterprises and Texas Freight in Glen Rose. He can be contacted at 254-898-1117.

The group plans to return to Odom's house and keep an eye on the sky in the near future, hoping to see it again.

ANGELIA JOINER is a staff writer for the Empire-Tribune.
http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/10/news/news02.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 11, 2008, 1:10am

Hi verum. Nothing is better than a pilot sighting. Interesting read. Funny how the F16's are all to often common in these events... I'm trying to grasp the size of the craft... Hmmm.
Oh and welcome to OMF!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by tychoma on Jan 11, 2008, 1:47am

I hope we get some more witnesses in the next couple of days, this could be a big one?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 11, 2008, 2:09am

@nibiru-The size that Allen described is amazing. A possible craft that is 5000 ft long and 2000 ft wide. That is like having 2 or more aircraft carriers in the sky. To me, since the witness' (I personally know two of them) desribe the lights changing formation, maybe what they were witnessing was a whole squadron of alien craft instead of one big one. Erath County sits right in between two major military airfields. 65 miles to the east sits Carswell JRB (Joint Reserve Base)in Fort Worth, and 90 miles to the west is Dyess AFB in Abilene. And only about 10 -15 miles from where the craft was reported is a secret US Govt. location not to far off of state hwy 144. It is high fenced with razor wire. There is a private road that leads up to the main gate. The gate has humvees with very well armed guards at it. I checked the area on a FAA flight map and sure enough it was a no fly zone.

Sorry I got off target there.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 11, 2008, 2:13am

Not off target at all. Living there, do you think it's our military?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 11, 2008, 2:20am

I doubt it. But any guess would be pure specualtion on my part. Why were the F-16s chasing the UFO?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by magooollo on Jan 11, 2008, 9:09am

was it et visiting to exchange materials, personell. Did their cloaking device fail, those so called no fly zones perhaps they are that way so et can drop straight down and drop off supplies on black nights. Makes sense.

Could have been an observation flight ( common if u had secret advanced tech that could cloak and float against gravity) and u have motherships on the far side of moon and youre observing or perhaps interacting with a select group of natives ( usg black ops) would u have specific designated flight zones u could drop off

Could the craft be one of ours a resupply mission to a moon base that we have perhaps jointly with et

Could the et just be observing as part of treaty ground based human installations - with f1l6 playing escort or intercept ? did they fly into the wrong area so many questions but applying some logic makes sense

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 11, 2008, 12:49pm

I wondered if maybe all the sightings of this type.. pheonix/jersey/this..etc.

is our own.. using tech we got from them.... and maybe the gov or whoever has been making these appearances over these certain places to see how everyone reacts?...
and it seems like each one happens in an area that would be fairly easy to control if panic struck...?..? I dunno....
its very exciting to me though.
I like the idea of the motherships on the moons dark side..... tis interesting , as I had a thought of that earlier this evening.. just a daydream i think.. of a ship sneaking around from behind the moon n makin its way here..lol, then you say that.
I would bet just about everything I have that there are structures over on the far side.. being used all the time to prolly...
d**n..
I wonder how the media will treat it , and if more ppl will tell if they saw it or not,
I think maybe we are going to start seeing these same type of sightings time after time starting this year...more n more often.. we'll see...
Thanks alot for the info, many thanks!
Blessings

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 11, 2008, 4:00pm

This sighting has just blown up around here. This article is not online yet, so I am going to transcribe it and provide the link to it later when our small town newspaper gets it online.

Mysterious sightings keep locals guessing

By ANGELIA JOINER
Staff Writer

A number of area residents have come forward saying they also saw mysterious lights witnessed by Steve Allen and friends Tuesday night in Selden.

"It was like nothing I've ever seen before," comes up over and over in their descriptions of bright lights in the sky. Accounts have come in from various locations and a few of those brave enough to come forward are listed below with stories of their own.

Major Karl Lewis of Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth (Carswell Field) believes he might be able to solve the mystery in a couple of days.

Allen said his phone rang all day Wednesday with people reporting to him that they had seen the strange lights in the sky.

David Jaquess
"I live 4.6 miles out on Hwy. 67. About 6:15 p.m. I saw something as I was turning in my driveway. I won't say it was a UFO but I will say it was UFL, meaning it was unidentified flying lights. They were real bright yellow and I thought I must be seeing the sun reflecting off a plane. I'm guessing they were five miles away from me. But, they were unusually bright like a welding arc being struck - it was that bright. I don't discount UFOs but I don't necessarily believe in them either. I got a call this morning saying there was a story about a UFO in today's paper and it was out where I live. I immediately said, ' Yeah, I saw it.' I was looking west/southwest."

Dublin Constable Lee Roy Gaitan
"I was outside with my eight-year-old son, Ryan, when I saw lights. It was like nothing I've ever seen before. It was dark already. At first it was two red burning glows that went away and then came back on. I went inside to tell my wife. When I came back out I saw something like lights you'd see in a bar. My little boy and I counted and we came up with nine flashes and they were real spread out. But I couldn't see them attached to anything, just the lights. Si I went to my pickup and got my binoculars to see if I could see a plane or something. Even with my binoculars there was no outline. It started moving towards Stephenville and moving so fast I had trouble following it with my binoculars. It covered a big area. It sounds crazy but we really saw what we saw. As a matter of fact I mentioned it to a fellow officer in Stephenville and he called me up and said to get the Stephenville paper because I wasn't going to believe what was in it. I also went to the Dublin paper but they had no other reports on it so I just dropped it. But my little boy went to school the next day and told everybody all about what we'd seen."

Anne Frazor
"I had just left the nursing home from seeing my husband. I was going down FM 914 towards Alexander. Just as I got to the hill at Alexander where Hwy. 6 crosses 914 I saw them - the lights. It scared me. I thought two planes were about to collide. The lights were as bright as a school bus ahead of you but up in the air. They were certainly much closer to the ground than I would appreciate them to be. I looked in my mirrors and there were no reflections. Just as I got to the top of the hill they were gone. It was about 6:40 p.m."

James Hughes
"I was a navigational specialist in the Air Force and I don't know what it was that I saw while I was walking two friends to their car at my home. But as soon as I saw it I jokingly said to them, 'Hey look - a UFO.' I saw two red lights acting unusual. There were two very bright red lights traveling in formation. By formation I mean they kept their positions respective to each other. They were so intensely bright that I realized they must be at a low altitude. But, there was no noise. The lights were not like a helicopter or a plane. I live near the courthouse, actually two blocks from it, towards the river. It was unusual."

ANGELIA JOINER is a staff writer for the Empire-Tribune. She can be reached at angelia.joiner@empiretribune.com or 254-965-3124.

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/11/news/news01.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 11, 2008, 4:16pm

I also wanted to add that there is a nuclear power plant not 10-12 miles from where Steve Allen reported his sighting. The plant is just outside Glen Rose, TX. It is called Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant. It is owned by TXU.

I personally know Daivd Jaquess. He is a very prominent building contractor and Constable Lee Roy Gaitan. Gaitan use to be the chief of police in Dublin, TX. These are some very credible witness'.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 11, 2008, 8:51pm

Awesome!!!
That is beautiful verum!!!
Now lets hope other news channels pick it up eh.
this is great though man! Thanks alot!!!
now get on out there with yer camera would ya?? lol;D

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by doublenoughtspy on Jan 12, 2008, 3:03pm

Now here is a credible ufo report! Notice the people who step up and give their real names, even though they are reporting something preposterous. Now has anyone else noticed that we don't see even one photograph? Instead of the usual stunning photograph with no real people, here we have the opposite. The truth is in the people, the honest ones with nothing to hide, and not in some digital image from an anonymous source.

Of course this will need to be investigated, and it will be, but there is plenty to start with and no silly email games.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 12, 2008, 11:19pm

Howdy Verum:

I'm looking at maps on Yahoo, trying to pin these sightings. I think you'd do better than me - you know the area. It's been a very long time since I've been in that part of Texas. Can you deduce from the locations of these sightings a flight track for this craft?

Also, just where on 144 is the secret facility? I wonder if the track points to that location.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 13, 2008, 3:42am

razpad

Steve Allen described the flight path followed US Hwy 67 going from Glen Rose, TX towards Stephenville, TX.. then he said the craft came back going towards dallas just off of Hwy. 67. The secret installation is on the east side of Hwy 144 between Walnut Springs, TX and Meridian, TX. Find County Road (CR) 2546 look north for Private Road(PR) 2549 that is the main road in. If you use google sat images you can see a guard shack a few hundred yards up from the hwy. On a wider few you can also see a private air strip. You will also notice that part of the image seems to be grayed out with a gray tint on the east side of this complex. The whole complex is a little over 3,000 acres. The main buildings sit in a valley. The main road in looks very out place in this ranching land. It is an interstate quality concrete road heading into what looks like a big ranch. The perimeter fence you can see from the hwy looks like a high game fence further in there is another fence with razor wire and a guard shack on the main road in. The interior description of the complex was given to me second hand by a pilot friend of mine that was there one time for a govt. auction. The front gate by the hwy looks pretty normal, like an oil field entrance gate with trespassing warning signs and warning signs that the property has electronic survalence.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 13, 2008, 10:50pm

Thanks, Verum!

Man, that ain't no little ranch airstrip! That thing is one and a quarter miles long!! There is a square building at the end of the strip - only 100ft on a side. Seems kinda small for a hangar. There's a "normal" sized airstrip to the SE - seems to be associated with an actual ranch (looks like a residence with landscaping and a couple of outbuildings).

The Yahoo maps version is quite a bit clearer than Google, and the roads aren't so screwed up.

I've got really good friends in Hico - moved there from Dallas a few years ago to open their own store. Think I'll drop em an email - see if they've heard any revealing gossip in their shop!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 13, 2008, 11:24pm

Also notice on the west end of the airstrip just of few yards south there is a tubalar structure that seems to go into the ground. I asked my pilot friend of mine a little more about the place when he went there. I asked him if he knew what was done there and he said he asked one of the employees what this place was for and he said they tested stealth wing designs there. I asked him why they were having an auction on that kind of place and he said that a tornado had damaged a bunch of stuff that they were auctioning off.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 14, 2008, 12:28am

If I'm looking at the same thing (tubular), it appears clearer on Yahoo Maps - it looks to be a berm of some kind.

From current Wikipedia entry on Walnut Springs Texas (interstingly posted only a week & a half ago):

Quote:

Local item of interest: Walnut Springs, Texas, Mystery "Airport"

December 31, 2007 notes:

A few miles south of Walnut Springs, behind significant hills on the west side of the site, and dense foliage on the east side, lies what appears to be an abandoned airport. Terrain and foliage, plus relative distance from highway TX-144 on the west side, and highway TX-927 on the east side, prevent unrestricted viewing of the location.

The facility is not marked as abandoned (magenta circle with an "x" centered on the circle) on any VFR sectional, or, any other aerial navigation map, unlike other abandoned or closed airports across the world, and by ICAO convention (International Civil Aviation Organization).

However, online photography does show both "runways" on site (there is a large, main runway of about 6,000 feet in length, and a smaller, slightly fan-shaped surface of about 1,500 feet in length), marked with what appears to be FAA-standard yellow "x" markings, indicating the surfaces are abandoned runways, but are unusable, unsafe, or both.

The physical location is inside a rough triangle that is composed of the cities of Walnut Springs, Morgan, and Meridian. The latitude and longitude is N 32.02536, W -97.67854, respectively.

The mystery airport is not the Diamond Seven Ranch private airstrip, located north-northwest of Morgan.

The site is easily found on all free mapping web sites. Microsoft TerraServer USA and Google Maps have the best photography of the location yet found.

All roads leading to the location are closed with green-painted US Government gates, and "No Trespassing" signs abound. The described signage is true for the entrance from TX-927, and TX-144.

January 1, 2008 Update:

Overnight research and correspondence has provided a potential explanation for this location's "mystery" airport.

Apparently, the site is a either a former, or still active, testing location for cross-section reflectivity of different types of ground- and aircraft-based radar. The relative proximity of the Ft. Worth, Texas, military/industrial manufacturing base may have a bearing on the facility. The facility is not a runway for aircraft, in the conventional sense.

Several similar locations can be found in California and Florida.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 14, 2008, 2:04am

razpad,

Check out the the pear shaped mound due north of the west end of the runway. You can tell that the trees around it have been cleared and the mound has some sort of square roof? maybe in the middle of it. I can't figure out what this might be.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 14, 2008, 2:57am

Ah, yes. The clearing is much larger than the mound, and seems to extend as a broad swath northward from the west end of the runway. There is another swath that appears to to be leveled extending NE from the same point to a smaller building. There seems to be a home(?) just to the north of the building across the road.

Mod: Just heard back from my friend in Hico - they were out of town last week, but she's gonna ask around.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 14, 2008, 2:48pm

Here is another follow up on the sighting from the local paper.

All eyes on the skies

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST

Mysterious lights in the sky and what some believe was an increased military air traffic in the past week has prompted the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) to schedule a meeting for 1 p.m. Saturday, Jan. 19, at Erath County Dairy Sales & Livestock Commission located on U.S. Highway 377/67 South.

MUFON Texas Senior Field Investigator and Assistant State Director Steve Hudgeons said field investigators from Waco, Fort Worth, and Dallas will be on hand to interview witnesses and complete sighting reports. He said MUFON is interested in Steve Allen’s first hand account of intensely bright lights and military jets over the Selden community last Tuesday night as well as other accounts.

“I have read the papers and have been sent several e-mails from people that have heard of this sighting and it looks as if there are a good many people that have either seen this or have heard about it,” Hudgeons said. “I will bring down a team of investigators and we will do a mass interview and then do a later follow-up with a selected group.”

Hudgeons said it is the unusually high number of people that claim to have witnessed the event as well as the credibility of those involved that has prompted his organization to become involved.

Founded in 1969, the Mutual UFO Network, Inc., is a nonprofit corporation dedicated, through its volunteers, to resolving the scientific enigma known collectively as unidentified flying objects (UFOs), according to its Web site, www.mufon.com.

The world wide organization headquartered in Denver, Colorado has two publications; the monthly MUFON UFO Journal addresses all aspects of the subject, and The International UFO Symposium Proceedings offers a yearly in-depth analysis of the UFO subject by world-renowned researchers, according to their Web site. Each is available to MUFON members and the public.

Allen said he has received a barrage of phone calls from others witnessing the Tuesday night event as well as reports of military air traffic but also received calls from individuals describing similar accounts. The accounts include a woman that said she saw the same thing in 1967 and worked to solve the mystery with former Sheriff David Hale. But, she said no conclusions were ever drawn.

Allen said he has been speaking with a Hillsboro resident who wishes to remain anonymous but is offering a substantial reward for authentic local pictures or videos to assist with validation of the claim. Allen is the owner of L & S Enterprises and Texas Freight in Glen Rose and can be reached at 254-898-1117.

Hudgeons said he encourages anyone with photos or film footage to wait until he can view the material at the meeting before turning it over to anyone else.

“Even if someone says they are from MUFON, don’t turn it over,” Hudgeons said. “I feel that someone from a government entity will pose as MUFON and try to take them.”

Major Karl Lewis of Naval Air Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth (Carswell Field) reported Friday that no military aircraft from his establishment were in the area Tuesday night. When questioned about military air traffic in the Stephenville area he said there could be a number of reasons for that and most likely it’s because of training missions related to the Brady area.

“There were no F16s from this unit operating and no other pilots from our unit reported a UFO,” Lewis said.

He also said the jets could have been in the area but from a different base or they could have been F18s, which are similar in appearance.

Lewis said after reading newspaper accounts of what area residents saw he has a plausible explanation — something that he has witnessed himself in his 32 years as a pilot.

“I think it was a consortium of lights. It sounds like sun reflection of an aircraft traveling at high altitude,” Lewis said. “That can cause an intensely bright light like that. Sometimes you can’t look at it because it is so bright. As the angle of the sun changes, the color dulls because the sun is setting on the horizon and it’s hitting the aircraft at a different angle.”

Lewis said intense orange, red or white lights as well as other colors may be seen when this occurs. He also said it could have been natural light phenomenon or a visual illusion caused by natural atmospheric conditions.

Hypothetically, Lewis said, an object of the reported size traveling through the atmosphere would leave a catastrophic “sound signature or footprint.”

“An aircraft traveling that fast and at that low altitude would leave an approximate path of four miles wide of damage,” Lewis said. “Low and fast like what was described, would leave a path similar to that of a tornado - it’s a pressure differentiation.”

Another point, he said, was something that fast and low to the ground would create thermal heat, which would create a vapor trail and none was reported.

Lewis said he knows of a plane traveling at mach one speed at an altitude of 5,000 feet, which caused a cinderblock house to collapse, so he doesn’t believe what witnesses spotted was actually a craft of any kind.

(See Monday’s edition of the E-T for an eyewitness account of the Tuesday evening event in Cleburne. The witness first saw what he claims is a UFO in the Cleburne area in 1995 and will be interviewed on the X-Zone radio show in Canada Monday evening Jan. 14. He has lectured on UFOs and paranormal issues in Roswell, New Mexico and New York City.)

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/13/news/news01.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Jan 14, 2008, 11:58pm

Looks like the AP have picked up on it

Dozens in Texas Town Report Seeing UFO
By ANGELA K. BROWN – 53 minutes ago

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STEPHENVILLE, Texas (AP) — In this farming community where nightfall usually brings clear, starry skies, residents are abuzz over reported sightings of what many believe is a UFO.

Several dozen people — including a pilot, county constable and business owners — insist they have seen a large silent object with bright lights flying low and fast. Some reported seeing fighter jets chasing it.

"People wonder what in the world it is because this is the Bible Belt, and everyone is afraid it's the end of times," said Steve Allen, a freight company owner and pilot who said the object he saw last week was a mile long and half a mile wide. "It was positively, absolutely nothing from these parts."

While federal officials insist there's a logical explanation, locals swear that it was larger, quieter, faster and lower to the ground than an airplane. They also said the object's lights changed configuration, unlike those of a plane. People in several towns who reported seeing it over several weeks have offered similar descriptions of the object.

Machinist Ricky Sorrells said friends made fun of him when he told them he saw a flat, metallic object hovering about 300 feet over a pasture behind his Dublin home. But he decided to come forward after reading similar accounts in the Stephenville Empire-Tribune.

"You hear about big bass or big buck in the area, but this is a different deal," Sorrells said. "It feels good to hear that other people saw something, because that means I'm not crazy."

Sorrells said he has seen the object several times. He said he watched it through his rifle's telescopic lens and described it as very large and without seams, nuts or bolts.

Maj. Karl Lewis, a spokesman for the 301st Fighter Wing at the Joint Reserve Base Naval Air Station in Fort Worth, said no F-16s or other aircraft from his base were in the area the night of Jan. 8, when most people reported the sighting.

Lewis said the object may have been an illusion caused by two commercial airplanes. Lights from the aircraft would seem unusually bright and may appear orange from the setting sun.

"I'm 90 percent sure this was an airliner," Lewis said. "With the sun's angle, it can play tricks on you."

Officials at the region's two Air Force bases — Dyess in Abilene and Sheppard in Wichita Falls — also said none of their aircraft were in the area last week. The Air Force no longer investigates UFOs.

About 200 UFO sightings are reported each month, mostly in California, Colorado and Texas, according to the Mutual UFO Network, which plans to go to the 17,000-resident town of Stephenville to investigate.

Fourteen percent of Americans polled last year by The Associated Press and Ipsos say they have seen a UFO.

Erath County Constable Lee Roy Gaitan said that he first saw red glowing lights and then white flashing lights moving fast, but that even with binoculars could not see the object to which the lights were attached.

"I didn't see a flying saucer and I don't know what it was, but it wasn't an airplane, and I've never seen anything like it," Gaitan said. "I think it must be some kind of military craft — at least I hope it was."

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Jan 15, 2008, 1:34am

It's on CNN.com now.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/14/ufo.sightings.ap/index.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 15, 2008, 1:57am

Quote:

Here is another follow up on the sighting from the local paper.

All eyes on the skies

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST

Allen said he has been speaking with a Hillsboro resident who wishes to remain anonymous but is offering a substantial reward for authentic local pictures or videos to assist with validation of the claim. Allen is the owner of L & S Enterprises and Texas Freight in Glen Rose and can be reached at 254-898-1117.
Hudgeons said he encourages anyone with photos or film footage to wait until he can view the material at the meeting before turning it over to anyone else.

“Even if someone says they are from MUFON, don’t turn it over,” Hudgeons said. “I feel that someone from a government entity will pose as MUFON and try to take them.”

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/13/news/news01.txt

Hmmm. This is important..

Verum you have done a great job of keeping us all informed on this!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by magooollo on Jan 15, 2008, 7:24am

so we have a secret government test flight installation under peoples noses ( hehe nothing new there) just look over youre back fence for flying saucers stamped property of US government.

Good to see the media picking up on this story, multiple witnesses, solid evidence, fighter jets accompanying ( escorting or chasing) yet no video or mobile phone footage or photographic evidence ( another UFO sighting of good quality without any clear evidence and its very frustrating)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 15, 2008, 1:21pm

Indeed it is.

Its also very frustrating to hear these educated fools talk about atmospheric conditions and that it was the "angle of the sun"..
yeah the angle of the sun, but people all over the area sighted it from different locations. GRRR
Thanks alot verum, great job bro.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 15, 2008, 3:34pm

I wanted to add that I did take some pictures of two chinook helicopters following the same flight pattern as the UFO sighting the day after the event.
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Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Jan 15, 2008, 5:01pm

Here is link to an Associated Press video on the subject.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=5955948

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 15, 2008, 5:20pm

Thanks Verum. This is a big one. Could be as important as the O'hare sighting. It has many verifiable witnesses who seem to have come forward as a group. It 's hard to cover up that kind of evidence. Any photos?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 15, 2008, 9:21pm

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/01/14.html
Texas UFO Sighting
Towards the start of the show, Peter Davenport reported on a multiple witness sighting in Texas. He noted that he'd received reports of a similar craft over Georgia on the same night. For more, see below:

Peter Davenport of the Natl. UFO Reporting Center sent us the following statement/reports:

STEPHENVILLE, TEXAS, TUESDAY, JANUARY 08, 2008— A very peculiar object was reported to NUFORC recently, which reportedly was seen by many people near Stephenville, Texas. We have not spoken with any of the witnesses yet, but an article from the Associated Press was released over the internet on the date of this posting, January 14.

We include below the “raw” reports which we have received, to date, about the alleged incident. We also would like to invite anyone who may have been witness to this event to please submit a short report, detailing the sighting, using our Online Report Form. Thank you!

--Peter B. Davenport, Director, Natl. UFO Reporting Center
Posted: 21:30 hrs. (Pacific), Monday, January 14, 2008

Report #1:
Flashing strobes, silent, flames out the back side and jets chasing it! On 1-8-2008 at 6:15 pm cst. my friends and I was watching the sunset when several strobes or flashing lights coming from the east at about 3500 foot agl heading west toward Stephenville, TX. Estimated speed was about 2000 to 3000 mph.

The strobes made several changes of flash patterns and configurations. The flight duration lasted about 3 minutes. The front two strobes was about 1/2 mile a part and the back ones was about 1 mile back from the front strobes. The back side of the flashing lights came to a vertical flashing. Then there was 2 separate vertical flames about 1/4 mile apart for several seconds and the craft was gone.

We never head ANY noise from the craft! They headed west towards Abilene, TX. Then about 10 minutes later here came the craft again with 2 jets chasing. They were headed east towards South Ft. Worth, TX, at about 4000 ft. agl. The jets were unable to catch and went off into the distance at FULL throttle.

I am a pilot and have been fling for 30 years and have never seen anything like this. I also fly several times a week in the area. The craft is NOT from around these parts!

The witnesses are 1. ((male name deleted) 254-((number deleted)), rancher/trucker 2. ((male name #2 deleted)) 254-((name deleted)), delivers mail for the U.S. Postal Service 3. ((male name #3 deleted)) (myself) 254-((number deleted)) or cell 817-((number deleted)) owner of a large transportation/trucking firm.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 15, 2008, 9:22pm

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NEWS ARTICLES

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/ufo+fever+sweeps+texan+town/1337247

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/15/wufo115.xml

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/01/1....ville-texas-tx/

http://www.koaa.com/aaaa_featured_stories/x940333881

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 15, 2008, 10:18pm

It looks like we are going to have a mini UFO convention in town this Saturday. I will be in attendance. I am wondering if any abduction claims will rise out of this sighting.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 15, 2008, 11:51pm

Holy crap batman! I am sitting in my office at 5:22pm CST when I hear this incredible roaring outside above the office. By the time I get outside it is gone. My phone then immediately rings and it is the wife. She is at home on the other end of town about 5 miles away. She says did you hear that roaring sound? I said he!! yes. She said it was vibrating stuff in the house. She ran outside with a camera with the roaring sound directly overhead slowly moving she said. It is overcast today and she said she couldn't see anything but the sound was so incredible that it seemed to vibrate the air around where it should be. She said once it passed over it went silent and did not fade away like a jet does. Given the recent circumstances I wanted to post this now in case there is another mass sighting. I am monitoring all emergency frequencies.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 16, 2008, 12:14am

There is no no doubt you have something crazy going on down there where the speed limit signs read : Don't mess with Texas! lol. (At least the last time I was there).

This quote comes from the 3rd link the admin (thank you) posted.

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Steve Allen, a pilot and freight company owner, said: "People wonder what in the world it is because this is the Bible Belt, and everyone is afraid it's the end of times."

Interesting. I think the average church goer knows they are not being told all they need to know.

Any idea what the sound was?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 16, 2008, 12:44am

At 6:32pm CST two military jets flew over Stephenville again moving very fast under the cloud cover going east to west. And I got two pics of them. Just in case the Air Force tries to say they didn't have any jets in the area. Again.

@ nibiru-the only thing I could equate it too is sitting next to the wing during take off on a commercial jet. But the weird part was how it slowly moved over like searching or scanning for something. You go your whole life with nothing like this happening then BAM!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 16, 2008, 2:04am

Hey Verum:

Sounds to me like it could have been afterburners on a fighter jet. What you describe I've experienced many times on the Gulf Coast near Panama City where my in-laws have a house at the beach. They do F15 training out of Tyndall AFB, and that is the sound you get on the low passes and the touch-n-gos. Big loud roar, and then when they shut off the afterburners, it's gone.

We also had quite a bit of that over the DC area in the weeks after 9/11, but the fighters kept at pretty high altitudes so it wasn't so loud.

Even if it's just fighters, curious that they're paying so much attention to your backyard!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by endzone on Jan 16, 2008, 6:54am

Wow, now this is an interesting group of sightings and events. I can only imagine the buzz this creating around your town. Looks like we have a very interesting situation developing there. Keep that camera handy and you might just get some amazing pics if this keeps up.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by magooollo on Jan 16, 2008, 10:03am

we have another flap on our hands, watch the spin doctors go to work, now wheres the next drone sighting

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 16, 2008, 5:41pm

This morning on the today show...There is a short commercial prior to the discussion.

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=ms....de-2325cee51e2c

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 16, 2008, 7:03pm

"Allen said he has been speaking with a Hillsboro resident who wishes to remain anonymous but is offering a substantial reward for authentic local pictures or videos to assist with validation of the claim. Allen is the owner of L & S Enterprises and Texas Freight in Glen Rose and can be reached at 254-898-1117.

Hudgeons said he encourages anyone with photos or film footage to wait until he can view the material at the meeting before turning it over to anyone else.

“Even if someone says they are from MUFON, don’t turn it over,” Hudgeons said. “I feel that someone from a government entity will pose as MUFON and try to take them.”

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/13/news/news01.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 16, 2008, 8:27pm

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Hudgeons said he encourages anyone with photos or film footage to wait until he can view the material at the meeting before turning it over to anyone else.

“Even if someone says they are from MUFON, don’t turn it over,” Hudgeons said. “I feel that someone from a government entity will pose as MUFON and try to take them.”

Mufon again?

This Hudgeons seems to be on the ball though. I wonder if he'll have armed guards at the meeting? Will they be checking IDs?

Verum, maybe you should take some type of recording device with you to the meeting. How about a video and still camera and also a secret audio recorder?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm

...or maybe the anonymous Hillsboro resident is the government agent 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 16, 2008, 11:30pm

Whitley Strieber now has a blurb up on this latest "flap".

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6643

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 17, 2008, 1:04am

This phenomenon just gets even stranger. This was prophesied about in November by a Scottish Evangelist. There are many more of her prophesies in the link provided. Here is the one about this event:

Texas, USA--received on 11-11-07

I see Texas ablaze and a stunning star, like the star from the east rising over the land. I hear the Spirit of the Lord saying to: "Watch for cosmic signs and wonders in Texas." He said there will be a cosmological phenomenon that scientists cannot explain, and the media will carry as front-line news.

People will begin to ask about "the Light." They will remember the Child in the manger; the Lord is calling His Church to tell them about the Child in the manger and the Man of the Cross. For a period of four months--from Christmas to Easter--there will be a window of opportunity for salvations, signs, healings and wonders in Texas, and this season of extraordinary favor and grace will manifest and be confirmed in unusual cosmic occurrences.

http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5954

edit for grammar

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 1:10am

That is wild! Seeing how she wrote thaton 11-11-7 I could see that happening i.e. people flocking to TX etc. Good find!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Jan 17, 2008, 2:32am

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People will begin to ask about "the Light." They will remember the Child in the manger; the Lord is calling His Church to tell them about the Child in the manger and the Man of the Cross. For a period of four months--from Christmas to Easter--there will be a window of opportunity for salvations, signs, healings and wonders in Texas, and this season of extraordinary favor and grace will manifest and be confirmed in unusual cosmic occurrences.

http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5954

edit for grammar

Interesting. Love in Christ is the first step for all that read this.

Quote:

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)

Verum. You cool bro? Much seems to be happening for you now. A short time.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 17, 2008, 3:13am

I am cool. I don't think it is mere coincidence that I have had a spike in paranormal(psychic) activity around me coupled with the recent UFO activity. The Lord has led me here for a reason. I joined this site on Dec. 18 that is exactly two weeks before this UFO incident. I have an incredible feeling of anticipation. Like I am waiting for something big to happen. I am not worried b/c my trust lies in Jesus.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 17, 2008, 3:33am

"I have an incredible feeling of anticipation. Like I am waiting for something big to happen."

your not alone on that feeling man. not at all.
man, things are just crazy right now....

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 3:47am

This may be related, click on the link above the small video preview pic to the right of the article. The link says "What did a Webster parish..."

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7700063&nav=0RY5

This was seen on the same night as the Texas incident

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 3:52am

Yet another Texas sighting with a photo from Austin FOX news:

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/

This is getting a bit strange....

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 17, 2008, 4:00am

they say theres nothing for that last link bro???

and I agree

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 4:02am

Try it now, it should be on their homepage. We should all keep in mind that the news reports whats hot, and the whole UFO thing is hot especially in Texas right now.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 4:19am

All, according to Linda @ earthfiles.com, something may be up with whole ET signal topic. Check my post in that thread

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 17, 2008, 4:41am

I find it very strange how this time last year there was a buzz going around from the O'Hare sighting. And now this and the complex radio signal from space....any thoughts?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by magooollo on Jan 17, 2008, 7:33am

space radio signal has had a correction published saying it is probably natural, seems like another false flag, and some test runs of made in USA saucers

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by pam on Jan 17, 2008, 3:59pm

Hi, does anyone know of another link for the CNN Websites I-Reporter video of the UFO in Texas? For some reason I can't see any videos on that Website.

I tried finding it on Google Video and You Tube with no success.

Thanks!
Pam

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ra on Jan 17, 2008, 4:34pm

Try this link.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/01/16/cooper.shot.wed.cnn

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 17, 2008, 6:29pm

Quote:

This may be related, click on the link above the small video preview pic to the right of the article. The link says "What did a Webster parish..."

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7700063&nav=0RY5

This was seen on the same night as the Texas incident

I looked at the video. One thing bothered me about it. I could see a blinking red light. It blinked at about a one second interval. I am not an aviation expert but aircraft normally have a blink rate similar to this if not identical. I am not sure if the red lights are supposed to blink though. I know there would be a red light on the left or "port" side of the aircraft. I don't know if it is supposed to blink. There should also be a green light on the right or "starboard" side. There should be at least one white light on the rear.

It almost looks like there is a green light near the flashing red light but I can't be sure.

One thing we should be on guard for is mass hysteria where anything that flies by in Texas suddenly is labled as UFOs.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 17, 2008, 6:49pm

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One thing we should be on guard for is mass hysteria where anything that flies by in Texas suddenly is labled as UFOs.

I couldn't of said it better. I have a feeling we will be hearing and seeing many tales of unidentifieds in the days coming. Sorting them out, that's the task.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 17, 2008, 7:00pm

The worst possible thing someone could do has happened IMO. A local resident has offered a $5,000 reward for authentic video or pics of the 1-8-08 event. That will do nothing more than bring the con-artists and attention seekers out of the woodwork. I hope everyone has their pant legs tucked in because I am afraid we are going to have to wade through some crap to find any additional evidence after the initial report. Fortunately we have the original dozen or so witness' that are untainted by the publicity this event is receiving.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by blueyes on Jan 17, 2008, 7:08pm

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I wanted to add that I did take some pictures of two chinook helicopters following the same flight pattern as the UFO sighting the day after the event.
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Glade to see you got some photos of activity in the area! 8-)

There is a member at casebooks 'motorcyclerick' who was in the same area due to work and had witnessed military activity but was not able to take a photo. I'v passed the link here to motorcyclerick, I'm sure he would be interested in knowing someone got a snapshot.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 17, 2008, 7:17pm

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The worst possible thing someone could do has happened IMO. A local resident has offered a $5,000 reward for authentic video or pics of the 1-8-08 event. That will do nothing more than bring the con-artists and attention seekers out of the woodwork. I hope everyone has their pant legs tucked in because I am afraid we are going to have to wade through some crap to find any additional evidence after the initial report. Fortunately we have the original dozen or so witness' that are untainted by the publicity this event is receiving.

I hear there is now a run on Vue6 and Maya3D software in Texas. Just kidding

BTW. In case it has not been mentioned yet, Peter Davenport is covering this recent flap.
http://www.nuforc.org/index.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 17, 2008, 7:46pm

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I hear there is now a run on Vue6 and Maya3D software in Texas. Just kidding

BTW. In case it has not been mentioned yet, Peter Davenport is covering this recent flap.
http://www.nuforc.org/index.html

Nice find

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 17, 2008, 7:49pm

I looked at the video. One thing bothered me about it. I could see a blinking red light. It blinked at about a one second interval. I am not an aviation expert but aircraft normally have a blink rate similar to this if not identical. I am not sure if the red lights are supposed to blink though. I know there would be a red light on the left or "port" side of the aircraft. I don't know if it is supposed to blink. There should also be a green light on the right or "starboard" side. There should be at least one white light on the rear.

Numbers, some aircraft carry red lights on top of the fusalage.(small commercial or bus.) that blink red at an interval like that.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 17, 2008, 7:58pm

Good going on that prophecy Verum. Glad you are out there in the middle of it.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 17, 2008, 10:40pm

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razpad

Steve Allen described the flight path followed US Hwy 67 going from Glen Rose, TX towards Stephenville, TX.. then he said the craft came back going towards dallas just off of Hwy. 67. The secret installation is on the east side of Hwy 144 between Walnut Springs, TX and Meridian, TX. Find County Road (CR) 2546 look north for Private Road(PR) 2549 that is the main road in. If you use google sat images you can see a guard shack a few hundred yards up from the hwy. On a wider few you can also see a private air strip. You will also notice that part of the image seems to be grayed out with a gray tint on the east side of this complex. The whole complex is a little over 3,000 acres. The main buildings sit in a valley. The main road in looks very out place in this ranching land. It is an interstate quality concrete road heading into what looks like a big ranch. The perimeter fence you can see from the hwy looks like a high game fence further in there is another fence with razor wire and a guard shack on the main road in. The interior description of the complex was given to me second hand by a pilot friend of mine that was there one time for a govt. auction. The front gate by the hwy looks pretty normal, like an oil field entrance gate with trespassing warning signs and warning signs that the property has electronic survalence.

I am using google earth and I do not see anything out of the ordinary, I see homes, land, nothing unusual. Can you ive me a better idea of where it is? I see cr (google displays it as 'creek') 2549, it goes east a bit, maybe 1/2 a mile, then 'T's off.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 17, 2008, 10:45pm

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I saw tthe video also, and wonder why it took the contributor so long to come forward with it...I am very skeptical of this particular video.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 17, 2008, 10:46pm

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I also live near this area, verum, I am in Bowie.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 17, 2008, 10:56pm

It is harder to find on google earth. Just use regular google.com and click on maps. Zoom down to where you can see the east side of Hwy. 144 between Walnut Springs and Meridian. Find private road 2549 then click to satellite image(top right). The property and PR 2549 runs from 144 to Hwy. 927. There are two runways on the property, with one being 6000ft long. You can't miss it. There are also several other smaller buildings on the property. The creek you mentioned earlier is the southern border of this place. Once you find it and zoom in you can tell where the land has been cleared for the perimeter fence. The gates on each Hwy. are your standard green govt. gates with all kinds of warning signs on them.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 17, 2008, 10:58pm

motorcyclerick:

Welcome aboard!!

The west end of the long runway is at: 32° 1'10"N, 97°41'20"W

The roads on Google Maps seems to bear little relation to whats on the imagery. Yahoo Maps actually seems to be better at rendering the area.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 17, 2008, 11:02pm

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motorcyclerick:

Welcome aboard!!

The west end of the long runway is at: 32° 1'10"N, 97°41'20"W

The roads on Google Maps seems to bear little relation to whats on the imagery. Yahoo Maps actually seems to be better at rendering the area.

Ah, thank you, I was about a mile w-nw

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 17, 2008, 11:10pm

I will definitely take a ride down here to check it all out very soon.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 2:24am

Here is a photo of the airstrips near Morgan, Tx.
have a look and see what you all think about them

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/....thairstrips.jpg

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 18, 2008, 2:57am

rick, I don't think your links are working

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 18, 2008, 3:02am

Nope, I can't get them working either.

did the government shut them down, hehe, for all the conspiracy thinkers out there

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 3:02am

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rick, I don't think your links are working

I used my yahoo briefcase. hhmm

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 3:09am

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rick, I don't think your links are working

ok, i replaced the link with a new one, give it a try

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 3:12am

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Nope, I can't get them working either.

did the government shut them down, hehe, for all the conspiracy thinkers out there

well, i aint gonna answer my door if I hear a knock! lol

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by suspicioso on Jan 18, 2008, 2:05pm

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Local item of interest: Walnut Springs, Texas, Mystery "Airport"

December 31, 2008 notes:
A few miles south of Walnut Springs, behind significant hills on the west side of the site, and dense foliage on the east side, lies what appears to be an abandoned airport. Terrain and foliage, plus relative distance from highway TX-144 on the west side, and highway TX-927 on the east side, prevent unrestricted viewing of the location.
The facility is not marked as abandoned (magenta circle with an "x" centered on the circle) on any VFR sectional, or, any other aerial navigation map, unlike other abandoned or closed airports across the world, and by ICAO convention (International Civil Aviation Organization).
However, online photography does show both "runways" on site (there is a large, main runway of about 6,000 feet in length, and a smaller, slightly fan-shaped surface of about 1,500 feet in length), marked with what appears to be FAA-standard yellow "x" markings, indicating the surfaces are abandoned runways, but are unusable, unsafe, or both.
The physical location is inside a rough triangle that is composed of the cities of Walnut Springs, Morgan, and Meridian. The latitude and longitude is N 32.02536, W -97.67854, respectively.
The mystery airport is not the Diamond Seven Ranch private airstrip, located north-northwest of Morgan.
The site is easily found on all free mapping web sites. Microsoft TerraServer USA and Google Maps have the best photography of the location yet found.
All roads leading to the location are closed with green-painted US Government gates, and "No Trespassing" signs abound. The described signage is true for the entrance from TX-927, and TX-144.
January 1, 2008 Update:
Overnight research and correspondence has provided a potential explanation for this location's "mystery" airport.
Apparently, the site is a either a former, or still active, testing location for cross-section reflectivity of different types of ground- and aircraft-based radar. The relative proximity of the Ft. Worth, Texas, military/industrial manufacturing base may have a bearing on the facility. The facility is not a runway for aircraft, in the conventional sense.
Several similar locations can be found in California and Florida.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 6:30pm

Quote:

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Local item of interest: Walnut Springs, Texas, Mystery "Airport"

December 31, 2008 notes:
A few miles south of Walnut Springs, behind significant hills on the west side of the site, and dense foliage on the east side, lies what appears to be an abandoned airport. Terrain and foliage, plus relative distance from highway TX-144 on the west side, and highway TX-927 on the east side, prevent unrestricted viewing of the location.
The facility is not marked as abandoned (magenta circle with an "x" centered on the circle) on any VFR sectional, or, any other aerial navigation map, unlike other abandoned or closed airports across the world, and by ICAO convention (International Civil Aviation Organization).
However, online photography does show both "runways" on site (there is a large, main runway of about 6,000 feet in length, and a smaller, slightly fan-shaped surface of about 1,500 feet in length), marked with what appears to be FAA-standard yellow "x" markings, indicating the surfaces are abandoned runways, but are unusable, unsafe, or both.
The physical location is inside a rough triangle that is composed of the cities of Walnut Springs, Morgan, and Meridian. The latitude and longitude is N 32.02536, W -97.67854, respectively.
The mystery airport is not the Diamond Seven Ranch private airstrip, located north-northwest of Morgan.
The site is easily found on all free mapping web sites. Microsoft TerraServer USA and Google Maps have the best photography of the location yet found.
All roads leading to the location are closed with green-painted US Government gates, and "No Trespassing" signs abound. The described signage is true for the entrance from TX-927, and TX-144.
January 1, 2008 Update:
Overnight research and correspondence has provided a potential explanation for this location's "mystery" airport.
Apparently, the site is a either a former, or still active, testing location for cross-section reflectivity of different types of ground- and aircraft-based radar. The relative proximity of the Ft. Worth, Texas, military/industrial manufacturing base may have a bearing on the facility. The facility is not a runway for aircraft, in the conventional sense.
Several similar locations can be found in California and Florida.

Thanks, suspicioso, I also re posted this at www.ufocasebook.com, hope you dont mind. information should be shared with as many as possible in order to get to the truth of matters. Great researching.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Jan 18, 2008, 7:08pm

Larry King is having Stanton Friedman on tonight to talk about the Texas ufos.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

"Are UFOs descending on Texas? Locals say yes! Eyewitness accounts of what they saw and heard this week. We're there!"

Thanks J, if you're reading

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 18, 2008, 7:34pm

Another witness comes forward. Click the link to see the phone photo. Not a very good photo though.

Flash_home_08 Posted on Fri, Jan. 18, 2008reprint or license print email Digg it del.icio.us AIM

His UFO sighting is captured on cellphone
By MATT FRAZIERStar-Telegram Staff Writer

Photo Courtesy Sean Kiel
A cell phone photo shot Jan. 8 by trucker Sean Kiel of New Haven, Ky., shows what Kiel says is a curious object in the sky near Cisco.
Has North Texas become alien nation?
Is it a UFO?

Can't say for sure.

But truck driver Sean Kiel said he photographed an unidentified flying object with his cellphone as he drove along Interstate 20 near Cisco on Jan. 8. Cisco is about 45 miles northwest of Stephenville, where dozens of people have reported seeing UFOs.

"It looked like a meteor entering the atmosphere," said Kiel, who was driving from Louisville, Ky., to Brady. "It looked like a fireball. It had a long tail and it was extremely bright. And then the light seemed to dissipate and there was a dark object, right when the sun was going down.

"It was more like a big cigar with lights all over it that changed colors," he said. "It was at least 300 yards wide. It was being escorted by some type of slow-moving military craft, maybe helicopters."

Kiel said the object disappeared from his view, but reappeared as he turned south onto U.S. 183. It seemed to be rotating counterclockwise, he said, with the lights disappearing one by one on its left side while reappearing one by one on its right.

His story is similar to those told by several dozen people living in or near Stephenville, including a pilot, the Erath County constable and business owners. They insist that they have seen a large silent object with bright lights flying low and fast. Locals swear that it was larger, quieter, faster and lower than an airplane.

They also said that the object's lights changed configuration, unlike those of a plane. Some reported seeing it chased by fighter jets.

The reports captured the country's attention as newspapers, television newscasts and blogs repeated the claims from Florida to Canada and beyond. The media has invaded the town of 15,000 -- known mostly for high school football and dairy farms -- about 70 miles southwest of Fort Worth.

Kiel, of New Haven, Ky., contacted Sherry Webb of the Texas Dairy Review in Stephenville. She put him in touch with the Star-Telegram.

"I thought the photos looked interesting," Webb said.

The Mutual UFO Network plans to interview witnesses starting at 1 p.m. Saturday in Dublin, a few miles southwest of Stephenville.

Kiel said he didn't know if he would be able to attend, so he told his story to the Star-Telegram.

"It turned in an L shape. It didn't curve into the turn like an airplane would," he said. "And then it took off. I could see for a long ways, but in less than 20 seconds it was out of my sight."

REPORT A UFO

The Texas chapter of the Mutual UFO Network plans to begin interviewing witnesses at 1 p.m. Saturday in a meeting room in downtown Dublin near the Dr Pepper plant. To report a sighting, call MUFON state director Kenneth Cherry at 817-379-0773 or fill out a report at www.mufon.com.

MATT FRAZIER, 817-390-7957
mfrazier@star-telegram.com
http://www.star-telegram.com/743/story/418344.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 8:04pm

Good work, verum. I reposted this in ufocasebook.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by astrodicted on Jan 18, 2008, 8:53pm

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgFrKzhMs8

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 18, 2008, 11:12pm

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/01/16/cooper.shot.wed.cnn

Anderson Cooper on CNN: Witness captures cell phone video of Texas UFO

Has anyone else noticed that this news topic is not being covered nationally or locally where I live. By that, go to CNN.com or Foxnews.com and it's not making headlines. On the other hand, it's all over the affiliates and on CNN's shows like Larry David and Anderson Cooper 360. Anyone care to hypothesize as to why this is. Is this a bigger deal than we think? Why would CNN be covering this at all if they wanted to keep it on the down low? I can see how Texas news affiliates really have no choice. If it comes down to the media and govt don't know or have an explanation so they're keeping their mouths closed, than are some TV personalities simply bringing this forward for their own personal and the publics' interests?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 18, 2008, 11:27pm

Quote:

has anyone else noticed that this news topic is not being covered nationally. By that, go to CNN.com or Foxnews.com and it's not making headlines. On the other hand, it's all over the affiliates and on CNN's shows like Larry David and Anderson Cooper 360. Anyone care to hypothesize as to why this is. Is this a bigger deal than we think?

As is usually the case with such controversial issues as UFOs, I believe that the other news media sources are waiting to see what (if anything) comes from it all, as there really is nothing to report at this time, other than the fact that the event has gotten a great deal of attention for there being only a minimal amount of physical evidence, and no hard evidence at all.

But, I also believe that there is a majority (approx. 66%) of the public in general that do believe that there is something to the UFO phenom, and think the government knows more than they are admitting.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 18, 2008, 11:37pm

good point rick,

here are some interviews with witnesses. Good read about detailed descriptions of what the craft allegedly look like (one witness saw it during daylight)

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1377&category=Environment

Here's my take on why govt or media have not come up with some kind of excuse on what this is....like they did regarding the Phoenix Lights:

A) No one will buy it
B) They're not sure what it is and not sure what's going to happen next i.e. daytime sighting by thousands of people
C) It's the military and they are testing the publics' reactions

Any other thoughts, I'm quite shocked they haven't pulled a Phoenix Lights

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 19, 2008, 12:08am

Manteca,
Am I taking a big leap here when I assume that you think that these 'crafts' are not only known to the military, but also completely under their control?
I think it is possible, but then how would you explain the other sightings around the world? You know, military secrets are the most fleeting. By that I mean that no matter how hard a country tries to keep some military operation or project secret, it seems to find a way to get out anyway, eventually.
What about the Brazil events of 1977? or the Aurora Texas event of 1897? Yes, 1897, not a misprint

No, I think there may be knowledge, and a withholding of information by the military, but I dont believe they are behind all of the events.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 444 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:11am

I meant that it may be the military. Honestly, I don't think the media, govt, or military know what's up in Texas. Therefore they are keeping the lid on it.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 19, 2008, 12:18am

I saw a video on the Brazil events of 1977 today, and one reporter concluded that he thought these were aliens taking blood and tissue samples from people in an attempt to develop vaccines to bacteria that may be harmful to them in this environment. I dont know, but I will say this - whoever/whatever is responsible for this technology could easily have taken over this planet along with ALL it's inhabitants a very long time ago if it were their intention, so, we must wait, and hope, and keep looking to the skies, and down to the ground also, and maybe someday, we will know the truth.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:24am

Quote:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/01/16/cooper.shot.wed.cnn

Anderson Cooper on CNN: Witness captures cell phone video of Texas UFO

Has anyone else noticed that this news topic is not being covered nationally or locally where I live. By that, go to CNN.com or Foxnews.com and it's not making headlines. On the other hand, it's all over the affiliates and on CNN's shows like Larry David and Anderson Cooper 360. Anyone care to hypothesize as to why this is. Is this a bigger deal than we think? Why would CNN be covering this at all if they wanted to keep it on the down low? I can see how Texas news affiliates really have no choice. If it comes down to the media and govt don't know or have an explanation so they're keeping their mouths closed, than are some TV personalities simply bringing this forward for their own personal and the publics' interests?

I must admit I do not watch any flavor of TV news. But this UFO flap was used as the intro to ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" on Wednesday! So the media may not be going deep on this, but they are going wide! It's getting attention despite the conventional media's lack of coverage.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 19, 2008, 12:44am

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Maybe that is part of the plan to turn this whole thing into a joke?
If the military does have knowledge of this thing, a very effective way to combat the wide coverage is to make it all seem like a bunch of 'weirdos seeing little green men', dont you agree? Let's all hope that does not happen this time.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:51am

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I don't think that path requires a conspiracy. It's easy fodder for any current event comedy, like anything else prominent in the news. Be glad it happened while the writer's union is still on strike!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 19, 2008, 1:05am

Quote:

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lmao

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 19, 2008, 6:06pm

Well I am about to leave to go to the big investigation by mufon. Maybe something new will turnup and if I find out anything I will post it here.

God Bless

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 19, 2008, 6:58pm

good stuff man.
Thanks again bro, n good luck..
Im sure you will walk away with a bit more than youve got now..
hopefully.
Blessings

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by coldheart on Jan 19, 2008, 8:40pm

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/18/589552.aspx

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 19, 2008, 8:54pm

http://www.star-telegram.com/743/story/418344.html
so this guy got a pic... but doesnt show anyone eh?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 20, 2008, 1:45am

Well I went to the mufon meeting today. The only new info I found out were some statistics. I was talking with a mufon rep and asked him how witness' have come forward as to date on the 1-8-08 sighting and he said close to 100. There were 30+ witness' at todays meeting. There were about 8 different news cameras there, I counted 4 different radio stations, and 6 newspaper outlets. It was kind of a circus. Mufon said their report should be completed in 30 to 60 days. I asked the mufon rep where he would rate this sighting with other mass sightings and he equated it to the Pheonix lights incident. There wasn't any good picture or video evidence presented. I took some pics of the meeting. I will post them if requested but they are the same things you can see on any newscast of this meeting.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 20, 2008, 2:00am

Thanks for the report, Verum! Seems like it may have been anticlimactic, is that right?

Well, if there are no new sightings or information, this story will probably fade away (from the public's perception, anyhow). But if it's just the opening act of further increasing sightings this year, you will genuinely have been at the right place at the right time! Either way, many thanks for your reporting, and for sharing your front-row seat with us all!

I think if it was US military, then it was a big "oops" on their part and they will really clamp down tight and make sure nothing leaks out or happens like this again. But if it wasn't............!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 20, 2008, 2:46am

I don't want to go out on a limb, but I'd say it will fade away. It's the pattern. Why, I haven't a clue, but it's been a consistant pattern.
Phoenix, Belgium, Rendlesham, Biloxi, Hudson Valley, Exeter, on and on..... a mass sighting or two and then nada ,zip until it shows up some other time, some other place. Same way with the cattle mutes.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by razpad43 on Jan 20, 2008, 3:18am

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I don't want to go out on a limb, but I'd say it will fade away. It's the pattern. Why, I haven't a clue, but it's been a consistant pattern.
Phoenix, Belgium, Rendlesham, Biloxi, Hudson Valley, Exeter, on and on..... a mass sighting or two and then nada ,zip until it shows up some other time, some other place. Same way with the cattle mutes.

I agree, etherian, that is the pattern. At this time I see only one possible alternative - if these sighting events start getting a lot more frequent. Then it becomes unignorable.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 20, 2008, 4:01am

Yes raz it was anti-climatic. Mufon took the witness' into a separate room. When they were done it was like a feeding frenzy with the media surrounding each one.

I am sure someone else has already come to this conclusion, but if these sightings are alien in nature. Then I think there is a reason that they are happening over populated areas. The govts are hell bound on keeping the lid on the alien presence. ET knows this and they also know that the military will not engage them over a populated area because if they shot one down then disclosure would be unavoidable. That is why I doubt any of this is military related. If they had an accident in a populated area then their secret aircraft would not be so secret anymore.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by magooollo on Jan 20, 2008, 8:21am

so perhaps some of the et's are playing a galatic game of chicken with our military authorities, the plot starts to thicken. Yet the et dont land and engage the worlds media, so they want to be seen but not seen to much, the government want just enough reporting to make it go away but not force disclosure, its a darn game of secret spy.

Still i doubt there will be any more sightings just yet. Perhaps somewhere else in america ( dont forget the UK is having a flap at the moment as well) so maybe some where else globally ( actually sth america is having a lot of sightings as well)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 10:05am

UFO Buffs: Something 'Definitely' Happening In Stephenville

LINK

DUBLIN, Texas - North Texans shared their stories of supposed UFO sightings at a meeting called by UFO investigators in Dublin. Dozens of people crowded into Dublin's Rotary Club to talk with the Mutual UFO Network, a group of UFO buffs.

Texas MUFON director Ken Cherry said the group "definitely" knows something is going on in Stephenville.

"In an extremely small number of cases will we get a mass sighting like this," he said.
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A woman from Brownwood brought a video of bouncing lights that she shot on Jan. 4.

"You can't see through it," Margie Galvez said. "You can't see in it. It just bounces."

She said she shot the video with an infrared surveillance camera at her farm.

"You can't explain it," she said. "I don't know what it is."

A Dublin man showed video of a strange object in the sky that he shot last summer in Stephenville.

"That's why I'm here," he said. "I want someone to tell me what it is."

Most people didn't have any pictures.

"What I saw was a very large blue light," Cleburne resident Jason Greywolf Leigh said.

Stephenville resident James Huse said he saw big, round objects in the sky.

"I would estimate they were the size of an aircraft," he said.

Glenda Jackson, another Stephenville resident, said she also saw something strange in the sky.

"It looked like two plates upside down, like a saucer," she said. "It was at least as wide as a football field."

The meeting also drew people who just wanted to see what the hoopla was all about.

MUFON members said their work could take a year. Even then, there may be no explanation for the phenomenon, they said.

The investigators said it was way too early to rule anything in or out. But with so many people coming forward, the group said it is convinced people saw something.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 10:08am

Verum - Kudos to you for going the extra mile for your fellow OMFers!

Much appreciated!

Keep that camera handy - if anyone deserve to be a witness, it's YOU!

Hey, and please DO post up those pics of the 'circus' - it's all reportage, and All Good!

Cheers,

Bren.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 10:09am

MC Rick - and you keep that engine ticking over too!

(BTW, what do ya ride?

)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 10:38am

BTW - here's my opinion, FWIW!

Remember just about a year ago, in the UK here we had an amazing report (by our own member!! 8-)

) Capt. Ray Bowyer, Pilot - regarding another 'Mile-wide' UFO - which was also confirmed on Radar.

And the 'frequency' of reports, world-wide, is at an all time high - nearly going through the roof. 8-)

I think Linda Moulton Howe was right when she suggested all these things are a 'Show'. In fact, if (ANY) intelligent 'project' were wanting to 'assimilate' without scaring the ~~shi...~~ poop out of the 'man and women on the streets ( and woods and air!) - then such a 'Show and Tell' would be the way to go. Gets the 'issue' (if slowly = Good) into the mainstream, but with enough 'evidence' to push past the 'ET phone-home' gags that the hacks like to write. But not too much to blow any gaskets.

Kind of like our own OMF philosophy about 'enabling' disclosure with witnesses and sources = "softlee, softlee.... catchee monkey." 8-)

But who is behind the (hypothesised) 'Projects' is another matter - If it is non-terrestrial, then perhaps they have just got fed up with the supposed 'agreements' presumably in place with terrestrial Govt's and are now going to do things (Disclosure) their way.

....or, not!

Anyway, just my Sunday morning ramble to add to the mix!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 2:04pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2mzUhmSYdQ

Woman tapes hovering ufo in Louisiana-Arkansas(Tuesday night Jan 15 2008) about the same time as those sightings in Stevensville, TX.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 20, 2008, 4:50pm

Magooollo and Admin, I have been thinking about this case and I agree that there looks to be a plan in place of slow acclimation. Forget about landings on the Whitehouse lawn. That would be too abrupt for the people to handle. So instead they slowly increase their presence like the proverbial frog in the boiling pot. After a very slow and incremental process the reality is benignly accepted. I think this shows an obvious attempt by some ETs to make contact.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sombra on Jan 20, 2008, 5:18pm

Did anyone report seeing this east of Stephenville? I heard people in Weatherford reported seeing it but not further east. My co-worker in Kaufman said she saw something on Jan1st about 8:00pm. It was a bright light that lit up her property for a moment then streaked off. Forgot to ask her which direction it went.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 6:34pm

Sombra, maybe you could 'pump' you pal for more details - even better, get her to come here and write up her witnesss statement. 8-)

Numbers, wearing my 'hypothetical hat'

- i tend to agree with you - and happen to think this 'program' began late 2005, and we are seeing a 'snowballing' of sightings / witnesses as time goes by. In my earlier American Chronicle articles, I speculate that the hypothesis predicts an increase in these 'events' - and this is most certainly happenning... one way or the other.

Even 'Serpo', the 'Drones' ... etc., have increased the public debate and drawn more people into thinking the 'what ifs' - all, IMO crucial to form the bedrock of a wider public assimilation.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Jan 20, 2008, 7:55pm

Anyone think that all the recent media coverage sets up the false flag scenario more effectively?

I don't know but the thought had crossed my mind.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 20, 2008, 8:41pm

Nope - more like a 'Green flag' 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 20, 2008, 9:03pm

Quote:

Magooollo and Admin, I have been thinking about this case and I agree that there looks to be a plan in place of slow acclimation. Forget about landings on the Whitehouse lawn. That would be too abrupt for the people to handle. So instead they slowly increase their presence like the proverbial frog in the boiling pot. After a very slow and incremental process the reality is benignly accepted. I think this shows an obvious attempt by some ETs to make contact.

Numbers, you may be close. Another thought is, maybe they are going through the process of finding out just "what" the military will do about them. They may not be hostile, but the militaries just might be.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by blueyes on Jan 21, 2008, 1:45am

Or could they possibly be ours? :-/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by tychoma on Jan 21, 2008, 2:32am

That Lousianna footage looks like it would clean up quite nicely (in my non-technical opinion), is there any word on a higher res file yet?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 21, 2008, 3:35am

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MC Rick - and you keep that engine ticking over too!

(BTW, what do ya ride?

)

'92 custom sportster 1200

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 45letters on Jan 21, 2008, 9:09am

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I looked at the video. One thing bothered me about it. I could see a blinking red light. It blinked at about a one second interval. I am not an aviation expert but aircraft normally have a blink rate similar to this if not identical. I am not sure if the red lights are supposed to blink though. I know there would be a red light on the left or "port" side of the aircraft. I don't know if it is supposed to blink. There should also be a green light on the right or "starboard" side. There should be at least one white light on the rear.

Numbers, some aircraft carry red lights on top of the fusalage.(small commercial or bus.) that blink red at an interval like that.

actually i did some research into planes and FAA blinking patterns... and what i found is that there are mainly a set of loose rules...

lights on plane must blink between 30 and 180 times per minute.
they may be white or aircraft red. (green is optional and not required but customary for port side)
they must cover an area of field of vision from a variety of angles with a minimum lumen.
there are hundreds of manufacturers so no blinking "pattern" is either consistent from plane to plane or type of plane, as the owner of the plane can choose from a variety of products and strobe types. (these go back decades and are still in use.)

so in most cases white or red lights indicate aircraft. absence of this indicates something else, or an aircraft not to FAA code.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 21, 2008, 9:50am

Quote:

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MC Rick - and you keep that engine ticking over too!

(BTW, what do ya ride?

)

'92 custom sportster 1200

Cool!

Me, '00 Triumph Daytona 955.

Ooops, the Admin is off topic *slap* - we better do bike stuff off these threads!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by plop on Jan 21, 2008, 2:28pm

Hello all, My first post. I found forum by doing a search on this topic. After I reading verums post I wanted to join. For this is my home county. While I didnt see any UFO's I want to say. I did see and hear the military traffic that was described by verum. I have no doubt of the witnesses accounts of what happened.
Something is going on. Something is being covered up. I want to know the 4 W' Who, What, Where, Why.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 21, 2008, 3:40pm

Welcome to OM plop,

Hopefully we will all learn the 4 w's.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 21, 2008, 4:27pm

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_light

Minor correction: the green is on the starboard or right side.

The strobe lights work from an RC time constant which makes them blink at a set rate (like a car's turn signal). They each usually have their own timing so it is very common for an aircraft to have multiple strobes, each blinking at a different rate.

One of the things I noticed about the Dianna Triangle was the strobes did not seem to follow this trend (someone correct me if I'm wrong). In other words, each light did not seem to blink at a set rate. So this could be a way to tell terrestrial for non-terrestrial.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 21, 2008, 4:34pm

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_light

One of the things I noticed about the Dianna Triangle was the strobes did not seem to follow this trend (someone correct me if I'm wrong). In other words, each light did not seem to blink at a set rate. So this could be a way to tell terrestrial for non-terrestrial.

Or at least conventional with un-conventional

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 21, 2008, 4:58pm

There is a very interesting thread on ATS right now.

Texas UFO seen by second officer of major airline

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328091/pg1

I am banned so I can't post there but somebody tell plumranch to have his pilot friend contact LMH.

Of course this thread has it's resident debunker Omicron saying "Hoax, names or it didn't happen".

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 22, 2008, 4:19am

It might be a black craft. The lights pattern is reminescent to one seen being escorted by transports about 17 years ago. Of course, it would depend on the size, but that's pretty much impossible at night to estimate.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 22, 2008, 8:21pm

Mufon investigator's report from Stephenville meeting. No tin foil hats allowed.

http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01/stephenville-investigators-report.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 23, 2008, 2:14am

Quote:

Of course this thread (at ATS0 has it's resident debunker Omicron saying "Hoax, names or it didn't happen".

Sounds like MUFON, anonymous = didn't happen ::)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by plop on Jan 23, 2008, 7:09pm

Not sure if I needed to start another thread on this or not please move if need to. Breaking news in my email box from NBC5I.com. I found this interesting why didnt they say so to start with.
BREAKING NEWS: Military Offers Explanation For Stephenville UFO Reports
FORT WORTH, Texas -- Nearly two weeks after UFOs were reported over Stephenville, the U.S. military has offered an explanation as to the source of the mysterious lights.

Maj. Karl Lewis, a spokesman for the 301st Fighter Wing at the Naval Air Station Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base, said in a news release that an "error was made regarding the reported training activity of military aircraft" and that "10 F-16s from the 457th Fighter Squadron were performing training operations in the Brownwood Military Operating Area."

Lewis had previously said there were no F-16s or other aircraft from the base in the area the night many of the sightings were reported.

Officials now report the aircraft were airborne from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. January 8 in the MOA, which is an area designated for military training, and in this case includes airspace above Erath County.

On Saturday, interviewers with the Mutual UFO Network met with about 200 people who said they saw something mysterious in the night skies over Stephenville in late December and early January. Witnesses have described the object as silent, large and with bright lights flying low and fast.

Several witnesses also reported seeing fighter jets chasing the object.

James Huse, a retired electronics technician, said what he saw on Jan. 8 was neither a helicopter nor a plane while pilot Steve Allen, of Glen Rose, said the lights he saw while sitting around a campfire were brighter than the glare from welding.

"The first time we saw it, the duration was three minutes; then it started slowing down and passed us, and the lights in the back reformed into an arc shape, and they would flash on and off with no particular pattern," he said. "Then those changed into two vertical lines. It was totally silent."
Link http://www.nbc5i.com/index.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 23, 2008, 7:14pm

Good find plop. Thanks for adding another piece of the puzzle

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Jan 23, 2008, 8:10pm

What a shock

...the military now says it was flying jets and that they have been mistaken as the ufo. ::)

Is that the best they can come up with?

Do they really expect anyone to buy that?

Are they winking at us?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by cb3tech on Jan 23, 2008, 8:32pm

Mur, I was seriously considering posting the same thing.

It is amazing that people will actually take this medicine.

One of these days they are going to make a BIG goof and be forced into admitting something.

"Nothing to see here, just military tests that we originally denied because we didn't anticipate this much exposure, oops!"

Its like the weather balloon excuse only this one is fallowed up with a smack in the face and a poke in the eye.

Get it? Three Stooges?

lol

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by greatwaller on Jan 23, 2008, 8:38pm

Hi Mur,

Some admissions by the U.S. Air Force now are better than none at all..

Perhaps the UFO flap has risen to such a condition that the power that be's denial would be futile and unacceptable...not to say intolerable!

GW

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 23, 2008, 8:48pm

It makes sense. The military first says they didn't have any aircraft in the area. Wait two weeks and see if any credible visual evidence comes forward. There was no hard evidence to make them look like jackass', so they come back and say, "yeah we had jets in Stephenville area.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 23, 2008, 8:51pm

yeah, thats messed. and oh sooo suprising!!!

pfftt...next lie please... lol
Nice job mate!!
Thanks!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Jan 23, 2008, 9:04pm

Wait....few more days, they will say it was the new Stealth Blimp

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by gantech on Jan 23, 2008, 9:34pm

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I doubt it. But any guess would be pure specualtion on my part. Why were the F-16s chasing the UFO?

This is the part that makes it all so credible. Numerous witnesses saw fighters in the air in pursuit, yet all surrounding military bases deny scrambling jets. Why oh why are we living in this supposed "free democracy" yet constantly lied to by TPTB. Everyone involved here saw jets scrambled and helicopters. Wouldn't it be easier for ONCE to just ADMIT "Yeah, we scrambled some jets to investigate" And that air force nimrod who said "90%n it was converging airliners" he must think we're really stupid.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 24, 2008, 12:59am

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It makes sense. The military first says they didn't have any aircraft in the area. Wait two weeks and see if any credible visual evidence comes forward. There was no hard evidence to make them look like jackass', so they come back and say, "yeah we had jets in Stephenville area.

It's been done before. Remember the Arizona lights? The military gets wind of a major ufo incident and immediately sends in the jets. But they're not for defense, they are there only to provide a disinfo story. "What UFOs? You only saw A-10s dropping flares".

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 24, 2008, 3:14pm

Ha ha! What did I tell you? Here it is. ::)

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/15120390/detail.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 24, 2008, 3:50pm

Think about this.... what do you hear and see on media and the internet right now? The little Mars figure on the rock!!!

this humanoid figure could have been timely broadcast by NASA with the intent on starting internet and media buzz to take away from the obvious... the Stephenville and Texas sightings, that have multiple witnesses and videos.

Think about it..... this martian figure (FROM a 2004 image that was JUST NOW posted to the web in January from NASA -- WHY??) and all of the attention on it JUST NOW when there is credible eye-witness and video evidence of the UFO's over Texas, with the hinting of military involvement... and BadaBing BadaBoom....

now everyone is caught in the pety arguments all over the internet of whether or not the little figure is a rock, bigfoot, or humanoid lol A story that is much more "kooky" and easily arguable -- can anyone say DISINFO?

So.... our attentions should focus on what is the REAL source of NASA's worry.... the Texas sightings.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 24, 2008, 3:55pm

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Ha ha! What did I tell you? Here it is. ::)

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/15120390/detail.html

Hmm Numbers.... the object in this video you posted on the other thread sure doesn't look like F-16 fighters to me

lol perty darn slow fighters lmao

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Here's a decent video of a Texas UFO.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/stephenvillerealfootage.html

I really would like to see some of you pro's analyze this video and get a clear image of this.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Jan 24, 2008, 4:04pm

I find it odd that the Air Force stopped investigating UFOs in 1969 with the closing of Project Bluebook. I find it odd for a couple of different reasons that I never actually thought of before.

By no longer investigating UFOs, they are in essence saying to the public that the UFO enigma is not worth investigating, ie: UFOs have common worldly explanations such as misidentification, swamp gas, ball lightning, etc...In other words, there are no UFOs, therefore nothing to investigate. This is a conclusion reached in 1969. Almost 40 years ago!!!

To give the Air Force the benefit of the doubt, lets say they were correct based on their original investigation. But what about the past 38 years. What if UFOs (controlled by intelligent extraterrestrials) started visiting Earth since that assessment from 1969? The likelihood of intelligent Alien life is much greater these days. Our understanding of the Universe is much greater today than it was back then. Extra-solar planets have been discovered since the Air Force's 1969 decision to end UFO investigations.

Since 1969, cameras have improved. Camcorders are now common among the population. Digital technology allows a better analysis of captured footage.

The continued denial by the US government and the Air Force of the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation based on data that is almost 40 years old is a blatant refusal to acknowledge more recent and technologically better evidence.

This in itself speaks volumes. Ignoring something will not make it go away, but does have an effect on the validity of the subject. And making the subject invalid seems to be their goal.

The public should demand that UFO investigations begin again. I say re-open Project Bluebook. Give a new generation with a fresh outlook a chance to investigate.

Of course that will not happen. Closing Bluebook in 1969 was the start of the suppression of information that we still witness and endure to this day.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 24, 2008, 4:24pm

Nothing will happen. Only if there are a bunch of live witnesses with cell phone cameras getting a visual and pics, movies, etc. of something like what passed over the guy in the trees in the daylight.
Even then, they will think of something to dispell it.
The why is the real issue....

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by cb3tech on Jan 24, 2008, 5:25pm

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I find it odd that the Air Force stopped investigating UFOs in 1969 with the closing of Project Bluebook. I find it odd for a couple of different reasons that I never actually thought of before.

By no longer investigating UFOs, they are in essence saying to the public that the UFO enigma is not worth investigating, ie: UFOs have common worldly explanations such as misidentification, swamp gas, ball lightning, etc...In other words, there are no UFOs, therefore nothing to investigate. This is a conclusion reached in 1969. Almost 40 years ago!!!

To give the Air Force the benefit of the doubt, lets say they were correct based on their original investigation. But what about the past 38 years. What if UFOs (controlled by intelligent extraterrestrials) started visiting Earth since that assessment from 1969? The likelihood of intelligent Alien life is much greater these days. Our understanding of the Universe is much greater today than it was back then. Extra-solar planets have been discovered since the Air Force's 1969 decision to end UFO investigations.

Since 1969, cameras have improved. Camcorders are now common among the population. Digital technology allows a better analysis of captured footage.

The continued denial by the US government and the Air Force of the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation based on data that is almost 40 years old is a blatant refusal to acknowledge more recent and technologically better evidence.

This in itself speaks volumes. Ignoring something will not make it go away, but does have an effect on the validity of the subject. And making the subject invalid seems to be their goal.

The public should demand that UFO investigations begin again. I say re-open Project Bluebook. Give a new generation with a fresh outlook a chance to investigate.

Of course that will not happen. Closing Bluebook in 1969 was the start of the suppression of information that we still witness and endure to this day.

Talk about a moment of clarity.

How does that saying go? Actions speak louder than words?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 24, 2008, 5:30pm

BJ Booth has summed up the situation nicely. This method of cover up is getting old and quite obvious.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/nomysterysolved.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Jan 24, 2008, 5:51pm

Regardless of your beliefs in this sighting or UFOs in general, we strongly suggest you read this post from "Earthfiles":

Date: January 19, 2008
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com

Thanks for the report on the sighting in Texas by Mr. Sorrells. Truly amazing. It seems to me from his description, that he is detailing an image of a giant “flat screen” display or a projection device. I would equate the circle in a circle (reminiscent of Ezekiel), with a conical lens residing in the larger depression becoming something akin to a pixel. With the “pixels” being distributed equally over the flat surface to form a viewing or projection surface. Of course, the neutral flat gray of the ship would provide the perfect background color, similar to an aluminum gray projection screen. And judging from the estimated size of the craft - “three football fields” estimated by Ricky Sorrells - or a mile by a half a mile estimated by the pilot's sighting (close to our present day 16:9 display format), and the distance of 40 feet between the circles on the grid, the intended view would be from thousands of feet.

The lights described in the night sightings and the basic geometric figures being shown would seem to indicate someone looking for ground reports on their light “convergence” test. Similar to adjusting your TV and asking someone across the room, “How is it now?”

If terrestrial, I would believe our government would never risk exposure of such a technology unless it was about to be used. What would be its use? I would guess for communications with a populous “off the grid” from some catastrophic event, which negated conventional communications.

If extraterrestrial, I would think the sighting could be used for attuning the population to some soon-to-occur event, such as a first contact.

It would make sense that a first contact would be by a visual display that could not be government-controlled or censored. This could give us physical characteristics of the species, views of a home planet, a history, and of course, INTENTIONS. All this acclimation, without actual physical interaction, and the possibility of a negative response from the militaries of the world. Of course, the other side of the equation, a device so large it could display an illusion event over an entire city.

Frankly, I have no idea and am just responding with my personal interpretations. However, I would say this, if these sightings are true and correct, whatever the purpose of this machine, whether for help or hurt, things don't appear to bode well for our immediate future.

What is being prepared for this Earth is far beyond the belief system of the average Human.
IC

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by cb3tech on Jan 24, 2008, 6:12pm

So wait, your saying that the Texas flap could be from tests being conducted by our military for a mass communication device? In case of a catastrophic event?

Am I missing something?

Couldn't our government or the aliens just use the telecommunications satellites and beam a broadcast through out the world with their message?

I must be way off here.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 24, 2008, 6:19pm

HEY GUYS!!! lol, sorry for yelling.. But I am excited...
good news... I suppose.. well, yeah, it IS good news... lol..

But where I am, here in NY, at about 5 oclock this morning.... on the CBS news....

I was listening to them talk about the normal meaningless schmeckle, and thinking.. why dont they ever tell us real news... right after that....
the news anchor woman starts saying...
Many credible witnesses sighted a UFO over texas last week (or whenever it was), and she went on to say....
When it was first reported, the military stated that they had no aircraft in the area..
Now they are coming out and reporting that they did have 10 jets in the sky that day.
She basically made it look like the military was FULL of it!! and then the subject eneded there.. but they showed a satelite view of where it was seen ....
but I just found it exciting because we NEVER hear about any sightings anywhere here...
and then the woman even goes as far as telling us the military is full of crap.
Very Niice!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 24, 2008, 6:28pm

Next, we'll be told it was a millitary weather balloon - then we'll hear it was really swamp gas, ~~then a sun-dog,~~ oh - we've had that one already(!), then a big military kite.... you know how it goes by now

The military call the UFO enquirers - 'mushrooms' - they keep them in the dark, and feed them on bullsh1t.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Jan 24, 2008, 6:30pm

Verum has noted that Robert Hastings is coming down to Stephenville University, Thursday - to do a presentation. check out the thread - and if you can get along DO SO!! 8-)

Robert Hastings will give a presentation at 7:30 p.m. Thursday in the Thompson Student Center ballroom at Tarleton State University. Admission is free.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 24, 2008, 6:32pm

also... I just spoke to some other family members in some other arees scattered around NY, and PA....
And they just told me they saw the same thing on the news this morning... basically discrediting the military.

its all over the place, mates!!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 24, 2008, 8:05pm

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also... I just spoke to some other family members in some other arees scattered around NY, and PA....
And they just told me they saw the same thing on the news this morning... basically discrediting the military.

its all over the place, mates!!!

Do you have a link to a news clip where a MSM talking head is not believing the air force story? I have not seen anything like this. It looks to me that the MSM is basically toeing the party line.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Jan 24, 2008, 8:16pm

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Talk about a moment of clarity.

How does that saying go? Actions speak louder than words?

Ahhh yes! The moment of clarity! The action of closing Bluebook means one of two things.

1) The Air Force believes that Extra-terrestrial (and Extra-dimensional) life has not and never will visit this planet.

2) Or they are fully aware of the situation of off planet cultures but suppress the knowledge for whatever number of reasons.

I go with option 2. To close an investigation into an ongoing phenomenon is ludicrous. Actions do speak louder than words if the action is noticed for what it really is!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 24, 2008, 8:39pm

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Do you have a link to a news clip where a MSM talking head is not believing the air force story? I have not seen anything like this. It looks to me that the MSM is basically toeing the party line.

Hiyah Numbers..
No mate, Im sorry I dont have a clip... It was on CBS news "up to the minute" this morning at around 4 when I saw it, and then some relatives, who are not even into this stuff.. told me thye saw the same thing at 6 and 7 this morning as well.
I cant watch many vids on my comp due to dial up, or id try to find one for you,
But.... I will keep my camcorder handy for when it comes on again and just record it that way myself if I see it again.. Im sure itll be on again.. I hope so....
But yeah.. I was amazed.. the whole topic only lasted less than a minute, but she definitely made it sound like she herself wasnt buying the militaries story.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Jan 24, 2008, 10:11pm

We still suggest you look at the letter we posted from "Earthfiles". It does not have to be Earth Technology. Our main suggestion is to think outside the BOX on what you read or even see. We think the thoughts in this letter are interesting. We also suggest that just maybe major, in size, components of something that is to be stationed here permanently are being put in place.
We will see in time
ICC

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Jan 24, 2008, 10:19pm

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/military-bl....S00010000000001

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 25, 2008, 4:13am

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BJ Booth has summed up the situation nicely. This method of cover up is getting old and quite obvious.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/nomysterysolved.html

Yeah, the military is full of doggy turds. First they deny any jets were in the area when the witnesses said they saw the jets after the UFO. Now they are blaming it all on the jets. Well.... were those jets in Louisiana that same night when that lady got the video on the other post? She said it had "Knight Rider -- KIT" lights on the bottom.

And, you know, my previous post about the whole -- "let's give them something else more "kooky" to talk about and divert them (bait and switch) to something else.... ooooh looky, there's an alien sitting on a rock on Mars!"

Well, do you know what happened the last time a mile long UFO was spotted by credible witnesses?? Remember in UK Last year, the credible pilot who saw the UFO? Right after that was the drone flap, because I was looking up info on the mile long UFO when I saw the reports about the drones.

Now, I am still a keen believer in the drones, but always had it in my mind that it was very interesting that there was the mile long UFO sighting, and then voila.... interest was diverted to the drones, an unending and unprovable argument.

Yes, their tactics and their parlor tricks of basically -- illusions by MISDIRECTION -- are growing wearisome. They keep your attention on something debunkable and debatable while they tuck the mile long UFO stories up their sleeve lol

I wonder how many times we could see this scenario played out in the past. Some of you long-timers who really know a lot of the history could probably look back and tell...... how many times has there been a huge UFO story, and then along comes a MISDIRECTION of some other story??

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Jan 25, 2008, 4:30am

If they can not keep you diverted by foolishness, then they will just do it by destroying the economy. Tell me why Humans worship the rich. Do you not understand the methods of the PTB yet?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 25, 2008, 4:45am

I just saw another Larry King UFO show about the Texas sightings. This time the headline is "UFO Cover Up?"

No more Mcgahay. They wised up and had Shermer on instead. But it seems Shermer has softened his tone a bit and almost seemed open to possibilities. Is the tide turning? I sure wish they would have had Stanton on. I don't care too much for Fox's demeanor lately.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 25, 2008, 2:27pm

Well at least there is national media coverage

Check out USA Today Jan 23rd and from Jan 17th

and on Jan 15th

These and more are from this page

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by infrafred on Jan 25, 2008, 4:31pm

Think of all the Money the Govements spends on Everything.

So they say UFOs are not real ,Nothing to investigate?

Think of all the Amazing sightings since 1968.

Real or Fake this UFO thing is not going away.

::)

But on the second hand maybe it is better not to have the
Goverment involed

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dragonfire on Jan 25, 2008, 4:39pm

Well, the more sightings are recorded and reported, especially to media, police, etc.... the more the gov will have to deal with it. Meaning, someplace along the line they will have to fess up

Can't dismiss every sighting as fighter jets and conventional air craft. People have too much knowledge. Something has to give, hopefully.

Or maybe they claim mass hysteria ::)

lol

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 25, 2008, 6:39pm

I'll opt for temperature inversions or Venus. Those used to work pretty good.
Also, trotting out an astronomer to say that they haven't seen anything coming in from outer space.
Loved that one.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Jan 25, 2008, 9:19pm

We believe it is time to look closely between the UFO phenomenon and the so called private elite. The Governments of this Earth are controlled by a cabal and not the people. The reason all is kept secret maybe because of the power this knowledge gives this elite and not because of any protection the general populace believes they are receiving.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by astrodicted on Jan 26, 2008, 10:25am

Hehe even Michio Kaku mentioned it in his podcast "explora".Only 5mins but rly nice...He said that cases with multiple witness MUST be investigated by scientists/people with the best equipment.Great news if u consider what kinda peops listen to his podcast

Grtz

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 28, 2008, 3:14am

There has been another UFO sighting locally. This report is from some simple country folk. Sighting was on 1-18-08.

Funny lightning’ leads to video

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:23 PM CST

Stephenville resident David Caron said it was his seven-year-old grandson, Jeremiah, that first alerted him to “funny lightning in the sky.”

“That was on Friday evening, January 18,” Caron said. “I went out and saw the skies were clear, you know, he’s just a kid. I didn’t think that much about it.”

It wasn’t until the next night that Caron realized exactly why his grandson made the comment and what he meant when he said, “Papa come look. There’s funny lightning in the sky.”

Shortly before 9 p.m., Caron said he saw something that caught his eye when looking in the direction of Selden or towards the Southeast horizon.

“I knew it wasn’t a star,” Caron said. “I ran in the house to get the camcorder.”

That night and the next is when Caron captured video that has now been shown on Channel 11 and 8 news. He shot the video with a JVC 32X Optical Hyper Zoom camera he purchased from a rent-to-own store a few months ago.

“I was dumbfounded,” Caron said. “I didn’t know what to think. You could see it much better through the camera than with the naked eye. I’m 52 and I’ve been all over the place and I’ve never seen anything that comes even close to what this looked like.”

Coran said he can slow the film down on his DVD player and sometimes with the slow speed it appears to have a “hamburger shape.”

Eric Hunsucker was with Caron at the time.

“I didn’t really believe in UFOs,” Hunsucker said. “I think until you see something like that it’s just speculation.”

Hunsucker thought the lights looked like some kind of writing in the sky.

“It’s almost like they are trying to communicate with us,” Hunsucker said. “It reminded me of Egyptian hieroglyphics.”

Caron said he did not see any jets with the object. He said Steve Allen helped him to get the video copywrited.

Both men believe it was something “from another world.”

“I don’t think our technology could create something like that,” Hunsucker said. “It’s almost like it was bending light and jumping around moving very fast.”

Coran said someone with more expertise, could use the landmarks in the video to approximate how far away it was. He also said he didn’t hear anything except the cars passing on the road in front of where he lives.

When asked if the footage could have been altered in any way, both men said they don’t own computers and “can barely turn one on.”

Coran and Hunsucker swore the footage has not been tampered with.

From all of the grandchildren running around the house it was clear that Coran was rich with a loving family but not much else. He’s unemployed and would like to sell the film to help out with his daily living expenses until he can land another job.

“Any thing would help,” Coran said. “People keep saying this will be worth a lot of money but so far nobody has offered any.”

Steve Allen said he feels the Japanese may buy the film or another foreign country may show interest and he wants Coran to get as much money as he can. While not exactly what Allen and friends saw on Jan. 8, he said, “It comes closer than anything else I’ve seen.”

Steve Hudgeons, senior field investigator of MUFON, made a special trip from Fort Worth to look at the 14 minute-video.

“To me it looks authentic but I’m not a video analyst,” Hudgeons said. “With some effort I personally could create what I saw, but I don’t think this is what has been done. I never have seen anything like this. It looks like a high-speed object. The sounds in the background and the voices add authenticity to the video. Also, the photo taken near Glen Rose of a similar object adds authenticity because these people don’t even know each other.”

Hudgeons was referring to the photo the Empire-Tribune ran on Friday of a red colored object taken by a man in Glen Rose who does not wish to be identified.

Because Coran does not have a telephone, anyone interested in purchasing the video can write to him at P.O Box 2046, Stephenville, Texas 76401.

Angelia Joiner is a staff writer at the Empire-Tribune. She can be reached at 254-965-3124 ext. 238 or angelia.joiner@empiretribune.com.
http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/27/news/news03.txt

Here is the video footage.
CBS Ch.11
ABC Ch. 8

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 28, 2008, 3:59am

Anybody see any similarities?

[image]

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zenmaster00 on Jan 28, 2008, 4:05am

One meaning is too long of an exposure, relative to the motion of camera or subject.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 28, 2008, 4:08am

The photographer says he used a video camera and I guess this is live action. Go listen to the guy. He says the object looked like a giant hamburger and this light display was projecting from it.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 28, 2008, 4:08am

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I'll opt for temperature inversions or Venus. Those used to work pretty good.
Also, trotting out an astronomer to say that they haven't seen anything coming in from outer space.
Loved that one.

Let's not forget what astronomers do and more importantly HOW they do it. They look at stars and planets and other galaxies, and they do it through telescopes. Now, find 1 single astronomer who will deny that this is similar to looking at the ground through a straw, I don't think you will find one. So, it is (in effect) looking to the skies with blinders on, so James Mcgaha and others like him have absolutely NO EXPERTISE in the area of debunking anyone's testimonies about their own personal experience with having seen SOMETHING in the skies that they KNOW not to have been jets, flares, swamp gases, atmospheric reflections, or any of the other rediculous things these skeptics have suggested.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 28, 2008, 4:14am

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The photographer says he used a video camera and I guess this is live action. Go listen to the guy. He says the object looked like a giant hamburger and this light display was projecting from it.

another witness confirmed it is what he saw in the sky that night also, so obviously it is NOT an over exposure but it is the actual accurate appearance of the UFO.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zenmaster00 on Jan 28, 2008, 4:38am

Sorry guys. (booooo)

JVC review.
"Be prepared for some weird, David Lynch–like effects in Night Alive mode. To compensate for the low light, the camera captures scenes in a spooky way such that images contain light trails in choppy slow motion"

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 28, 2008, 4:53am

I would like to see the whole 14 min clip of footage instead of the few seconds on the news clip. I can guarantee you one thing. I know who Mr. Caron is and to put this nicely, he does not have the know how to fake something like this. To be perfectly honest with you I am surprised he even has a camcorder.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 28, 2008, 5:11am

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Sorry guys. (booooo)

JVC review.
"Be prepared for some weird, David Lynch–like effects in Night Alive mode. To compensate for the low light, the camera captures scenes in a spooky way such that images contain light trails in choppy slow motion"

I guess that could explain it. Nice find.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 28, 2008, 6:45am

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Once again though, another witness to the UFO said that what he saw on the video was the same thing he saw in the sky. This was the pilot/business owner, Mr. Allen, and I believe the man.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zenmaster00 on Jan 28, 2008, 1:43pm

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Once again though, another witness to the UFO said that what he saw on the video was the same thing he saw in the sky. This was the pilot/business owner, Mr. lewis, and I believe the man.

He must have been talking about another portion of the video...

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 28, 2008, 4:26pm

Zenmaster,

How did you happen to come by the camcorder info with the Night Alive feature? Do you also own one of those JVCs?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zenmaster00 on Jan 29, 2008, 1:33am

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Zenmaster,

How did you happen to come by the camcorder info with the Night Alive feature? Do you also own one of those JVCs?

After watching the video, I suspected the stop-motion effect was due to a special camera feature. Just used google to look for some search terms like light trails and JVC. Turns out, it is a popular feature available on many of their models.

I don't own a camcorder. But if I bought one, it'd be one of the new high definition models - the prices on those have come down a lot. How many times have you'll wished someone had only used a better camera?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 29, 2008, 4:49am

I think the tracers are definitely caused by the video and the hands holding the camera, but could be a UFO they are filming.
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As far as the Texas sightings, I see a correlation between the drawing that was on C2C (based on witness testimony given to LMH by Ricky Sorrells). It is amazingly close to what was on the 11-13-07 triangle witness drawing.

Someone posted this drawing by a witness who drew the 11-13-07 UFO in California --

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link to that thread: http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index....95610388&page=4

The witnesses in both the California and Texas sightings said it shape shifted and seemed like 1 - 2 miles long at times. A very similar description and likeness with the underbelly holes.

Here is the image from Earthfiles -- Ricky's drawing and an artist's conception of witness Ricky Sorrells description of Texas UFO. Very similar I would say to the California drawing. (there was a different artists conception on C2C also)

[image]

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by redman042 on Jan 29, 2008, 4:44pm

Some of the eyewitness descriptions (shape shifting, blinking lights) remind me a whole lot of the video from those two girls a few months ago that was filmed near Firebaugh (I think that's where it was - somewhere along I-5 in California). Sorry I can't find the thread here or I would link it. Does anyone else notice this similarity? I wonder if anyone in Texas has seen this and would notice similarities to their sighting.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 29, 2008, 5:33pm

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Some of the eyewitness descriptions (shape shifting, blinking lights) remind me a whole lot of the video from those two girls a few months ago that was filmed near Firebaugh (I think that's where it was - somewhere along I-5 in California). Sorry I can't find the thread here or I would link it. Does anyone else notice this similarity? I wonder if anyone in Texas has seen this and would notice similarities to their sighting.

hey red, that's the same link and sighting I had in previous post

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Jan 30, 2008, 5:09am

This is priceless

http://ufonations.blogspot.com/2008/01/mufon-believe-ufo-sightings-in-texas.html

MUFON Believe UFO Sightings in Texas a Cover Up |government cover up?

MUFON (mutual UFO network) is asking to have the military repeat their training as they claim that the UFO Sightings over Stephenville Texas was a military exercise ,although they initially denied that they had any military aircraft in the area .MUFON wants to study the image of what the 200 or so witnesses saw on the night of Jan 8th,2008 and compare it with the pictures and facts they already have to determine if they were in fact F16 jets.I think what MUFON is asking will never ever be granted as the government could be lying or maybe they had a black project aircraft (secret aircraft) in the area.Watch what the MUFON has to say and decide for yourself,was it a cover up of UFOS? or was it a cover up for a secret military aircraft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-gSm1PCpc

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Jan 30, 2008, 9:27am

Are the Erath county sighting the same ones as the Stevenville Texas sightings?

Sorry I am slow to get up to speed.

I found the original KSLA video and dumped the frames from the video.

That can be found here:
http://www.divshare.com/download/3644652-11a

If you have any trouble opening it, just use http://www.jzip.com/ it's free and easy to use.

The animated gif of the video can be found here:
http://i25.tinypic.com/ou6uy1.gif

My attempt at stabilizing the image (by hand) for 95 frames:
[image]

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 30, 2008, 3:30pm

Yes fore they are the same. Stephenville is in Erath County. This is where I live. Stephenville is the county seat of Erath County.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Jan 30, 2008, 4:05pm

In a way, the MUFON request if laughable. The military would not expend the money or the time just to grant this kind of request from an organization like this to prove UFOs are not the culprit.
They aren't and never have been at the behest of civilian organizations.
A lawsuit maybe, but there would have to be evidence of damage.
These types of answers by military and scientists(astronomers) have been going on since at least Roswell.
One of the best ones was the Lonnie Zamora and the Lunar Lander test vehicle incident. What a laffer!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Jan 30, 2008, 4:23pm

One thing I think should be noted is that the lights don't change in distance relative to another. Sure, it is a brief time. But they must be holding a pretty tight formation to achieve that.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Jan 30, 2008, 5:02pm

Does the Air Force normally operate their training missions over cities?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/airspace.htm
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/mili....ingtraining.htm

It turns out the aircraft were not flying in the MOA airspace. Some have speculated the reason they strayed was because of the UFO's close proximity to the Bush ranch.
http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01/stephenville-ufos-was-air-force.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Jan 30, 2008, 5:28pm

Lets remember that the witnesses do know the difference between Fighter planes and a mile long craft. Some said that they witnessed F-16s following the object. So how could the object in question be F-16s? This is one lame explanation from the AF.

Pitiful, downright pitiful! ::)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 31, 2008, 12:41am

Ok, I just returned from Stephenville where I spoke with Angelia Joiner, the reporter who broke the story in the local newspaper there. I asked if she was aware of the airstrips near Morgan, Tx. and she told me that she had information that the airstrips were for testing a Lockheed aircraft, NOT what wikipedia reports it as being. She then offered the information that she knew that it was an underground military base, which floored me. I went down there hoping to speak in person with Ricky Sorrells, but I was unsuccessful. I DID however mention to Ms. Joiner that I suspected that Sorrells had been the witness who was threatened as he was the one who was doing the interviews, she then said, "Well, (Mr.)Lewis has been talking also," to which I replied, "Yes, but he didn't see the craft, Sorrells did, several times and in the daylight, and he is the only one who gave a detailed description of it in public". The look on her face gave me the impression that I was correct. She THEN offered the information about the airstrips being an underground base. I then gave her the name of Phil Schnieder, and told her to do a search in Google and watch his video lectures. She was VERY interested. She THEN showed me (and forwarded the email) an email with a pic from France, I am posting the link below. I want your feedback on this please, thanks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con....7032202132.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Jan 31, 2008, 1:21am

erik
I found some stuff out about our little site on Hwy 144 as well. I talked to my pilot friend again that had actually been on the site for an auction. He said when he was there, there was a very powerful radar array on site. As I stated earlier he said the site was used for testing stealth wing design. Which is collaborated by your report. One of the new things he reported is there was this wing that he saw that had been curled up from the tip of the wing towards the base. He said he was talking with one of the employees about the wing and asked him what happened. The employee said a tornado did that. My friend responded, "A tornado didn't do that." The employee then asked him "what do think happened to it?" My friend then said, "The same thing that happened at Montauk." My friend then said that the employee got a startled look on his face and asked him what he knew about Montauk. Before he could answer another employee of the site told the other, "come on we need to go." The gist of the story is they were doing more than testing the radar reflectiveness of stealth wings.

If you have never heard about Montauk click on the link.

edit for grammar

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by dronesrus on Jan 31, 2008, 3:38pm

An article posted today on Casebook says that the Japanese have been in contact with Steve Allen trying to meet with him and buy any videos he has of the UFO. If it is US secret military, I hope he doesn't sell them evidence lol We probably don't want the Japanese to know our secret military craft.... but if it is an alien craft maybe the Japanese interest can help flush it out of water so to speak, and get the US to offer up some other kind of explanation.

link to article posted at Casebook from the same woman, Angelia Joiner
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/japaninterested.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Jan 31, 2008, 6:59pm

http://www.divshare.com/download/3659409-c73

Here is another of my attempts to stabilize the image using automated software. I am still learning how to use it. (Sorry, but I think the witness was having an epileptic fit during filming...LOL)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 31, 2008, 8:06pm

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http://www.divshare.com/download/3659409-c73

Here is another of my attempts to stabilize the image using automated software. I am still learning how to use it. (Sorry, but I think the witness was having an epileptic fit during filming...LOL)

Fore,
If I am not mistaken, this is the video from the woman in Louisiana near Arkansas on the same date, a few hours after the Stephenville sighting, and NOT a video from the Erath county area.
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7700063&nav=0RY5

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Jan 31, 2008, 8:18pm

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Woops! I will change the names around. See I was confused about which sightings are which.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 31, 2008, 8:32pm

It's SO much easier for me because I live here

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Jan 31, 2008, 8:36pm

Quote:

An article posted today on Casebook says that the Japanese have been in contact with Steve Allen trying to meet with him and buy any videos he has of the UFO. If it is US secret military, I hope he doesn't sell them evidence lol We probably don't want the Japanese to know our secret military craft.... but if it is an alien craft maybe the Japanese interest can help flush it out of water so to speak, and get the US to offer up some other kind of explanation.

link to article posted at Casebook from the same woman, Angelia Joiner
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/japaninterested.html

The Japanese were also VERY interested in what Phil Schneider had to say before his murder. I think it is simply a genuine interest in UFOs but may also have 'competetive' agendas involved.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 1, 2008, 12:53am

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Ok, I just returned from Stephenville where I spoke with Angelia Joiner, the reporter who broke the story in the local newspaper there. I asked if she was aware of the airstrips near Morgan, Tx. and she told me that she had information that the airstrips were for testing a Lockheed aircraft, NOT what wikipedia reports it as being. She then offered the information that she knew that it was an underground military base, which floored me. I went down there hoping to speak in person with Ricky Sorrells, but I was unsuccessful. I DID however mention to Ms. Joiner that I suspected that Sorrells had been the witness who was threatened as he was the one who was doing the interviews, she then said, "Well, (Mr.)Lewis has been talking also," to which I replied, "Yes, but he didn't see the craft, Sorrells did, several times and in the daylight, and he is the only one who gave a detailed description of it in public". The look on her face gave me the impression that I was correct. She THEN offered the information about the airstrips being an underground base. I then gave her the name of Phil Schnieder, and told her to do a search in Google and watch his video lectures. She was VERY interested. She THEN showed me (and forwarded the email) an email with a pic from France, I am posting the link below. I want your feedback on this please, thanks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con....7032202132.html

Great work with this...please keep us updated

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 1, 2008, 12:55am

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Even though it maybe mislabeled...great work here as well.

i wonder if any of the Texas witnesses have seen this or the orignal video of this craft?

would be nice to know if this is what they saw.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 1, 2008, 1:11am

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Even though it maybe mislabeled...great work here as well.

i wonder if any of the Texas witnesses have seen this or the orignal video of this craft?

would be nice to know if this is what they saw.

Well, I only know that these people are not the type of people who spend a lot of time online, and the reporter, Joiner, had no idea of the amount of information that is in these types of forums, so I sent her links to many different forums, videos, pictures, and statements that would get her started in the right direction. The witnesses are very much private people who have had their lives turned upside down since coming forward with their testimonies. I am sure that all of them would rather it never have happened, at least not to them. Others just want 1 thing- answers, truthful answers, as to what it was that they saw. I hope that Ms. Joiner will pass the links on to them, as I asked her to do.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 1, 2008, 1:20am

Very well said erik.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 1, 2008, 6:12pm

I just got off the phone with Ms. Joiner. I called her to ask if she had relayed my messages to the witnesses, which she said, "Yes, I think I forwarded all the information to them. There is a LOT of information out there (internet)". I also, however, felt I was getting the 'bum's rush' as she seemed anxious to end the call, so.... I am sure these people have been bombarded with all types of strange calls, visits, etc. since January 8.
I certainly do not wish to be added to the growing list of bothersome ones.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Feb 1, 2008, 6:22pm

In the last 14 pages has there been any rough draft of a timeline of events?

I'd like to make a graphic of pins showing the rough route the craft took to see if it had any trajectory in mind while moving.

(My latest cleaned up version of the ufo over Lousiana/Arkansas http://www.divshare.com/download/3667459-035 )

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 1, 2008, 6:30pm

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In the last 14 pages has there been any rough draft of a timeline of events?

I'd like to make a graphic of pins showing the rough route the craft took to see if it had any trajectory in mind while moving.

(My latest cleaned up version of the ufo over Lousiana/Arkansas http://www.divshare.com/download/3667459-035 )

Hhhmm, not that I am aware of. Good point tho, might give an idea of origin, and destination though.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 1, 2008, 6:47pm

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I just got off the phone with Ms. Joiner. I called her to ask if she had relayed my messages to the witnesses, which she said, "Yes, I think I forwarded all the information to them. There is a LOT of information out there (internet)". I also, however, felt I was getting the 'bum's rush' as she seemed anxious to end the call, so.... I am sure these people have been bombarded with all types of strange calls, visits, etc. since January 8.
I certainly do not wish to be added to the growing list of bothersome ones.

Probably better to email.

I email George Knapp from time to time.

He replies when he can.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 1, 2008, 7:11pm

well, I don't have anyone's email addresses, but I gave my information to Ms. Joiner to pass on to them all. I think she still may be a bit skeptical of me, as well as others. After all, you know as well as I do what type of 'nutsos' can seem to come out of the woodwork after such events, right? So she may be trying to figure out which type of nutso I am

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 1, 2008, 7:27pm

You’re our kinda nutso, motorcyclerick.

You and verum are doing a great job on the ground!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 1, 2008, 7:31pm

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You’re our kinda nutso, motorcyclerick.

You and verum are doing a great job on the ground!

Yes, verum, I would like to meet with him. he knows some of the locals near Stephenville. I will message him and see if he might like to meet.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 1, 2008, 8:07pm

Verum, I have only been able to follow this sporadically.
Has everything stopped as far as new nightly reports? Is there an official presense still in the area?
Rick, you mentioned the one guy, maybe Sorrells, as being told to shut up. Has anyone come forward about more threats in the local communities and what the nature of the threats are, i,e picking his bones off the grass kind of threats?

While I am at it, I might as well bring this up. There have been situations where spies have stolen and leaked advanced military tech to foreign powers and the penalties in peacetime are not usually that strong.
A major threat like telling someone to shut up or else kind of threat seems to connote a much more serious aspect than military tech.
This brings me back to the fear factor rather than holding on to alien or reverse engineered tech.
Welcome to the site, by the way.
Eth.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 1, 2008, 8:35pm

etherian-The last sighting to my knowledge was on 1-18-08. The one with the tracer type footage. The fighter jet flyovers have greatly diminshed. There are still flyovers around dusk everyday.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 2, 2008, 12:02am

Verum. Thanks!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 2, 2008, 1:25am

First I wanted to thank fore for giving me this idea. Fore I hope you don't feel like I stole your idea. I just figured since I live here I could do it much easier.

1-8-08 Erath County Sighting Flight Path and Time-line:
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The players:
Steve Allen: A pilot for over 30 years and trucking company owner.

David Jaquess: Construction company owner.

James Hughes: Former Air Force Navigational Specialist.

Anne Frazor:

Glenda Jackson:

Lee Roy Gaitan: Erath County Constable

Ricky Sorrels: Machinist

According to Mufon an additional 30+ witness' showed up on Jan. 19 meeting in Dublin, TX to give their statements. Mufon also said they had numerous other witness' give their statements over the phone and through their website. Brining the total number of witness' to close to 100. Initially Major Karl Lewis of Naval Joint Reserve Base (Carswell Field) Fort Worth, TX said there were no planes from his unit in the area. Then two weeks to the day on January 22 Major Lewis recounts stating their was a clerical error and indeed their were 10 F-16s in the area training.

There were two additional sightings as well. January 14 in Cleburne, TX by Sabre Bowman, and January 18 by David Caron in Stephenville. There is footage of these two events.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 2, 2008, 3:03am

Verum,
you gotta show me how to do that

Thanks, and well done.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 2, 2008, 3:07am

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Verum, I have only been able to follow this sporadically.
Has everything stopped as far as new nightly reports? Is there an official presense still in the area?
Rick, you mentioned the one guy, maybe Sorrells, as being told to shut up. Has anyone come forward about more threats in the local communities and what the nature of the threats are, i,e picking his bones off the grass kind of threats?

While I am at it, I might as well bring this up. There have been situations where spies have stolen and leaked advanced military tech to foreign powers and the penalties in peacetime are not usually that strong.
A major threat like telling someone to shut up or else kind of threat seems to connote a much more serious aspect than military tech.
This brings me back to the fear factor rather than holding on to alien or reverse engineered tech.
Welcome to the site, by the way.
Eth.

I have not spoken to any of the witnesses myself and only know that 1 has been threatened due to the remark made at the end of the 2nd Larry King show by the man who made the movie 'Out of the blue'. (If I dont take notes, I am terrible with names)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 2, 2008, 5:21am

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The man is James Fox. This is from the LK transcript posted by Surfer:

FOX: We're not constructing a whole new world view. But I want to say really quickly, I met with a gentleman in Stephenville who unfortunately is not willing to go on the record right now because he's being harassed by the military. He's asked the military to stop harassing him. Their response is, stop talking about what you saw. And it's the most unambiguous -- he didn't see lights. He saw the craft.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 2, 2008, 6:25am

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I find the flashing red light underneath apparently in the center of this rectangular shaped (at least it appears rectangular to me) craft to be very suspiciously 'human made' like.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 2, 2008, 5:26pm

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Yes, and by process of elimination (no one else saw the craft in the daylight) I deduced that Sorrells is indeed the person who was threatened as he was the ONLY witness that gave a public description of the craft.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Feb 2, 2008, 6:08pm

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I find the flashing red light underneath apparently in the center of this rectangular shaped (at least it appears rectangular to me) craft to be very suspiciously 'human made' like.

Your not the only one with the same suspicion. From the description of the woman in the video it seems to have shape characteristics to a hybrid alien-human design.

From the womans description (like a rounded stealth bomber I think she said) it sounds like the craft was the marriage of a classic earthly design with obvious ET performance and characteristics.

But if this were the case, then why would F-16 still be flying around in the sky?

Did the witnesses mention how it disappeared?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 2, 2008, 6:13pm

Ontos: Thanks for that blurb. I missed out on that whole thing, so that is interesting to say the least.

Rick: Thanks to you as well. I agree also that the "device" appears to be square. There were some square ones that flew over Israel back in the 90s.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by fore on Feb 2, 2008, 6:16pm

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First I wanted to thank fore for giving me this idea. Fore I hope you don't feel like I stole your idea. I just figured since I live here I could do it much easier.

1-8-08 Erath County Sighting Flight Path and Time-line:
[image]

Nah, I don't mind at all verum

. It'd be nice if I just gave out ideas and had someone else do the hard work hehe.

What I find interesting is that the craft followed a route parallel to a state highway.

Was it going or coming from mexico?

Is there any chance you could super impose population densities on this map? It'd be interesting to see if it was avoiding major urban centers.

Maybe we can guess why it was moving in the particular direction it was going and figure out if any sightings (however obscure were sighted in the path of it's trajectory. <shrug>

Is the Arkansas sighting also going to be included on your map?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 2, 2008, 6:49pm

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Nah, I don't mind at all verum

Great work guys!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 3, 2008, 1:20am

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We’re on the same page rick. The point that I was quietly trying to make is this. Can you imagine the effect of a LK program where the main guest can both describe the craft, and describe his harassment by the military? That could be a cork popper.

That’s one reason why your and verum’s work are so important.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 3, 2008, 6:07am

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Well, the problem with that is this- what happens to Sorrells after the show? LK goes home, we all go to the fridge for a snack and Sorrells is left on his own, alone and unprotected after having deliberately ignoring the threat of going public yet again. I want to try to meet with him, Allen, and others if possible and ask some questions on camera if at all possible.
I also went to the Aurora cemetery today and saw that the alleged alien grave is now completely unmarked. It took me a while to even find it, and I did not even know I had found it until I got home and re read the directions. (I took pix of the wrong grave, lol) so now I have to go back.
I am taking pictures and making videos to put together a documentary, if possible. Just taking pix and vids for notes right now though.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 3, 2008, 7:23am

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Oh, I certainly agree. If true, the issue of witness safety is paramount.

The part of this that bothers me is that according to James Fox, someone who saw the craft (possibly Mr. Sorrels) was harassed AFTER he went public.

That’s why it’s so important to have independent confirmation, such as: Mr. X says to you, “Yes, they threatened me and that’s why I shut up.” Or, Mr. X says to you, “No, I wasn’t harassed, I just…”

Assuming he did see and WAS harassed, and said so on LK, the expose might be such that he could not be touched. Furthermore, it might draw the attention of and bring pressure to bear on, those who could investigate the military.

Assuming he did see and WAS NOT harassed, you have to wonder about Mr. Fox.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 3, 2008, 3:21pm

One can only hope that they come back and shove a crate of Dr Pepper where the sun don't shine!

What's next ?.... "~~Coke~~ Disclosure, it's the real thing."

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Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 3, 2008, 5:46pm

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One can only hope that they come back and shove a crate of Dr Pepper where the sun don't shine!

What's next ?.... "~~Coke~~ Disclosure, it's the real thing."

[image]

Yes, it is unfortunate (though also natural) that so many are capitalizing on the event. It gives the entire sighting an aire of 'falseness' and does little to help the efforts of those trying to get to the truth.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 4, 2008, 1:32am

UFO witness claims harassment

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST

Ricky Sorrells is frustrated and a little angry.

Since his interview with the Associated Press, Sorrells has stayed quiet regarding the daytime UFO sightings on his property near Dublin.

And, there is more than one reason for his silence.

Sorrells believes military officials have been harassing him by flying military aircraft over his property at low altitudes, at all hours of the day and night. Sorrells runs livestock on his place and said the cattle don’t react well to the disturbances. It’s also been hard to get any sleep.

Sorrells made international news along with other witnesses on Jan. 14 after the Associated Press contacted him for his story and took video of the exact spot the UFO was seen along with Sorrells’ description of the object.

Not just once, but four times, he claims to have seen the massive flying object he estimates to be the length of “three or four football fields.” He said he’s not sure about the size because the first time he saw it was the best view. At that time, the craft hovered directly over him in the woods about 300 feet above his head and his view was blocked by tree branches.

“I don’t know why it keeps coming back here,” Sorrells said.

He’s convinced that someone representing himself as a Lt. Colonel knows what it is — and Sorrells wants an explanation.

He said the man contacted him by telephone on Jan. 15, one day after his interview with the Associated Press.

“I didn’t worry about writing his name down or taking notes,” Sorrells said. “I didn’t know what was about to happen. But, I think he said he was with the Air Force.”

Sorrells said the conversation started out nice enough.

“He was sort of nice to me right off,” Sorrells said. “He asked to come and talk to me.”

Sorrells said he told the man that he needed time to think about it and then, “He (the man) became really arrogant.”

The caller told Sorrells he wasn’t taking “no” for an answer and would be out to talk to him. Sorrells again tried to politely tell the man he did not wish to have company.

After that, Sorrells said the conversation became heated and he told the man not to cross his cattle guard.

Sorrells said the man responded with, “ Son, we have the same caliber weapons as you do but a lot more of them.”

Looking back, Sorrells said he believes the man was in his area but not able to pinpoint exactly where he lived because he recently built a new home.

“I actually got up and looked out my window to see if I could see someone at the cattle guard. So I said if he was who he said he was, why didn’t he stop flying over my air space with all those helicopters,” Sorrells said. “And he informed me that it was not my air space — it was his. He told me if I’d quit talking about what I saw he would stop the helicopters.”

Sorrells said since that conversation, the helicopters have quit flying over his property but the F-16s haven’t slowed.

Before the conversation took place with the suspected military officer Sorrells related a late night experience with a large transport helicopter and three smaller helicopters.

“I get up at 2:30 a.m. to go to work and these helicopters kept flying over and I couldn’t sleep,” Sorrells said. “Because it was about time to get up and go to work, I just got up and went outside to see what I could.”

Sorrells said he has a spotlight on his pickup that he uses to look for coyotes.

“I went to my truck and turned on the spotlight and shined it up at them,” Sorrells said. “It was so close, I could see the pilot’s reaction. He threw up his arm to block the light. He was in one of the smaller helicopters.

“Then he turned toward me and I still have the light on. I started to feel uncomfortable so I turned off the light and waved and went back inside. I was thinking I had pushed the envelope.”

To top that off, Sorrells said an acquaintance, whom he would not name, and formerly a member of the military, told him, “You need to shut your mouth about what you saw.”

Sorrells said he tried to pull the man aside and asked him to explain his statement.

“He just kept saying the same thing and wouldn’t explain,” Sorrells said. “ Now he won’t speak to me.”

Sorrells said because the helicopters disappeared, he now feels the gentlemen was actually a member of the military, and was high enough in rank that he was able to stop that type of air traffic.

“If it is a military craft the American people need to know,” Sorrells said. “A lot of people have seen things around here. I know what I saw and so do they.”

http://empiretribune.com/articles/2008/02/03/news/news02.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Feb 4, 2008, 3:53am

Verum this thread is most certainly explosive. I want to feel frustrated by your most recent post but honestly... Each little ( in this case BIG) piece of the truth that gets out there is most important. The game they play is weakening. My heart goes out to Ricky Sorrells and his way of life and family. It should not be like this -but we are dealing with an evil government.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 4, 2008, 3:56am

Verum,

This is big that it's on the local paper. I hope the ufology community comes to his aid. He desparately needs support or he will cave to the pressure. I hope Fox or Mufon or somebody comes to his aid. He should get video of the F-16s and helicopters and also put a recorder on his telephone. He might want to get a good lawyer too. If anything he has good grounds for a law suit. The Air force cannot legally fly their stuff so close to his property.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 4, 2008, 4:07am

from a legal standpoint -
1) the caller identified himself as a military officer, possibly a Lt. Colonel. This does NOT mean he was who/what he said he was.
2)he did not remember the name he was given, but it was most likely an alias anyway.
3) as he has already put his reputation at risk for reporting the UFO, if he were now to claim that a mysterious caller has threatened him without proof, he would only more easily be discredited by seeming paranoid and delusional.
4)though legal representation would be wise, it would also be very expensive.
5)even his friend(s) are advising him to keep quiet, who would he trust now?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 4, 2008, 4:15am

I was thinking of legal help to stop the fly by harassment. I think there might be many lawyers lining up to take this case on a contingency basis. Can you imagine suing the deep pockets of the air force?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 4, 2008, 4:37am

I have just sent an email to Ms. Joiner offering to donate a new wireless video camera and monitor to Mr. Sorrells via the newspaper office. I will wait for her reply. I am hoping it may ease his mind and his family's minds if they had some type of monitor set up.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by drpaxton on Feb 4, 2008, 3:46pm

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I was thinking of legal help to stop the fly by harassment. I think there might be many lawyers lining up to take this case on a contingency basis. Can you imagine suing the deep pockets of the air force?

You can't sue the Federal Gov.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 4, 2008, 4:07pm

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You can't sue the Federal Gov.

That's not true. It's in the 1st amendment of the constitution. It's the most basic right our government is founded on, the right to petition.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 4, 2008, 4:14pm

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You can't sue the Federal Gov.

While researching the question of suing the federal government, I came across this:

http://bbspot.com/News/2001/04/aliens.html

The video equipment and monitor, and a lawyer are expensive. Got a PO Box where we can contribute? Possibly the Newspapers’?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 4, 2008, 4:51pm

You can send a comment to the Empire Tribune here:
http://empiretribune.com/guestbook/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by area51 on Feb 4, 2008, 5:10pm

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In a way, the MUFON request if laughable. The military would not expend the money or the time just to grant this kind of request from an organization like this to prove UFOs are not the culprit.
They aren't and never have been at the behest of civilian organizations.
A lawsuit maybe, but there would have to be evidence of damage.
These types of answers by military and scientists(astronomers) have been going on since at least Roswell.
One of the best ones was the Lonnie Zamora and the Lunar Lander test vehicle incident. What a laffer!

His comment was "I would like to see...." it was just a simple logical statement which would be required to say positively one way or the other.

That is not an official request from MUFON. It is a way to eliminate the training exercise as an explaination, simple logic. Or it could be the explaination.

The government may or may not allow someone/group to sue based on the merits, their decision.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 4, 2008, 5:13pm

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You can't sue the Federal Gov.

Here is Angelia Joiner's email, contact her directly -
angelia.joiner@empiretribune.com

And I think that it is great that you all want to help, as I do, maybe this is our purpose in all of this? Maybe we are supposed to make a change by supporting the witnesses, giving future witnesses the courage to come forward. I am proud to be a part of it.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 4, 2008, 5:20pm

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You can't sue the Federal Gov.

When did this article appear? I would like to keep an eye on this lawsuit.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 4, 2008, 5:58pm

If I may, this might end up not even being the US Air Force in Mr. Sorrell's case, nor their aircraft.
Fake Air Force officers and suits have harrassed witnesses time and again over the years. They come, they go. Oddly, they just eventually end and life goes on for the witness.
This may just be one more enigmatic case in the long and involved lore of the UFO issue.

Is this case going to be different? 3 to 6 months from now, we'll see.

And I'll add, if it is the military, it is pretty dumb and risky on multiple levels..

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 4, 2008, 6:35pm

Quote:

from a legal standpoint -
1) the caller identified himself as a military officer, possibly a Lt. Colonel. This does NOT mean he was who/what he said he was.
2)he did not remember the name he was given, but it was most likely an alias anyway.
3) as he has already put his reputation at risk for reporting the UFO, if he were now to claim that a mysterious caller has threatened him without proof, he would only more easily be discredited by seeming paranoid and delusional.
4)though legal representation would be wise, it would also be very expensive.
5)even his friend(s) are advising him to keep quiet, who would he trust now?

Yes, as I stated in this earlier post, the person was most likely NOT who he said he was. Also, he threatened over the phone....lol...to me, it seems like a lazy and cowardly way to threaten someone, but best for remaining covert.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 4, 2008, 7:23pm

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The video equipment and monitor, and a lawyer are expensive. Got a PO Box where we can contribute? Possibly the Newspapers’?

Email sent containing that suggestion. We'll see what happens.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 4, 2008, 7:23pm

More twists in the Sorrells' saga

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Monday, February 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST

angelia.joiner@empiretribune.com

Answers.

Ricky Sorrells just wants answers. And, in light of what he's been through, it doesn't seem to be a lot to ask.

Witnessing an unidentified flying object four times since the beginning of the new year, then having military aircraft whizzing over his land and disrupting his sleep and livestock, followed by a string of mysterious phone calls and in person encounters from individuals demanding he “shut up” about what he saw, and landing unexpectedly in the international spotlight, has taken a toll on the 37-year-old man accustomed to the simple life.

“If you told me a while back that I would be sitting here talking to you about UFOs I would have said, ‘No way, not in a million years,” Sorrells said. “ Now, I know for the rest of my life I'll keep looking to find out what it was.”

Sorrells said he is receiving a lot of support from family and friends helping him to keep an eye on things. He said that support has been a great help to him.

“I'm not going to freak out or anything,” Sorrells said. “I just think the government should come forward and help us to figure out this thing. I think people should write to their congressman or something.”

Sorrells said soon after his Associated Press interview went around the world in mid-January - not only was he allegedly contacted by a Lt. Colonel telling him to keep quiet about what he saw, he was also contacted by a woman named Linda Moulton Howe.

Howe's Web site touts: “Earthfiles is a crossroads where experts, eyewitnesses and viewers meet to share the latest updates in earth and astronomical mysteries, in-depth reports that go beyond the 6 o'clock news. Earthfiles reporter and editor, Linda Moulton Howe, is an Emmy Award-winning TV producer, investigative reporter and author who goes directly to the men and women at the forefront of science and environmental challenges and to firsthand eyewitnesses of high strangeness. Earthfiles.com received the 2006 W3 Silver Award for excellence in news category. Earthfiles.com also received the 2003 WebAward for Standard of Excellence and the 2000 Encyclopedia Britannica Award honoring Internet excellence.”

Sorrells said he vaguely remembered listening to her on a radio program years ago while on a road trip and her name clicked with him. It was the only familiar name he knew and she promised to do an investigation so he agreed not to talk to anyone else until she could make the trip from New Mexico. Howe arrived in Dublin last week and stayed with Sorrells and his family to conduct the investigation and left late last week.

“I told her everything I knew and showed her my property,” Sorrels said. “After she left, I felt I had honored my commitment with her. Things have settled down a little and I feel free to talk about the experiences I have had. I just didn't want to do anything that would interfere with her investigation because I want the truth.”

He said the last time he saw the object he was able to get a video on his camera phone and said he has seen some other “pretty good footage” taken by others.

One night Sorrells said he had four helicopters flying at such low altitude that when a spotlight was shined up at them from Sorrells' pickup he could see the pilot throw his arm up in front of his eyes to block the light. But there has been another strange occurrence recently on his property that leads him to believe the military is involved. It was an unexpected visitor about 1 a.m. who may have left something behind.

“I was in bed asleep,” Sorrells said. “I keep my bird dogs on the east side of my house and three others on the west side. The black lab doesn't bark until someone comes across the cattle guard and the Catahoula doesn't bark until she actually sees someone. They were all barking so I got up to see what was going on.”

Sorrells said he walked to his bedroom window and looked out to the top of his driveway - he saw someone.

“I went around the bed and grabbed my rifle,” Sorrells said.

His family was still sleeping, so with one hand on his gun and one hand on his backdoor knob, he peered through the window of the door to see if he could spot the intruder again.

“He had positioned himself in between the car and the pickup 40 to 50 feet from my back door,” Sorrells said. “He stood staring at me rocking back and forth. I didn't think his feet were moving but the next morning when looking at his tracks I could tell they were.”

Sorrels said it was cold and misting rain and it was obvious the guy was “dressed for the elements with a heavy parka-like coat.”

He said he strained to see if the man carried a gun but could not see one but could clearly see the face of someone he thought to be in his late 20s or early 30s judging from the way he “walked and acted.”

“I'm trying to decide whether or not to open the door,” Sorrells said. “We're just standing there face to face looking at each other. I'm thinking he's dressed for the elements and the dogs are raising such a ruckus he must know he's in danger of being caught. That's when I realized he wanted me to see him.”

Sorrells said the trespasser had positioned himself in such a way he decided he could be vulnerable if opened his door. He thought of his family and then the man slowly turned and walked into the woods.

“He walked through an area where I'd cleared the brush so apparently he'd been there before because he knew where to go,” Sorrells said.

Sorrells said shortly after the unwelcome caller disappeared the dogs calmed down and he stayed up the rest of the night to keep watch.

Later, when walking through the woods on his property with Howe, he decided to return to a bare spot where his property line ends at a fence.

“It is washed out there and I like to go there to look for deer and turkey tracks.” Sorrells said. He said he's an avid hunter and keeps abreast of the wildlife on his place. He said he had not been to this particular spot in about a month.

“The first thing I saw was a man's footprint,” Sorrells said. “Ms. Howe videotaped me putting my foot beside it. The sun was going down and I saw something shiny.”

Sorrells said he walked over and picked up a bullet - a shiny new 25-06 Remington - with some dotted tarnished smudges.

“I think the man that I saw that night dropped this bullet and the tarnished spots are from the misting rain that night,” Sorrells said. “ I just think it was the military showing me they could get to me if they wanted to.”

Sorrells said he just doesn't think a hunter poaching on his property would've dropped the bullet. He said he doesn't have trouble with poachers. While he knows there is no way to prove it could have been from the same man it's something he keeps mulling over. Sorrells returned home with the bullet in hand and took it apart to look at the powder to see if he could glean any information at all. A local gun and ammunition authority said there was no way to identify if such a bullet was from a military source.

“Talking about military powder is like talking about military gasoline,” he said. “There is no difference.”

Meanwhile, Sorrells said he and other witnesses are considering setting up a Web site to encourage people to do what they can to influence government participation in finding out about the curious, sometimes frightening, sightings.

“I've heard that other countries are releasing information on what they know,” Sorrells said. “We're thinking of calling it (the site) ‘Stephenville Lights.' Too many people have seen something not to try and continue finding out about it. We want to know what it was.”
http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/02/04/news/news01.txt

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 4, 2008, 9:49pm

jeez man, poor guy...

I kinda wish i could take his place for a little bit...
Id say what I wanted to whom I wanted, and see how far they took it.
Id Prolly dissapear as well, but whatever, Im so sick of this "shhh, you better not say anything or else" crap.
Im about ready to revolt, my friends. lol
:-/

GGRRR

Thanks alot Verum, much appreciated bro!!
Blessing upon you and yours. Andy

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 4, 2008, 10:12pm

I’ve been in touch with Angelia Joiner (a very nice lady). She suggested a way to set up a local account to receive and disburse donations. When I get that done (hopefully tomorrow), I’ll report back.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 5, 2008, 12:25am

I had a strong suspicion that the cam/monitor I offered to donate would be needed. It is typical intimidation tactics, textbook. There will be more also, most likely directed toward his family. I will also bet the intruder was well armored with kevlar.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by lightwaveryder on Feb 5, 2008, 6:49pm

interesting...
the 25-06 cartridge is a modified 30-06 cartridge and the military has a sniper rig that uses the aforementioned cartridge.....

this lead me to the wiki link...

25-06 Remington History and General Information.
The 25-06 remington originally was a wildcat cartridge first introduced by A.O.Niedner in 1920 based on 30/06 brass necked down to .257 caliber, it was adopted by remington and introduced to the public in a remington model 700 rifle in 1969.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System

the wiki.

~lwr~

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 5, 2008, 7:56pm

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interesting...
the 25-06 cartridge is a modified 30-06 cartridge and the military has a sniper rig that uses the aforementioned cartridge.....

this lead me to the wiki link...

25-06 Remington History and General Information.
The 25-06 remington originally was a wildcat cartridge first introduced by A.O.Niedner in 1920 based on 30/06 brass necked down to .257 caliber, it was adopted by remington and introduced to the public in a remington model 700 rifle in 1969.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System

Wow. I wonder if this is the message they are trying to send? That they have snipers out in the pasture that could pick Rick off at any time.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by lightwaveryder on Feb 5, 2008, 7:58pm

This is an old game the military plays, the 'big brother' syndrome.

to quote bladerunner, 'you know the score pal, if you're not cop , you're little people'.

I would guess that this gentleman is now in serious danger, sadly, of a the unforseen accident kind, all we can do is admire his bravery and keep him in mind along with the score of others, when it comes time to settle accounts on the disclosure scenario.

~lwr~

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 5, 2008, 8:16pm

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This is an old game the military plays, the 'big brother' syndrome.

to quote bladerunner, 'you know the score pal, if you're not cop , you're little people'.

I would guess that this gentleman is now in serious danger, sadly, of a the unforseen accident kind, all we can do is admire his bravery and keep him in mind along with the score of others, when it comes time to settle accounts on the disclosure scenario.

~lwr~

...Or we can DO something, set up video survielence cameras, motion detectors, lights, broadcast the survielence on the net, allowing many to record it simultaneously. Maybe to try and prevent any 'accidents' from happening. We don't want a martyr, we want the truth. We can say, "Ah jeez, poor guy, well I wish him the best", or we can actually DO something to make a difference. Too many times we sit back and watch from the cheap seats, I am going to get in the game this time.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by lightwaveryder on Feb 5, 2008, 9:11pm

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excellent sentiment ! I would agree, but if i were a betting man, i'd put my 5 bucks on the PTB doing something unexpected,usually not on the property where he resides. Something about 11 microbiologists dying in a few months comes to mind......

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000623.html

caveat lector : if you show up on the radar for the PTB, you could join the list. Do everything anonymously and pay for everything in cash.

~lwr~

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 5, 2008, 9:42pm

Probably good advice, LWR

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 6, 2008, 12:21am

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Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences --
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.c....&num=1167831320

http://valis.gnn.tv/B16098

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 6, 2008, 8:05am

Verum and Rick, this is an amazing, amazing situation, and what you are doing is SO important. Ontos, i am so impressed with your clear thinking and efforts, and really appreciate your keeping me informed. Kudos to everyone contributing to the amazing work being done on this thread, and the concern being shown here, for "our guys on the ground," AND in support of RS. The very real willingness to HELP is really clear here, in word and action. Good advice and thoughts from all concerned! I am really impressed, and would like to help too.

My thoughts and prayers have been with RS, since i heard him on a LMH interview. He was just hoping to hear from the government that what he'd seen was OURS, and so everything was okay. Instead, he's confronted with all this sh*t. This makes me want to kill. I SO wish I were there with you Texas boys! Not so I could actually kill, just maybe help keep anybody from getting killed, which is my more immediate concern here.

I trust everyone is taking the danger seriously. At the same time, if we can't DO SOMETHING TO HELP THIS GUY . . . what's the point of our being here? Or there? That's the question I'm asking myself, anyway. I am impressed with the ideas people are coming up with and/or acting on. I'm sure more input from RS and other contacts will help clarify what is most needed, and how/what we can help best.

Just thinking out loud, a couple of thoughts, mostly related to ideas already expressed here, for your consideration:

1. Those of you on the ground out there, please be careful. I think RS is in very real danger, and anyone trying to facilitate his speaking publicly, or perhaps even protect him, is in very real danger. I think most or all of us have heard or experienced enough to be in agreement about this?

2. My news background makes me agree with the notion that RS's best protection (other than shutting up and maybe disappearing for awhile, if that is even possible)--if he is determined to speak out --is to get as much news coverage as possible. To be heard as widely as possible. Reading that second interview, I am so blown away by his courage--at a time when his whole view of reality has just been substantially revised! he must feel like he's in some bizarre dream or something right now, and yet he still refused to let that intimidation, and "dropped" bullet, silence him. I really admire him, and feel so much sympathy for him; and like everyone else, a strong feeling of wanting to help and help protect him. (I'm much more scared of the human with the gun than the aliens with the spaceship, b/c I'm CERTAIN he's dangerous.)

3. Given that, as individuals, anyone helping him speak out is also in danger, and that there is safety in numbers, and visibility, I wonder if OMF itself might not want to take this on--somehow--as project of ALL of us, of the Forum. And then we could speak with a single yet collective voice-- e.g., write articles, issue press releases, etc.--as the Forum, about this project, and generate public support for this project, whatever it ends up being. And i realize that, at the moment, those of us NOT there don't yet know what all "this project" should be; and those on the ground out there are just having to feel things out, and take what actions seems appropriate, as they go along.

But one thing for everyone interested to consider, I think, is whether/how we might approach this as a membership Forum, not simply as individuals. I'm not thinking of this at the moment as a research issue. I'm just thinking about this as a witness support issue, that--in whatever form it takes--OMF might somehow sponsor/spearhead/publicize/raise funds for/whatever we think is best for us to take on, as as a witness support effort.

This has benefits for OMF--it speaks to what OMF is and wants to be, I think, and--more to the immediate point, of course--it helps protect verum, rick, ontos, the reporter, whoever else is attracting notice out there by trying to help RS--and it helps protect RS, if we are successful at drawing or helping to draw MAJOR attention to this case. And from a news perspective, it certainly seems to have all the needed elements.

Thinking out loud about needs brought to mind the idea (which would have to be organized locally) organizing a round the clock citizens patrol of his property--that'd get some press, i bet. Especially if a few local constables, business leaders, pilots--not to mention witnesses--were among the volunteers.

Other ways we might be able to help: working to secure legal representation for RS (which, as someone suggested, some legal firm or organization might really WANT as a pro bono high visibility case--maybe the ACLU); reaching out to coordinate with other orgs to create a coalition to support this guy, with a website about this that then helped others in his situation, too--which has also been mentioned.

Anyway, just sharing my thoughts, after catching up with the news. Will be looking forward to the next installment, and finding out how we might best be able to help, whether as individuals, or otherwise.

Good luck, Ground Crew. You are awesome.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 6, 2008, 5:00pm

Report on the Ricky Sorrells Fund: It didn’t work out the way I expected.

Angelia Joiner directed me to the First Financial Bank of Stephenville. Dereese Howell and I agreed to set up a fund to be owned by, and benefit Mr Sorrells. All Mr Sorrells had to do was go to the bank and sign some papers. Ms Howell would then contact me, and I would then seed the fund and let OM members know how to contribute, should they choose to do so. The plan had one small flaw. Mr Sorrells didn’t want to take the money.

All of you who would turn down free money, raise your hands.

Instead, Mr Sorrells asked me to visit him. That required six hours travel time and a four hour visit with Mr Sorrells. I expected to hear first hand what was happening in the Stephenville area. I got that and more. More importantly, I got a lesson in rural wisdom.

Near the end of our conversation, Mr Sorrells asked me to do him a favor. It took me a while to understand what he was asking. He asked me to post on OM and tell the members what I thought of him. What?

OK Mr Sorrells and OMies, here it is: Mr Sorrells is a proud, humble, independent man who is very connected to his environment, family and friends. He lives his life on his own terms and is happy with who he is and what he does.

There’s a rural wisdom that is easy to underestimate. It’s not unique to Texas, and it’s a value set that often gets lost in a crowd. There’s much to be said for dealing with someone face to face, understanding their values, and arriving at a meeting of the minds based on mutual respect. That’s what Mr Sorrells does and that’s why the entire circus that descended on Stephenville missed important parts of the larger story.

Mr Sorrells saw what he’s described. You know that after you spend time with him. Mr Sorrells does not have the answers. He’s like the rest of us, except he has reasons to look a little harder. Those strange events continue sporadically. He was harassed. He suggested that the lines of research here continue. He is impressed with OM and its members. Go figure.

In a circular fashion, I’ll end this where motorcyclerick started. How can we help Mr Sorrells? He’s undecided about participation in the fund. I encouraged him to do so, but I respect his decision, whatever that is. We can help by doing what we already do - try to find the answers. That’s what Mr Sorrells said to me over and over. I just want to find the truth.

Pre edit edit: I’m a little tired, so I’m not going to edit. Just forgive any grammar or typos.

edit anyway

to clarify the last sentence. That's Mr Sorrells motivation.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 6, 2008, 5:15pm

Kudos to you Ontos. I'd like to nominate you for Medal of Initiative Award status.

Sorrells sounds to me like a pillar of virtue. I'm humbled. I think he made a wise decision. Go over to ATS and read some of the comments on their Sorrells thread. The hoax hunters are already in full force over there trying to cast doubt on Mr Sorrells' character. If he would have accepted our donations can you imagine what they would be saying?

But how is he about setting up cameras, phone taps and recorders to get a record of the harassment? Has he considered taking on legal counsel? Where will he go from here?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 6, 2008, 6:38pm

Numbers, your nomination is hereby seconded!

Ontos, that was above and beyond the call of duty. 8-)

Kudos!

Ricky, if you're reading this - PLEASE DO join us here - or at least contact me - and I can assure you that you will be met with the utmost respect and dignity.

We have a very good record of protecting our witnesses, indeed, we are sometimes criticised for maintaining the confidentiality they ask. ') Never the less, we do indeed give them every support they deserve.

I'd like to think that whoever has been intimidating Mr Sorrells can be brought to justice. Whoever is doing that to him is almost certainly NOT a govt employee acting in an official capacity. No one is above the law - and even if this is a 'rogue' employee then they are acting in a 'counter-productive' manner

- They are not achieving anything other than more publicity for the case. Unless... that is what they want to acheive...

Either way, Mr Sorrells, do contact us - 'United We Stand' , and all that...

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 6, 2008, 6:54pm

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Numbers, your nomination is hereby seconded!

Ontos, that was above and beyond the call of duty. 8-)

Kudos!

Outstanding Nomination!

Great Job Ontos, and Congratulations

Speech....Speech!

When you wake up that is

===========================================

Seems like there might have been more than one type of craft

http://www.kiiitv.com/news/15295861.html

http://www.kiiitv.com/home/15312041.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 6, 2008, 9:48pm

Dang! Shiny Stars! It don't get no better than this.

Thank you gentlemen, that's the second time recently that I've been humbled.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Feb 7, 2008, 12:21am

As 2008 began, we said that this would be a very interesting and in some ways startling year, there are those now living in Texas that believe we could be right. "Watch the skies" the show is just beginning.
IC

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 7, 2008, 12:41am

Hello everyone,
I'm new to this so be patient with me.
I was so impressed with the willingness to help R. Sorrells that I wanted to join your group.
I can tell you, I've spent a lot of time with this man, in person and on the phone, and I believe every word he's spoken. He came to visit me at the office at least two weeks before I did the stories about him. He wasn't interested in doing a story at that time because he felt he'd really been burned by the Associated Press. He wasn't wise in the ways of the media but that's another story.
He came to warn me. He felt I might be in danger and though we had never met or spoken before, he wanted me to tell me to be careful. (The AP story was the only interview he did until I ran the stories this past weekend.) After speaking with Constable Gaiten he felt comfortable approaching me even though I was "the press." In this line of work, I have become fairly friendly with law enforcement so the constable told him I could be trusted and he wanted me to be warned, also.
Then he was afraid for his family, not himself. After a while he got past the fear and got angry. That is when he was ready to do the stories. He does really want the "truth" and feels the government should help, not hinder, efforts to find out what it is that keeps coming to his property. These sightings challenged his belief system-- it has rocked his world -- he won't ever be the same and he knows that.
Steve Allen is much the same way, but he is a man of means whereas Ricky is not.
His home is simple with concrete floors and barn tin and it is a rustic, small building. He built it and he's very proud of it and his family just moved in recently.
His world is his family, he's soft spoken, and he wants to put them at ease. It seems that all were frightened and he had not told them of everything until I did the stories. As an example, he didn't tell them of the man at 1 a.m. that he is sure wanted him to see that he could get to them.
There are still parts that he did not wish me to print and I honored his wishes. Part of his income is his livestock and the low altitude air traffic was about to run them to death. All of that has slowed somewhat and the cattle are better.
Allen has resources (he's a savvy businessman) to help him deal with the situation.
Sorrells has his family and friends and they are supporting him.
He has taken some heat from his employer, a nationally known corporate business, that is not sure they like someone in the business associated with something like this. That is why I didn't print anything about where or who he works for. He got called to the "big office" and that' s all I'll say about that.
While I truly appreciated the concern for me I told him nobody with the military would contact me because they know I would write about it.
And, they haven't contacted me. I also told him that I thought the more press he got the better off he would be because if anything happened to him fingers would be pointed in the right direction. "They" wouldn't want that. He's a lot calmer now and is taking all of this in stride. It's a lot of attention for those of us not used to being in the "lime light."
Here's to your fine group, and thank you for supporting Sorrells. I think that means more to him than anything else.
Just knowing someone cares and believes is worth more than money can buy.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 7, 2008, 1:14am

wow, Thank you soo much for joining us here Ms. Joiner.

Tis a great pleasure indeed to have you here, and thank you so much for the work you have been doing!
We have been following it with great intent I assure you.
and the fact that such nice humble people feel confidence in you speaks alot as well.
Im not so sure where some of these good people would be if you were not there to be by their side and listen to them.
Thank you for that as well.

From this side of cyperspace.. Im not to positive as to what I can do to help in all of this.. but if there is anything that one can think of,
Please do ask, a dn Ill go as far as I can to help whomever I can.
same goes with the rest of us here Im sure.
Just ask and you will be given, one way or another.

Great writing and I give many Praises to you A.J.
Thanks for coming to OMF.
Blessings Love n light to you and all involved.
Andrew

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nic654 on Feb 7, 2008, 1:22am

Mr. Sorrells, saw exactly what he described. The gentleman might take comfort from this. Oh, BTW and he saw it exactly on time.
Be seeing you in time.
IC

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 7, 2008, 1:27am

I hope so, mate!

intrigueing lil bugger you are IC..
lol

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 1:57am

Ms. Joiner,

Thank-you so much for sharing with us.

Please convey to Mr. Sorrells how much we admire his courage and honesty.
If there were more like him, I am sure this world would be a better place.

Has Mr. sorrells seen any of the video's that have been taken during the last month in TX?

Has he communicated with the other witnesses?

At least from my far away perspective, there seems to be multiple sightings of different crafts.

Was Bush at his ranch at all during any of the sightings?

Sorry for all the questions and it is an honor to have you with us.

Great work on your reporting.

And don't forget to pass along to Mr. Sorrells how proud we are of him.
He is a Hero in our book.

Andy

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sexymon on Feb 7, 2008, 2:16am

Hats off from me, too, AJ. It's very pleasing for us here, especially me, to see the media involved in a positive way. Masive kudos for exposing the military side of the story to the public. It reminds me of the Project Camelot creed.....

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We shall prevail.

Being of sound mind, heart and spirit, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of our truths, our ideas, our freedoms, or our work.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out... no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom is dangerous; together we will find the courage necessary to overcome daunting threats and obstacles.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression... that we shall prevail.

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The hastlers need to be exposed. After all, if he didn't see what he saw, what are they worried about? They could just make him out to be a kook like they do everyone else.

HE KNOWS SOMETHING AND HE WANTS OTHERS TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

I say we give her stars too, mods. What do you say? 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 2:29am

Quote:

Numbers, your nomination is hereby seconded!

Ontos, that was above and beyond the call of duty. 8-)

- They are not achieving anything other than more publicity for the case. Unless... that is what they want to acheive...

Either way, Mr Sorrells, do contact us - 'United We Stand' , and all that...

Bren: Amen. (This just demonstrates why you command the high salary you do. LOL

)

Ontos: congratulations. That medal looks real nice on you!

And Mr. Sorrells, just want you to know that the judgment of your character which I made, while listening to and reading your interviews with LMH, has only deepened with everything you have done and said since. I think you are a person of integrity and courage. I am honored by YOUR assessment of US.

I hope we can be of help in finding out the truth, and just with dealing with all of this (whatever "all of this" turns out to mean). Many of us are here because we've seen things that the government and media have been pretending don't exist.

You'll note that many of us argue a lot about what exactly these things are, and what it all means, but I think most of us realize that we all probably THINK we know a little more than we actually do! I hope you'll join us.

And welcome to any other new members and visitors from Erath County. Hope you'll join us, too!!!

(btw, what th' heck is in the WATER out there, anyway?!?

)

Edit to add:

Angelia!!! So glad to see you're here. Thought your articles were great.

Another edit to add: I second sexymon! Stars for Angelia!!! 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ivo5000 on Feb 7, 2008, 2:56am

Angelia,

We are extremely pleased you decided to join us here at Open Minds!

We certainly will do everything in our power to help you and Ricky Sorrels get the story out concerning the amazing sightings from the Erath County area. We are also very pleased of course to have 'verum' and 'ontos' with us too - blazing the trail for you and others from that area of Texas.

Please do invite others to join us here to tell their stories. As Suzanne pointed out earlier, sometimes it is best to as far out in the open as is possible in order to protect yourself.

We all look forward to hearing more!

Chris

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 7, 2008, 3:17am

If I can throw something out here without getting jumped on.
First, I have high regard for Mr. Sorrell's coming forward. I respect his testimony and probably agree with his beliefs. I hold high credibility for his account.
But, everyone is jumping on our military because of what he is seeing. It may not be the military/ intel and I say may.
First, it would be dumb for the military to do what this appears to indicate. If the craft is alien, one would think the military might be watching his place for a reappearance of the craft instead of harassing him. Secondly, this is not common practice in spite of what might be thought of our government here and it is very dumb to expose themselves in this manner. It will just make matters worse for them.
If we have this so called treaty with ?? , why would our military agree to let them fly above Ricky's farm in the daylight in violation of the treaty if it bothered them enough to harass him and what would that make them think of the treaty?
Thirdly, if it is one of ours, again the military wouldn't hover over a guys farm in flyovercountry near populated areas. They won't even do that with B-1s, F-22s or B-2 Stealth bombers which would be much less capable than this craft appears to be.
To my point. So called MIBs and military personnel have harrassed people before in various high strange ways as I wrote earlier and then just disappeared with no record for many years. Same way with harrassing black helicopters.
These could be transhumans and screens. It's done a lot all over the world. Read my account of the farmer who thought he saw helicopters, just for one small case.
I'm not saying that the military could not possibly do this, but that it just doesn't make sense to me.
This business is replete with screens. Like the woman that saw a raccoon on a second story window in Queens staring at her or the woman that was abducted from a crowded airport terminal without anyone else seeing her. Screens have been shown to represent most anything, including military.
I don't want to suggest that Mr. Sorrell's should try a hypnotic regression as yet, but if he were to, I wonder what he might see then?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by verum on Feb 7, 2008, 3:48am

Angelia-I am glad you made it here. I'll talk to you soon.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 3:58am

Your post gives me the chills Eth....I had not thought of that.

I think I would rather have it be the military involved, than the scenario you describe.

Yours takes it to a whole different level.

Thanks for sharing those thoughts.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 7, 2008, 4:02am

Welcome to OM Ms Joiner. We are honored to have you here. You’ve been my inspiration in this. I’d gladly donate my stars to you.

Eth – good questions, all. The flyovers continue – at a lower rate and a higher altitude.

Here’s a “tell” for you mur: I watched Mr Sorrells get goose bumps on his arms several times while talking about certain things.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 4:26am

Quote:

Welcome to OM Ms Joiner. We are honored to have you here. You’ve been my inspiration in this. I’d gladly donate my stars to you.

Eth – good questions, all. The flyovers continue – at a lower rate and a higher altitude.

Here’s a “tell” for you mur: I watched Mr Sorrells get goose bumps on his arms several times while talking about certain things.

Incredible.

I would really like to see a video interview with Mr. Sorrell some day if he would consent.

(Hint)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ivo5000 on Feb 7, 2008, 4:48am

I would like to welcome Mr. Ricky Sorrells to the Open Minds Forum!

As many of you know by now, Ricky experienced perhaps the closest view of the huge object spotted over Erath County as it silently flew extremely close to his position in a deer stand on his property.

We all look forward to hearing your story directly from you.

Let us know if there is anything we can do for you!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by platinumlurker on Feb 7, 2008, 5:00am

For real Ivo?? Great news for OM!! Indeed a great big welcome Mr. Sorrells.....your story is incredible!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Feb 7, 2008, 5:12am

Nice.

Ms Joiner I also say welcome!!!

I would like to know if this whole situation has challenged your belief system? This is not an easy question but your right in the middle of it.

BTW You have done an extraordinary job of covering this story!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ivo5000 on Feb 7, 2008, 5:12am

Quote:

For real Ivo?? Great news for OM!! Indeed a great big welcome Mr. Sorrells.....your story is incredible!!

For real!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 5:15am

ontos, about those "goose bumps": where i come from, they are known as Truth Bumps.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 5:17am

Thank you for coming here Angelia. Your reporting has been a pleasure to read. And your good heart is quite evident.

A word for Ricky Sorrels . . .

The military have stopped killing people who come forward to provide witness. That was the by-gone days.

I have had the pleasure of a few communications with this man He's had his NASA pension canceled for coming forward and has been suing for a few years to have it reinstated, but there is no threat of physical harm. This man knows. He was in senior management of NASA for many years. He is and was a personal friend of all the Apollo Astronauts. He was also a Space Shuttle Astronaut. His testimony can provide more potential damage then a common citizen who speaks about a UFO he saw in the sky.

Ricky, don't worry yourself too much.

I also have had the pleasure of 2 year on-going (almost daily) communications with this man. He is an associate of many high level insiders (also known as part of the "Aviary"), retired Captain & Physicist of the USAF. In his book he alleges that the death of the late CIA Director, Richard Helms, was a murder, due to his desire to release UFO knowledge to the general public. He has further published many secrete government files in his book and on the web. He has Not lost his pension and fears no physical harm. Yet his book reveals a part of the structure of how the secret government cover up UFO reportings. There is also a chapter in that book written by a person who was once tasked as a disinformation agent for the US Airforce Office of Special Investigations AFOSI, sort of a real MIB, whom we also know.(BTW, A must read for you Angelia. Send me a PM and I'll give you his email address, he'll sign a copy of his book for you.)

So Ricky, don't worry yourself too much.

I could go on here writing about dozens more who are also talking about things they know, that no longer have any worry of physical harm from the military. As I say, that was a by-gone day.

We have many members on this forum who have experienced real sightings, from all walks of life. Including ex-military and professionals, like a ex-president of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. They have been forthright in telling their stories.

In fact one of the new members on this forum "verum" is the great grandson of the rancher who owned the Foster Ranch where one of the 1947 UFO crashes at Roswell took place.

Ricky, I do not pretend to understand what you are feeling. I can not say there is no need to worry either. Merely that all evidence in Ufology today clearly points to the fact that the military stopped bodily harm long ago. Threats maybe - but it's just words, the follow through has ended.

We also have a man on this forum who has his own board - Dan Smith. He has posted many many private communications with high ranking Intelligence Officers who have higher clearance levels then the President of the USA.

And one of our Admins has spoken to the man who oversees UFO phenomena for the CIA & the Director of National Intelligence. The prelude to that conversation can be read here. And Ivo5000's call notes are posted immediately following.

Suffice to say, you are in good hands with Open Minds Forum.

I hope that this post might provide some comfort to you, while also informing our audience a bit more of what this forum is all about.

Ricky, don't worry yourself too much. And by the way, my name is Ricky too.

Cheers and God bless,

Jake Reason/
Ricky Palmer Davis
Canada

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 5:19am

I spent the day at RS' home (he went for 2 loads of hay) and I watched the sky for about 4 hours, from 3:45pm until 7:45pm or so. I saw nothing unusual, and when R returned home and asked if I had, he seemed genuinely disappointed and confused that I had not, and invited me back.
Make no mistake, I play a lot of poker, and I am a solid player, and this man wouldn't even know HOW to tell a lie, in my opinion. We met in person for the first time today, and he welcomed me into his home, and treated me as if we had been friends for years.
In answer to someone's question, yes, he made drawings, and gave them to LMH and she posted them on her website.
He also told me that he would be joining the forum soon, but remember that he has livestock, dogs, and a family and he is new to computers, so it may be a while before he posts, and maybe not so often.
He saw exactly what he said he saw. There is no doubt about that in my mind.
Ontos- I forgot to get the note you left for me, sorry.

AJoiner- hey again

glad you have joined, and I look forward to your posts.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 7, 2008, 5:35am

erm, thats "ontos". And I meant every word in that note rick.

ooops, saw the edit. thanks

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 7, 2008, 5:38am

Thank you all for the warm welcome.
I just got home from dinner with the National Research Director of MUFON so it has been a long day. MUFON is still trying to gather information and some of the main witnesses did not attend the meeting in Dublin recently. So that was what all that was about tonight. Sleep well everyone. I'm turning in.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 5:40am

Quote:

erm, thats "ontos". And I meant every word in that note rick.

ooops, saw the edit. thanks

I'm embarrassed to admit that in my excitement to be talking to RS, and the fact that he was so pressed for time, I forgot to ask him for the note, so I didn't even read it, nor did I see it :-/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 5:51am

Oh, I would also like to add this-
I showed RS the all of the 'Isaac drone' pictures, and though he said what he saw was nothing like those drone pix, he was fascinated with them

Also, I am sending him a link to the video the lady took in Louisiana near Arkansas on Jan. 8th, after the Stephenville sightings, to see if it is similar to what he saw.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 7, 2008, 5:51am

Quote:

Quote:

erm, thats "ontos". And I meant every word in that note rick.

ooops, saw the edit. thanks

I'm embarrassed to admit that in my excitement to be talking to RS, and the fact that he was so pressed for time, I forgot to ask him for the note, so I didn't even read it, nor did I see it :-/

Yeah. I know the feeling. He is quite an impressive guy.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 7, 2008, 8:29am

Ms. Joiner. Nice to have you on here. Appreciate your courage in reporting this story so in detail. Unfortunately, you are rare, as you know. Most reporters can't get past the giggle factor or else avoid the subject altogether.
It might be loosening more now, but the lid has been on pretty tight since the early 50s even though there was a bunch of stories out there. Most reporters have been reluctant to put it on the line.
I empathize with Ricky and what he has been going through. Glad he is reaching out for support.
Etherian

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by tychoma on Feb 7, 2008, 11:44am

Exciting times

I'd like to extend a huge thankyou to R. Sorrels, Ms. Joiner, and all of our members who are devoting their personal time to this investigation. With a tripod of support, this story ain't disappearing any time soon.

P.s. Eth, can you explain this 'screen' thing to me? I'm a little confused as to what it is you're alluding to. If you want to PM me so as to not distract from the run of the thread, that's cool. Thanks

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by raska on Feb 7, 2008, 2:25pm

To Ricky Sorrells,
I welcome you wholeheartedly!
Like many here, i've been impressed with the events you witnessed, and specially impressed by the way you responded to everything that followed. Reading Angelia Joiner's articles about your story created surges of empathy and strong wishes to support you among the members here.Thank you for joining us

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by raska on Feb 7, 2008, 2:37pm

To Angelia Joiners,
I welcome you, and congratulate you for getting the story out.On looking back on your work, we all can see the lengths of what an honest piece of writing can achieve. Thank you so much.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 7, 2008, 3:20pm

Tychoma. I'll be out for a few hours. I'll do that with some detail when I get back in.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 4:24pm

RS showed me where he saw the 'craft' from beneath, I estimated the area to be more than a mile wide, and as he said he did not look behind him to see an edge, that area covered more than a mile. Therefore, he could not discern any shape whatsoever.
The shapes, or 'tubes' as RS refers to them as being, went up into the 'craft' and did NOT protrude downward. I also asked him if it created shade from the daylight, he said that it did not. His attention was focused (just moments before seeing it) on being quiet as to no scare any deer off that might potentially be feeding to his immediate west, the sun was about to set and he said that his feet had just snagged on some briars (mine did also as he explained how his had that evening) and he thought that he had made too much noise regaining his balance when "Something made me look up, and there it was."

I would also like to add that he has seen this thing many times, and has video on his cell phone (8 minutes 30 seconds) of it from a distance that I would estimate between 7 and 12 miles away.
Also (and this is very interesting) there is a video (according to a source) in existence of a deer feeder survielence cam that caught something VERY strange. I do not wish to elaborate on it as it is not my place to do so, nor have I actually seen the video, but from what was described to me to be on the video...it might be the single most amazing video to date of a UFO. The owner(s) of the video are not yet certain of what they should do with it, who to trust with it. Any further information will have to come from the owner of the video, who I hope will make the video available to us before submitting it to some other entity that might 'misplace' it.
There is so much more to this story than what has been made public so far, and the people who are in possession of the evidence want to decide for themselves what to do next.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 4:59pm

Hi Rick,

Did you get a look at the cell phone video? Has Mr Sorrells saved the video to his computer and burned it to a CD yet? If not, he needs to take steps to protect his video. Who knows what could happen to the cell phone.

As Angelia stated, the safest thing to do is to stay in the public eye. The witnesses should get their evidence to the public as soon as possible to avoid becoming targets.

It would be great if you could work with Sorrells and the other witnesses to get their pics and videos quickly on a public share so all of us can copy them before something happens. After that they would be safe.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 5:25pm

Quote:

Hi Rick,

Did you get a look at the cell phone video? Has Mr Sorrells saved the video to his computer and burned it to a CD yet? If not, he needs to take steps to protect his video. Who knows what could happen to the cell phone.

As Angelia stated, the safest thing to do is to stay in the public eye. The witnesses should get their evidence to the public as soon as possible to avoid becoming targets.

It would be great if you could work with Sorrells and the other witnesses to get their pics and videos quickly on a public share so all of us can copy them before something happens. After that they would be safe.

Sorrells has the situation well handled, I assure you. Th video is on computer, and I am asking that it be sent to me so I might try to share it.
Yes, I saw it, but as it was so small and my eyes are not what they once were, I only watched approximately 2 minutes of it.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 7, 2008, 5:26pm

Welcome Mr Sorrells!

Welcome Angelia!

8-)

You will be made most welcome here - do take a look around, but please do not be shy about joining in the discussion.

Angelia, from what you told me in email, there have been some major developments regarding you and the the newspaper publisher. The readers here would value your sharing these latest developments - although I realise that some of this is personal to you.

The developments are in line with what has happened before in UFOlogy - people here will confirm that. It is one of the reasons why many people suspect a 'cover up' of the UFO phenomena in general.

Once again, thanks to you both for joining 'like minds' here - you are among friends! 8-)

Bren - Admin.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 5:35pm

Oh oh

,

I guess I'm going out on a limb, Admin. Can I throw a little speculation out? Is it that the publisher is now pressuring Angelia to tone it down? I wonder who's pressuring the publisher? Excuse me for bringing it up but if it's true then doesn't it sound a little familiar... like Ty's biking buddy?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 7, 2008, 5:38pm

I hope to give you more detail very soon - even better, hopefully Angelia will find time to give you the update herself.

Have patience 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by lightwaveryder on Feb 7, 2008, 6:31pm

I don't like to 'quote' posts, it makes it hard to follow at times.

whomever was the poster who said this might not be the government....i would say that was a good point but its more or less the same thing.

people have been hinting around for years about a secret government , or seperate arm of our existing government. Since the one spawned the other, there is no use seperating them, our government is engaged in a prolonged campaign of psy-ops, coverup and many many financial crimes against it's citizens, umbrella'd by the blanket of 'we know whats best for you'. I would say the intent, back in the 40's was probably for the best, but at this point, we are as much their subjects as they were once ours. They (this either government or secret non government) will stop at nothing to prevent the secret getting out.

The best weapon for defense for Mr Sorrells, is publicity. That will make his case high profile, and that is what they fear the most, a high profile incident that would lead the little legitimate people's government agencies to a 'bloody glove' type piece of evidence that might tear the whole thing down.

The best defense is a good offense, and I think with everyone's help here, and the others involved, we have a good offense.

sorry to sound alarmist.....it's an alarming world !

~lwr~

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 6:41pm

I agree LWR,

It's true the phone caller and the night visitor may not be from the gov (but they probably are) but F-16s and large transport helicopters are! Somebody is commanding those aircraft to harass Sorrells.

Quote:

“I actually got up and looked out my window to see if I could see someone at the cattle guard. So I said if he was who he said he was, why didn’t he stop flying over my air space with all those helicopters,” Sorrells said. “And he informed me that it was not my air space — it was his. He told me if I’d quit talking about what I saw he would stop the helicopters.”

Sorrells said since that conversation, the helicopters have quit flying over his property but the F-16s haven’t slowed.

Before the conversation took place with the suspected military officer Sorrells related a late night experience with a large transport helicopter and three smaller helicopters.

“I get up at 2:30 a.m. to go to work and these helicopters kept flying over and I couldn’t sleep,” Sorrells said. “Because it was about time to get up and go to work, I just got up and went outside to see what I could.”

Sorrells said he has a spotlight on his pickup that he uses to look for coyotes.

“I went to my truck and turned on the spotlight and shined it up at them,” Sorrells said. “It was so close, I could see the pilot’s reaction. He threw up his arm to block the light. He was in one of the smaller helicopters.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 6:45pm

I invite you all to listen to the short recording of the late US President John F Kennedy.

It was inserted into an interview we did with Project Camelot.

His 2 minute speech is inserted at the beginning of the interview. To listen, go to the top of the opening Main page of OM and click the grey colored CD Player.

Should you wish to download this. Here is my ensips link. The file name is "Nov 18-07 Project Camelot". Feel free to browse through other recorded interviews.

Best to all,
Jake

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 6:59pm

Quote:

I hope to give you more detail very soon - even better, hopefully Angelia will find time to give you the update herself.

Have patience 8-)

BTW, you can send a note of support for Sorrells and Angelia to the Empire Tribune. They posted my note. Let's launch a campaign!

http://www.empiretribune.com/guestbook/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 7, 2008, 7:03pm

Angelia has given me permission to let you know what's been going on with her / the newspaper etc,.

This latest development is just awful - and stinks of what is usually used to 'cover-up' UFO phenomena in the MS media - that stench goes right back to Roswell >:(

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"I think my readers would find a lot more of this sort of story interesting but my newspaper doesn't want any more stories. My boss feels it's time to move on. A city councilman here talked to the Star-Telegram and said the whole thing was an embarrassment to the town (or something to that effect.)

It has been a tough decision but I gave my two weeks notice last Thursday and my last day will be Feb. 14.

At that time, I will be unemployed so I probably will substitute teach for a while.[...]

I joined your group because I was so impressed with how nice the men were to offer to help Ricky Sorrells. I don't know how that went yesterday but I could see they were sincerely concerned about him and his situation. That was impressive and I like people that care about others.

[...] I don't want to say anything bad about the newspaper. They are just not interested any more. But it was a record sales month in the history of the E-T for JAN. so I feel good about that.

It's funny how one day I was sitting on top of a huge global story and practically the next I'm looking for a job.

Life...it's full of surprises. And, I think that's a good thing. Here's hoping there is something better around the corner.

Thanks for writing and congratulations on a very well maintained forum."

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2nd update:

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"I gave two weeks notice but this morning they had confiscated my computer and I was told to pack up and get out. I'm devastated and still in shock.

I was trying to direct people away from talking to me about UFOs and other information during work hours and I had forwarded emails to my home computer so I would not be dealing with that on newspaper time. But, apparently that wasn't the right thing to do either.

I've just been between a rock and a hard spot if you know what I mean.

The publisher said she didn't want me to leave with ill feelings toward the newspaper and I'm trying not to.

I'm grateful for the opportunity the newspaper gave me in employing me as a writer. I have only been writing for them 18 months and I've learned a lot but I still have a lot more to learn."

- Angelia Joiner - email to Admin / Bren Burton

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 7:13pm

This is terrible news

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 7:24pm

Oh my . . . this is awful. I'm very sorry to hear this Angelia.

I guess this means, what took place in Erath County, Texas was and is very real, and of great importance.

Yes Bren, this has been going on for a very long time - since 1947. The Radio station owner who first broadcast the story of a crashed disk in Roswell, was told the next day to retract. And later privately revealed that he was told do so, or have his broadcast license suspended.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 7:28pm

This is a travesty of the worst kind. The 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees the freedom of the press. I think Angelia has legal recourse. I hope this latest turn of events makes it to the national media but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 7:30pm

Maybe one of the TV station that have been running these stories, need to be made aware of this.

This is not right

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 7:37pm

I am so sorry, Angelia. You are a first-rate investigative reporter and news writer. (If it's any consolation, I'm adjunct teaching and job hunting, too.

) suzanne

Edit to add: thanks to link posted by numbers, will definitely express my opinion to the Stephenville Empire-Tribune, and hope others will, as well: http://www.empiretribune.com/guestbook/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by platinumlurker on Feb 7, 2008, 7:38pm

Hey lets face it......Angelia wrote some incredible stories that received alot of good press. Maybe there is a silver lining behind the dark clouds of injustice! Her work has shown her talents...maybe some real newspaper will offer her a better position....or perhaps we have a new LMH type investigator in the making!!

BTW is either of the new UFO Hunters TV shows down in that neck of the woods investigating this event?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 7:38pm

btw, has anyone posted a link to this update w/video, from LMH's site?:

"February 6, 2008 - Part 1: Mysterious Symbols Projected in Night Sky
by Aerial Disc Near Stephenville, Texas, Local Airport"

http://www.earthfiles.com/index.php?category=Headline+News

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 8:42pm

Quote:

I am so sorry, Angelia. You are a first-rate investigative reporter and news writer. (If it's any consolation, I'm adjunct teaching and job hunting, too.

) suzanne

Edit to add: thanks to link posted by numbers, will definitely express my opinion to the Stephenville Empire-Tribune, and hope others will, as well: http://www.empiretribune.com/guestbook/

Read the disclaimer about 'filtering content', they will not print any of our comments, I am betting. The Empire-Tribune is a disgrace to free press, and I will no longer read anything they publish.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 8:56pm

Don't blame you, moto. hey, you're out there--do you know the company that owns the paper, and is doing the pressuring? Is the publisher local too? How bout who owns them? ( like around here, most of the "little local papers" are actually published by a big publisher, the Journal Newspapers. Never researched who owns them, tho--maybe some even larger corp.) Publishers want to make money. Unless they are getting some greater benefit, or responding to some benefit-canceling DANGER, by killing a money-making story. So who doesn't care whether this local paper's circulation is WAY UP when it covers UFO stories, as much as it cares to keep these stories out of the paper??

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 9:04pm

"The Stephenville Empire-Tribune is a mid-morning paper published six days a week by Erath Publishers, Inc., a Consolidated Southwest Media company which is owned by American Consolidated Media.

The Empire-Tribune is a member of the Associated Press, Texas Press Association, West Texas Press Association and the Inland Press Association.

The newspaper is located at:
590 S. Loop in Stephenville, Texas
Mailing address: P.O. Box 958, Stephenville, Texas 76401
Phone: 254-965-3124 Fax: 254-965-4269"

http://www.empiretribune.com/about_us/

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The publisher and/or local employees and management of the Newspaper may not have the authority to decide what stories they can or can not report.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 9:16pm

The TOP STORIES for today are;

"Crime on the Decline"
"Volunteers make a difference for Dublin students"
"Catfish for a cause - K of C fish fry scheduled"

http://www.empiretribune.com/

------------------------------------------------------

"Mile wide UFO spotted" & "Airforce Jets & Helicopters conducting exercises", didn't make the list. ::)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 7, 2008, 9:23pm

Catfish for a cause???

Hopefully it is a really good cause.

Something smells fishy

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 7, 2008, 9:26pm

I know, right?

More and more, "local" publishers and radio/tv stations are owned by the same handful of major media players, who are calling the shots.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by greatwaller on Feb 7, 2008, 9:26pm

Hi folks,

I find the U.S. Airforce continuous harassment of Mr. Ricky Sorrells most condemnable, despicable and high-handed...tantamount to being a law unto itself.

The Air Force is using most appalling tricks and threats in trying to stop Sorrells from telling the truth of his first hand eye witness account of a very huge UFO that he had seen.

To add insult to injury, constant flying military helicopters and combat aircrafts above Sorrells not only frighten his cattle but a glaring example of invasion of above the air space privacy.

Having read the below news about Sorrels' trama at the hands of the despicable U.S. Air Force, I'm as angry as hell too, and who wouldn't when the power that be stopped so low to harrass a decent tax payer...!

Ref: http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/02/03/news/news02.txt

Greatwaller

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 10:11pm

I am sure that all of the questions regarding the newspaper and Ms. Joiner's employment (or termination thereof) would best be responded to by her, which I am sure she will.
The time I spent on RS' property yesterday was uneventful, at least where the sky is concerned. After reading about the deer disapearing (which i was told about yesterday) and the orb entering into the cameras, I feel as if these 'orbs, crafts, UFOs, lights' or whatever else we want to call them may indeed be living intelligent organisms, and the 'orb in the camera' story is part of what makes me say this. It seems that the 'orb' was curious, wanted to see what this thing was, and simply had a look inside. If I understand correctly, no damage was done to the camera? And the deer disappearing... well, to that I will only say this- how do we know the deer was harmed? how do we know it wasnt brought back somewhere after having been examined? Whatever the case may be, I am CERTAIN that whatever happened to the deer could be no less brutal an end than it might have suffered here if a hunter had seen it.
Someone recently made the point that we do not know if these phenom are harmful or not, but we DO know that the entities behind the attempt to silence the witnesses are. please keep that in mind.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 10:21pm

It seems reasonable to assume that an orb or probe or whatever it was, would have known there was a localized energy source (hidden camera) monitoring the area.

Which leads to another reasonable assumption - it purposely allowed itself to be captured on camera.

Just some thots.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 7, 2008, 10:47pm

Quote:

It seems reasonable to assume that an orb or probe or whatever it was, would have known there was a localized energy source (hidden camera) monitoring the area.

Which leads to another reasonable assumption - it purposely allowed itself to be captured on camera.

Just some thots.

It's cooler than that Jake. It figures out the camera.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 7, 2008, 10:48pm

hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 7, 2008, 10:50pm

Quote:

hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Welcome to OM Mr Sorrells!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 7, 2008, 10:51pm

And y'all welcome.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with everyone. Real pleasure to have you here.

Take your time, don't feel rushed. And be yourself.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Feb 7, 2008, 10:59pm

Quote:

hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Welcome to the Forum, Mr Sorrels. Anything I can do to help, any questions, anything at all, feel free to contact me by clicking the little icons under my avatar to the left of this post. One is email and the other is a PM. You can then email me or send me a private message via this forum. Again welcome to the Open Minds Forum. We are glad to have you here!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 7, 2008, 11:01pm

thank you ontos and jake reason i probably wont have a chance to talk or see the forum again untill monday afternoon but i will try to

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by frootloop on Feb 7, 2008, 11:06pm

Hi Mr Sorells,

Welcome to the forum!

Andy

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 7, 2008, 11:14pm

Hello Mr Sorrells,

I'm so glad you are here! You have many friends here at OMF. I'm sure you know we have been following your situation as closely as possible. Has the night time air force harassment stopped yet? Were you able to get a record of any of it like on a video camcorder? What are you planning to do next? Thanks.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 7, 2008, 11:35pm

Quote:

hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Hey Rick, glad you made it...did you get my email?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zaggan on Feb 7, 2008, 11:58pm

Glad to see you on, Mr. Sorrells. You are among kindred spirits here.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by spinningshields on Feb 8, 2008, 12:38am

We are all so glad to hear from you directly, Ricky Sorrells! Thanks for your nice compliment.

We'll look forward to your getting back to us as soon as you can.

edit: i see the Coast to Coast site has the link to Angelia's article, about your being harassed, under their hot stories:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

but then i imagine AJ's articles are appearing in newspapers and on web sites all over the world.

suzanne/ss

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 8, 2008, 2:34am

In case you want to put some faces to the names...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo-dx35bCvc

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 8, 2008, 3:37am

I just want to say I appreciate the support. It was a rough day but here's hoping for a better tomorrow.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 3:44am

AJ- things will get better. Good things happen to good people, you'll see.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jeddyhi on Feb 8, 2008, 4:10am

Quote:

I just want to say I appreciate the support. It was a rough day but here's hoping for a better tomorrow.

I haven't welcomed you to the forum yet, Sorry for the delay! Your courage in reporting the story and digging for the truth is truly inspiring. I'm sorry that you lost your job but things will get better.

As a Co-Administrator of this site, I am honored to have you here with us. Feel free to contact me with any questions about the forum. You'll find OM forum to be full of respectful, thoughtful, caring, intelligent people.

Hang in there and stay strong!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 8, 2008, 4:25am

Greeting Ricky S.!!!

Great to have you here with us my friend.
it is true.. you do have many friends here, and they would, and will do anything they can to help you if so possible.
Many of us are in different ares than yourself, but still here for you regardless.
So if theres anything you can think of that anyone of us can do to help you in anyway, do ask , mate.
I am humbled by the strength you have shown throughout this.
and I am so happy that you have ppl like ms. joiner to help you as well.
wow, it really is great to see you here bro!!

Please do stick around, and keep your head up,
youve got many many many who are on your side, and will stick by it.
Thanks soo much man, Blessings Love and Lots of Light upon you Bro,
Andrew

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 8, 2008, 4:25am

Welcome Mr. Sorrells.

As I said before, You are a true hero, and this country needs more men like you.

Andy

Wow...we have many Andy's and Andrew's at OM

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 8, 2008, 5:54am

Quote:

Wow...we have many Andy's and Andrew's at OM

Yes, and three Ricks on this thread alone.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 8, 2008, 6:07am

Quote:

I just want to say I appreciate the support. It was a rough day but here's hoping for a better tomorrow.

Sometimes, Things happen for a reason.

I am confident this will put you on a path to a better position.

My life to date is proof of that, and I am sure that most members would agree.

After all...we all ended up here

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by raska on Feb 8, 2008, 7:21am

Quote:

Oh my . . . this is awful. I'm very sorry to hear this Angelia

I guess this means, what took place in Erath County, Texas was and is very real, and of great importance.

I second that Angelia. You have been the main catalyst in this very important event, i mean bringing this out to all, its no small thing. I wish you the best for the moment. When you look back on this, you will be proud of what you did and it will be right. You sure deserve some special medals. Admin?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by zenmaster00 on Feb 8, 2008, 3:03pm

Once again folks, the trails and choppy slow motion in David's video is due to the JVC camera's "Night Alive Mode".

"We were disappointed to see that shooting in Auto mode prevents you from accessing the menu, so if you want to shoot in low-light situations and use the camera's Night Alive mode, you'll need to switch to Manual. Be prepared for some weird, David Lynch–like effects in Night Alive mode. To compensate for the low light, the camera captures scenes in a spooky way such that images contain light trails in choppy slow motion. It can be used in conjunction with an LED light for additional, though limited, illumination. If you want supersharp, clear images in very low light, this might not be the feature for you. But if you're hoping to shoot the next Mulholland Drive, Night Alive will be your favorite mode."

"Mysterious Symbols Projected in Night Sky".

Of course, this camera mode would mask the characteristics of the object itself and makes LMH's imaginative explanation that much more humorous.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nekitamo on Feb 8, 2008, 3:41pm

@zenmaster00: So that's it.

Actually, after seeing those 'symbols' for the first time my very first thought was 'oh, boy... I can produce symbols like that every night'. All it takes is disabling image stabilization and a slightly longer exposition setting. And Venus will do just fine as a 'lightpen'

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 8, 2008, 3:51pm

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1384&category=Environment

Zen...perhaps you should contact LMH with your info?

She does not mention any of this.

I wonder why.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 8, 2008, 4:08pm

Thanks Mur and Raska for your kind words. I do believe things happen for a reason and what made yesterday so shocking was the fact that I considered my bosses (publisher and editor) friends, too. I was made to feel like a criminal and I don't think I deserved that. In a small setting you get close to the people you work for and I just never expected what happened and was (and still am) completely baffled.
The Empire-Tribune is the only newspaper in town but I'm told I may be able to write as a freelancer for some other papers. Newspapers are on very tight budgets because of competing for ad revenue with radio, cable, Internet and others. I don't know much about magazine writing but will check into that, also. It won't be much and the stories will be assigned but still, I may be able to come up with enough to get me by for a while. That is the task at hand today -- to start making those contacts. This forum has become a great support to me and I'm grateful. Wish me luck!
To R. Sorrells: We've found our way to a good group of people, talk to you soon, and keep an eye on the sky!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 4:08pm

Channel 11 news Dallas is running a follow-up story on Stephenville tonight at 10pm.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 4:13pm

Quote:

Thanks Mur and Raska for your kind words. I do believe things happen for a reason and what made yesterday so shocking was the fact that I considered my bosses (publisher and editor) friends, too. I was made to feel like a criminal and I don't think I deserved that. In a small setting you get close to the people you work for and I just never expected what happened and was (and still am) completely baffled.
The Empire-Tribune is the only newspaper in town but I'm told I may be able to write as a freelancer for some other papers. Newspapers are on very tight budgets because of competing for ad revenue with radio, cable, Internet and others. I don't know much about magazine writing but will check into that, also. It won't be much and the stories will be assigned but still, I may be able to come up with enough to get me by for a while. That is the task at hand today -- to start making those contacts. This forum has become a great support to me and I'm grateful. Wish me luck!
To R. Sorrells: We've found our way to a good group of people, talk to you soon, and keep an eye on the sky!

Maybe if the witnesses decide to talk only to you, AJ, and refuse to talk to anyone else without you maybe the rest of the interested medias will recognize your importance in not only your writing skills, but your people skills as well. Just a suggestion, but I dont think anyone you have spoken to, the people who now know that you can be trusted, will let you down now in YOUR time of need.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 8, 2008, 4:36pm

well said rick.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 8, 2008, 4:37pm

Hi Angelia,

Good luck in your search for a new journalist position. I know you will have no problem. You have proved yourself to be of the highest calibre due to your fearless conviction to report the truth. I am sure this is only a transitional time for you as you start the next phase of your career. I can only encourage you to not back off and fade into the background. Now is the time to stick with this story and to take it to a broader audience. The record sales for the Tribune is proof that the people need to know what is happening. This is only the beginning!

Are you now working with the national media? Have you contacted James Fox about this latest turn of events? I'm sure he would want to speak with you.

http://www.outofthebluethemovie.com/about/james_fox.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 4:37pm

Here is a link to listen to the Coast to Coast AM broadcast last month concerning the Stephenville sightings. In case no one has already heard it.
http://web.comporium.net/~johnrc/CoasttoCoastJan272008Hour1.mp3

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by notasoul on Feb 8, 2008, 4:41pm

Quote:

Once again folks, the trails and choppy slow motion in David's video is due to the JVC camera's "Night Alive Mode".

"We were disappointed to see that shooting in Auto mode prevents you from accessing the menu, so if you want to shoot in low-light situations and use the camera's Night Alive mode, you'll need to switch to Manual. Be prepared for some weird, David Lynch–like effects in Night Alive mode. To compensate for the low light, the camera captures scenes in a spooky way such that images contain light trails in choppy slow motion. It can be used in conjunction with an LED light for additional, though limited, illumination. If you want supersharp, clear images in very low light, this might not be the feature for you. But if you're hoping to shoot the next Mulholland Drive, Night Alive will be your favorite mode."

"Mysterious Symbols Projected in Night Sky".

Of course, this camera mode would mask the characteristics of the object itself and makes LMH's imaginative explanation that much more humorous.

i think the bigger picture, with all respect to your important finding, is this-

"my understanding" is that he has STATED this video MATCHES what he actually SAW in person at the time of the filming of this video. in other words, these "symbols" jumped from one to the next, as in the video, about every 2 seconds.
i also "understand" that other witnesses say this is a close match to what the saw in person. this is why it was referred to as a "light show" and "funny or dancing lightning" (i forget the quote- sorry)

also, this is not in slow motion, like the "camera mode explanation" mentions. the video of images that last 2 seconds each, is in REAL TIME.
at first i though they were screengrabs or single blurred frames with trails. it looks slow motion, but it is not.

this "david lynch mode" on the camera itself seems like a way to re-create this effect, but it contradicts what this witness and other witness say matches their experience.

considering all of the other possible evidence that something DID happen in Texas that night, where does the possible camera setting fit into this? i just want to see what you think.

i'm sure our guest can either confirm this or someone can correct me.

i also think trying to match these "intentonal light symbols" with something from older UFO reports involving symbols will be intersting.
too bad the symbols aren't a match from the symbols on th drone crafts. but maybe they match something else. a couple do have the egyptian look.

great work everyone!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by notasoul on Feb 8, 2008, 4:51pm

i also meant to mention that CNN.com *was* doing a decent job covering the event at first- I think they had two or three different stories about it over the first few days, and also 2 or 3 videos.

HOWEVER, once the military announced "it was only jets" and changed their story to match, CNN's coverage came to a SCHREECHING HALT. sorry about the drama CAPS!

i wonder exactly how many other "major" or mainstream news sources dropped the story at that exact time, and if they were asked to stop reporting, as with AJ, or honestly thought the story dead.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 4:54pm

Quote:

Quote:

actually it is every 15 frames, 2 changes per second.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 8, 2008, 5:02pm

Quote:

Quote:

Once again folks, the trails and choppy slow motion in David's video is due to the JVC camera's

Of course, this camera mode would mask the characteristics of the object itself and makes LMH's imaginative explanation that much more humorous.

We need to be very careful with this. Let's not jump to any conclusions. It is true the Night Alive mode may be related. It has not yet been proved. I sent an email to LMH about this as soon as her article went up but I have not heard back from her. I know she's very busy now.

Like I said, be careful. This point could be used by debunkers in an attempt to discredit this entire case and that would not be fair. Don't trust the news clip as being 100% factual. Who knows what was done in the editting room? I don't like the smell of this at all. :-/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nemo492 on Feb 8, 2008, 5:03pm

Quote:

i also think trying to match these "intentonal light symbols" with something from older UFO reports involving symbols will be interesting.

Is that what you're looking for ? This one from Hannover, Germany
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/uf
[image]

and this one from Malta :
[image]

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 5:13pm

The 'debunkers' have never needed anyone's help, and IMO every explanation should be explored. Now, having said that I will add this- Steve Allen (I believe) saw the video and confirmed it was what he saw also, and I for one believe it to be an authentic portrait of what occurred in the sky that night. I also believe it may have been some type of communication attempt, either to us, or another UFO.
My opinion is that these phenom use light as a tool, as well as a method of propulsion. I believe that they have harnessed light and use it to both push and pull, as well as move things.
Almost everything these things do involves light in some way.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nekitamo on Feb 8, 2008, 5:17pm

Well, I couldn't resist to verify my claim from the previous post. However, it's not Venus but Sirius because it looks especially 'lively' tonight (no other editing apart from cropping):

[image]

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 5:18pm

Quote:

Quote:

i also think trying to match these "intentonal light symbols" with something from older UFO reports involving symbols will be interesting.

Is that what you're looking for ? This one from Hannover, Germany
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/uf
[image]

and this one from Malta :
[image]

What were the dates of these sightings?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by banzai on Feb 8, 2008, 5:45pm

nekitamo - May I ask you to replicate that experiment again?

there are some shapes that would help to analyze the camera artifact.

What I'd be interested in seeing is:
A circle with the start point labeled or at least explained.
A straight line with the start point noted.
A direct shot.

If you can, replicate the seemingly more intense burst among the streak.

thank you for your research and findings.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by banzai on Feb 8, 2008, 5:49pm

Quote:

I think the tracers are definitely caused by the video and the hands holding the camera, but could be a UFO they are filming.
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As far as the Texas sightings, I see a correlation between the drawing that was on C2C (based on witness testimony given to LMH by Ricky Sorrells). It is amazingly close to what was on the 11-13-07 triangle witness drawing.

Someone posted this drawing by a witness who drew the 11-13-07 UFO in California --

[image]

To add to this:

New report coming from Law enforcement on the scene in TX.

Say's there was an object that looked like this -
[image]

Source:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1385&category=Environment

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by hope4mil on Feb 8, 2008, 6:04pm

Quote:

thank you ontos and jake reason i probably wont have a chance to talk or see the forum again untill monday afternoon but i will try to

Rick,
You are a very brave man! Welcome to the forum. I have found that this is a great group of people with varied expertize. I feel confident that you will be pleased with everyone's effort to get the answer that you want the most: what was it?

My best advise (for what it is worth) is to treat everything that happens to you like a crime scene.
*Document everything! Keep a small note book and jot down date, time, and exactly what happens.

*Photograph any and everything that you feel is out of place. Do you have a good camera, video camera? If not, then maybe just a cell phone that can take pics and video. Save all of those files to disk and send to many people that you trust. Even go back again over what has already happened and see if there is any tiny detail that you have forgotten. Maybe a tape recorder to document phone calls (or even some answering machines will let you tape a conversation. Photograph the area of the footprint, where the man was standing, where you found the bullet. If you have any more visitors or evidence, photograph first and then collect in baggies, being careful not to touch with your unprotected hands.

*Photograph or photocopy all of your important documents.

*Carry a camera or recorder and take with you everywhere. If your cell phone has video, you can always use that to record a conversation or phone call, even if it is your pocket. Just learn which buttons to push.

Good luck and I am here if you need anything that I can do. I sure hope that you can get a good picture of this thing!

Hope

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 6:48pm

After using Google Earth, I have looked at the areas where all of the sightings occurred in and near Erath county over the past 3 months or so. I also saw 'lights' emitting from the ground last spring near Krum Texas, and moving first west then north, and I also looked at Google Earth at that terrain and I think I may have found a common factor- soil conservation reservoirs are located very near to where each of these sightings have been reported. Whether or not this means anything...who knows, but someone may have some input that may add to this.
Also, while I was at the Sorrells ranch on the 6th, I watched a small jet land northwest of there, and found an airstrip with the number '19' painted on one end in the middle of nowhere in that area. Again, maybe nothing, but next to it is a soil conservation reservoir number 8. I am certain that water is important to these phenom, but I am not yet sure in what way.
Southwest of Dublin is Proctor lake, near where the constable reported seeing the lights. Again, water.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by theavenger on Feb 8, 2008, 6:52pm

An airstrip, very interesting I will have a Google look at the area also. You're doing some good work.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nemo492 on Feb 8, 2008, 6:54pm

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Is that what you're looking for ? This one from Hannover, Germany
and this one from Malta :

What were the dates of these sightings?

I can't read german, but i've been told that Douglas Spalthoff wrote his Hannover article on Dec. 14th 2005
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/uf
The Malta press clip dates from "some years ago" and was found there http://rencontre.r.4.free.fr/alienencounters/

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 6:58pm

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What were the dates of these sightings?

I believe these to be some type of language, and if I am correct, it would be a language considered to be a 'simple' form to the intelligence(s) projecting it so that we might understand it more easily. I hope someone here might be a linguistics expert? Or possibly know one?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 7:00pm

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What were the dates of these sightings?

http://www1.worldlingo.com is a free translation site, with a desktop version (Dimoxi) available (I use the Dimoxi).

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 8, 2008, 7:32pm

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An airstrip, very interesting I will have a Google look at the area also. You're doing some good work.

Welcome theavenger

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 7:51pm

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An airstrip, very interesting I will have a Google look at the area also. You're doing some good work.

There is another set of airstrips near Morgan Texas, at an underground military installation. One of the strips is over a mile long (6000 feet). Here are my Google photos of it, and the coordinates-
http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/....thairstrips.jpg

http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/....t=airstrips.jpg

Also, it is posted in another thread here in OMF, but I feel that since it concerns the Stephenville sightings, it also belongs in this thread, so- here is the interview with LMH-
http://ovnis-usa.com/SONS/LMH_Feb08-63mn_light.mp3

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nekitamo on Feb 8, 2008, 8:08pm

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nekitamo - May I ask you to replicate that experiment again?

there are some shapes that would help to analyze the camera artifact.

What I'd be interested in seeing is:
A circle with the start point labeled or at least explained.
A straight line with the start point noted.
A direct shot.

If you can, replicate the seemingly more intense burst among the streak.

thank you for your research and findings.

Well, I can sure try but I hope that you understand how my image was created - it is the result of random shaking of my hands during one tenth of a second exposition with ~30x zoom range. Perhaps with somewhat differens settings (longer exposition, smaller aperture) it could be possible to 'draw' something this way, though I fail to see how it would help your analysis. I hope you're not just trying to give me some kind of 'impossible mission' because you think I'm trying to debunk this? Well, I'm not... but the similarity was so striking I couldn't resist to show how it can be done.

Btw, IMO the simplest thing to check zenmaster's 'Night Alive Mode' claim would be noise analysis - if there's normal background noise during the whole length of the video and only the 'symbols' are frozen then I guess that's not it. On the other hand, if there's also some 'frozen' noise...

From Steve Hammons
Post by admin on Feb 8, 2008, 8:20pm

From Steve Hammonds

Author Profile.

"Regarding any security or safety considerations for those involved there in Stephenville, although I am not an expert and do not have any particular inside information, from what I have read, sometimes in the UFO situation, security arrangements might be contracted out to private third party outfits.

The guy who called Sorrells was quite possibly not an Air Force officer. He could have been from a civilian agency and might have come out to Sorrells' place in a uniform. Or he could be someone from a private security firm contracted for these kinds of things.

For this reason (as in Iraq), the private security firms play by different rules than military personnel, civilian federal agencies, etc. and I would advise Sorrells and others to not escalate any conflicts or confrontations. That is my two cents.

As I have indicated in my articles, there are people responsible for security, secrecy and handling the UFO situation. They have a job to do. The rest of us need to work with them in some kind of reasonable way and find a middle ground, in my view.

I have a little bit of background associated with Army Special Forces from my days as an officer-trainee in ROTC in college. SF works in unconventional scenarios, with the CIA, in plainclothes, etc., and many ex-SF guys end up in outfits like Blackwater. I also have contacts in Navy SEALs ... same thing.

That said, I tend to agree with some on the Open Minds Forum that deadly force would not be a good option. But sometimes it is wise to lay low and not push people, and strive for cooperation, not confrontation (a word to the wise for Ricky Sorrells).

In the UFO situation, it may involve things that the American people are really not ready to handle. It might be something quite disturbing. We just don't know. Things need to go forward at a steady and safe pace, in my opinion.

As you may have discovered, there are many highly-placed people (current and former military, intel, sciences) who are working on gradual disclosure and acclimation for the public. And, reportedly, there are mixed agendas and different groups nationally and globally involved.

Steve Hammons

Phoenix, Arizona"

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 8, 2008, 8:28pm

I don't know, Nek. If the noise is generated by the camera then it would not streak from hand shaking. If there were something else that the camera could have seen such as a foreground or background object then that could be used but I have looked at the pics on the LMH site and can see nothing but the "symbols". One thing I don't like about the symbols is their nondescript nature, ie, they do not appear to be deliberate in their construction. The width of the strokes seems to be random like handwriting.

I have to emphasize, the validity of these symbols may have no bearing on the validity of the sighting.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 8:29pm

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From Steve Hammonds

Author Profile.

"Regarding any security or safety considerations for those involved there in Stephenville, although I am not an expert and do not have any particular inside information, from what I have read, sometimes in the UFO situation, security arrangements might be contracted out to private third party outfits.

The guy who called Sorrells was quite possibly not an Air Force officer. He could have been from a civilian agency and might have come out to Sorrells' place in a uniform. Or he could be someone from a private security firm contracted for these kinds of things.

For this reason (as in Iraq), the private security firms play by different rules than military personnel, civilian federal agencies, etc. and I would advise Sorrells and others to not escalate any conflicts or confrontations. That is my two cents.

As I have indicated in my articles, there are people responsible for security, secrecy and handling the UFO situation. They have a job to do. The rest of us need to work with them in some kind of reasonable way and find a middle ground, in my view.

I have a little bit of background associated with Army Special Forces from my days as an officer-trainee in ROTC in college. SF works in unconventional scenarios, with the CIA, in plainclothes, etc., and many ex-SF guys end up in outfits like Blackwater. I also have contacts in Navy SEALs ... same thing.

That said, I tend to agree with some on the Open Minds Forum that deadly force would not be a good option. But sometimes it is wise to lay low and not push people, and strive for cooperation, not confrontation (a word to the wise for Ricky Sorrells).

In the UFO situation, it may involve things that the American people are really not ready to handle. It might be something quite disturbing. We just don't know. Things need to go forward at a steady and safe pace, in my opinion.

As you may have discovered, there are many highly-placed people (current and former military, intel, sciences) who are working on gradual disclosure and acclimation for the public. And, reportedly, there are mixed agendas and different groups nationally and globally involved.

Steve Hammons

Phoenix, Arizona"

The idea of negotiating with ANYONE who resorts to terroristic tactics leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I will not elaborate further on that subject, but this is my SOLID, UNWAVERING opinion.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 8, 2008, 8:31pm

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I have to emphasis, the validity of these symbols may have no bearing on the validity of the sighting.

I agree completely

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 8, 2008, 8:41pm

The man was wearing a parka. He wanted to be seen. When he left, he did so in the dark, safely negotiating piles of wood that should have tripped anyone.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 8:45pm

I can see no recognizable patterns either, and I agree with the disorganized look to the designs. Almost as if someone had a laser pointer and moved it randomly as fast as they could against the night sky.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 8:46pm

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The man was wearing a parka. He wanted to be seen. When he left, he did so in the dark, safely negotiating piles of wood that should have tripped anyone.

a RECENTLY cleared area

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 8, 2008, 8:48pm

amen

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 8, 2008, 8:50pm

Please can I ask that someone create a 'new thread' for the 'light symbols' issue?

Thanks - we're running up a lot of simultaneous discussions on this thread - time break a new one open! Volunteer please!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by notasoul on Feb 8, 2008, 8:51pm

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I don't know, Nek. If the noise is generated by the camera then it would not streak from hand shaking. If there were something else that the camera could have seen such as a foreground or background object then that could be used but I have looked at the pics on the LMH site and can see nothing but the "symbols". One thing I don't like about the symbols is their nondescript nature, ie, they do not appear to be deliberate in their construction. The width of the strokes seems to be random like handwriting.

I have to emphasize, the validity of these symbols may have no bearing on the validity of the sighting.

great points. i DO think that IF the video has constant audio, it may help to prove it wasn't recorded in slow-motion mode, or that it wasn't being played back in slow-motion.

i wonder which seems more of a threat to the military- Rick's video, or having Rick dicuss this with the press.
what was the timing of all of this again- did the gov bother him right away, or AFTER he came forward with the video?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 8:58pm

There is another thread started yesterday about the 'shapes'.
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index....read=1202435082

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 8, 2008, 9:57pm

more info on AJ's former employer-
Empire Tribune is owned by:

American Consolidated Media owns and operates about 40 local community newspapers and related print publications, primarily in small-to-medium markets in Texas and Oklahoma. Its portfolio includes about a half dozen daily papers and 20 weekly editions. Jeremy Halbreich, former general manager of the Dallas Morning News, founded American Consolidated Media in 1998.

The company was acquired in 2007 by Macquarie Media, an affiliate of Australian financial services giant Macquarie Bank.

http://www.macquarie.com.au/au/mmg/about/overview.htm

And a little more about that Megacorp:

Who Owns Your Media
If you happen to live in Alice, TX, your news is now brought to you by an Australian firm, Macquarie, that builds toll-roads. The big story is about the mayor's dognapping, but tomorrow it may be why you want a toll road.

The same is true of several other small towns whose independent newspapers have been bought up by that firm, which is now vying for the growing toll-road building industry in the Trans Texas Corridor that the legislature in Austin is considering.

The UK and Australian press have christened Macquarie, the Australian investment and banking group, the “Millionaire Factory” for the hefty bonuses it lavishes on its executives. Macquarie has several tentacles including the Macquarie Infrastructure Group which builds toll roads and the Macquarie Media Group.

It’s worth noting that the Macquarie Media Group has gobbled up more than 100 small town U.S. newspapers since last year, including the Dallas-based American Consolidated Media, which owns a number of small papers in Texas. Just this month it bought the Glen Rose Reporter in Glen Rose, south of Fort Worth. Its acquisitions make the Macquarie Media Group’s American Consolidated Media — the 5th largest regional newspaper publisher in the United States.

Why should we care? Because Macquarie Infrastructure Group has made several bids to build toll roads in Texas and across the United States. One of the Macquarie Media Group’s acquisitions is the Alice Echo-News, the homepage of which currently sports a web banner touting the I-69 Trans Texas Corridor public meetings. This is part of the same media campaign which angered legislators such as Senator John Carona (R-Dallas) chair of the Senate Transportation and Homeland Security Commission. The “Keep Texas Moving” media campaign is costing TxDOT up to $9 million. Meanwhile, TxDot says it will delay more than $1 billion worth of projects this year because it doesn’t have enough money, a claim that many legislators and citizens alike find laughable.

For more toll road fun, Carona, will hold a hearing February 5th, asking TxDot to explain where its money went, and why it didn’t mention this cash-flow crisis during last year’s legislative session.(Emphasis added.)

Diane wrote about one of the truly destructive records that is being amassed at HUD in her post this morning. Such records of shameful behavior need to be studied, and they need to be considered in voting for our country and our states' future.

When media are gobbled up by a firm that has an interest in the local laws being written, it is a matter that needs more exposure. The FCC will probably show no interest until a new administration puts public servants into oversight of the country's needs and practices.

Quoted from: http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/2008/02/who-owns-your-media.html

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 8, 2008, 10:42pm

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Here is a link to listen to the Coast to Coast AM broadcast last month concerning the Stephenville sightings. In case no one has already heard it.
http://web.comporium.net/~johnrc/CoasttoCoastJan272008Hour1.mp3

Hi folks, OMF newbie here. Rick put me onto this forum from the Stephenville discussion at UFO Casebook. I'm the host of the above file, but I had to take it down due to Premier Radio copyright issues. However, there is a free alternative through this weekend. Premier Radio is offering a free trial of Streamlink at Coast to Coast AM's website (http://www.coasttocoastam.com) until Monday, so you can download it as an mp3, or stream it for free. It's under the Jan. 27th program and it's the first hour. The actual Stephenville discussion starts about 8:30 into the segment (which is commercial free btw!).

If you didn't get a chance to hear this program, I highly recommend it. Most of you are probably familar with the guest host that night (George Knapp). He brought on Alejandro Rojas & Ken Cherry both of MUFON, whom some of you may have met or are familiar with, and researcher Dick Criswell to discuss the sightings.

George Knapp seems to be genuinely interested in this story and I bet that he would have his curiosity further piqued by the way Angelia Joiner has been dealt with by the Stephenville Empire-Tribune. If you want to shine the light on this story and potentially flush out a few rats, I suggest writing George Knapp at GeorgeKnapp@coasttocoastam.com and make sure he is aware of the latest developments. I'm sure he will sense a degree of righteous indignation over the way Angelia has been cast aside.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 8, 2008, 10:43pm

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From Steve Hammonds

Author Profile.

<snip>

That said, I tend to agree with some on the Open Minds Forum that deadly force would not be a good option. But sometimes it is wise to lay low and not push people, and strive for cooperation, not confrontation (a word to the wise for Ricky Sorrells).

In the UFO situation, it may involve things that the American people are really not ready to handle. It might be something quite disturbing. We just don't know. Things need to go forward at a steady and safe pace, in my opinion.

As you may have discovered, there are many highly-placed people (current and former military, intel, sciences) who are working on gradual disclosure and acclimation for the public. And, reportedly, there are mixed agendas and different groups nationally and globally involved.

Steve Hammons

Phoenix, Arizona"

He seems to tell us to trust the gov. Don't rock the boat. Disclosure will come at the proper time. Do they really know what's best? Would disclosure mean the end of the world?

Who's confronting who? Seems to me Sorrells is an innocent bystander being harassed.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 8, 2008, 11:16pm

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Actually, if you re-read that quote of Steve's, it appears that he is talking to the people who have harassed Ricky. Suggesting to them, to be more cooperative and understanding to the sensitivity of the situation. He further advises them, that acclamation is occurring, in order to inform any hired-hands, and give them a reason why they need not apply too much force.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 8, 2008, 11:26pm

Yes - it seems the 'old guard' are just as much in prevalence as the 'new'.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by uforeality on Feb 9, 2008, 1:07am

I have a FOIA request pending with the AF. They wrote me today saying they'll have a response as soon as possible. This story deserves more national media attention. I'm in contact with Mrs. Joiner and we're trying to make it happen. Ricky Sorrells is brave, and I respect him.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 9, 2008, 1:40am

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Welcome onlookerdelay

Bob Collins author of Exempt from Disclosure was on this Show as well...I downloaded it.... You all must listen to this excellent show, and it is free this weekend

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 9, 2008, 2:30am

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Mr Hammons makes reasonable suggestions, but… there is a difference between theory and application:

Ricky Sorrells is not important just because he saw a UFO. Angelia Joiner is not important just because she reported the events. They are important because they’re people.

This is not an abstraction. These are people who are enduring consequences of events they did not initiate. These are people. Our people. You know, the good guys.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 9, 2008, 2:40am

well said, ontos.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 9, 2008, 2:56am

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Welcome onlookerdelay

Bob Collins author of Exempt from Disclosure was on this Show as well...I downloaded it.... You all must listen to this excellent show, and it is free this weekend

Thanks mur, I've been impressed with what I've seen thus far here. The Stephenville sightings have brought me out of UFO hibernation. I don't want to see this become another Phoenix Lights that gets swept under the carpet.

I thought the Capt. Collins interview was okay, but I'm not sure that he was as much of an "insider" as he paints himself to have been. I should have bought the Exempt from Disclosure book when it first came out, but I was a little uncertain about it. I wanted to get some reader feedback on it. It must not have had much of a circulation because I read very little reaction to it. I can't find any place to even buy it now.

Interesting to hear that there is now a rift between Collins and Doty (his co-author). Apparently Rick wasn't happy about the inclusion of certain names connected with the Serpo project, if I recall correctly. At least Bob took the high road and didn't use his appearance as a chance to take shots at Rick.

For those who didn't hear it, George asks Bob for his take on the Stephenville sightings, and Bob thinks the military has embarrassed themselves... worth listening to for sure!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 9, 2008, 3:54am

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Welcome onlookerdelay

Bob Collins author of Exempt from Disclosure was on this Show as well...I downloaded it.... You all must listen to this excellent show, and it is free this weekend

There is only one way to get the book, through Amazon but Capt Collins ships them himself and signs every one...just click on the book on his website.
http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/

The real insiders don't talk, but I enjoyed EfD throughly.
It is as good as any UFO book I have read.

Nice to meet you onlookerdelay

Sorry to go off topic everyone

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 9, 2008, 4:41am

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(How do you do those little boxes?)

Actually, no, I haven't spoken with James Fox when they took my computer my roladex (sp?) was gone, too. I think I have his number written in a notebook somewhere in the box of stuff I brought home. He interviewed me at the office. I don't know if I should call him or not. I'll think about that. No, I'm not working with the national media if you mean am I talking to them about my recent turn of events. I did get four stringer jobs so I've been working on that. (If any of you did that for me...Thanks!)
Another thing, I interviewed David C. and saw that film if anyone is intersted I would try to answer questions. I have the article here at home. I wrote from home sometimes.

edit to fix quote

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 9, 2008, 4:49am

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Hi Angelia,

Good luck in your search for a new journalist position. I know you will have no problem. You have proved yourself to be of the highest calibre due to your fearless conviction to report the truth. I am sure this is only a transitional time for you as you start the next phase of your career. I can only encourage you to not back off and fade into the background. Now is the time to stick with this story and to take it to a broader audience. The record sales for the Tribune is proof that the people need to know what is happening. This is only the beginning!

Are you now working with the national media? Have you contacted James Fox about this latest turn of events? I'm sure he would want to speak with you.
(How do you do those little boxes?)

Actually, no, I haven't spoken with James Fox when they took my computer my roladex (sp?) was gone, too. I think I have his number written in a notebook somewhere in the box of stuff I brought home. He interviewed me at the office. I don't know if I should call him or not. I'll think about that. No, I'm not working with the national media if you mean am I talking to them about my recent turn of events. I did get four stringer jobs so I've been working on that. (If any of you did that for me...Thanks!)
Another thing, I interviewed David C. and saw that film if anyone is intersted I would try to answer questions. I have the article here at home. I wrote from home sometimes.

AJ- to do the 'little boxes' look to the top right of the original message and it will say 'quote', click that instead of reply when you wish to quote

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 9, 2008, 4:50am

Oops, I see a new thread was started on that video I mentioned. Sorry.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sherlane on Feb 9, 2008, 6:36am

Salutations to all Open Minds. I’ve never considered myself a skeptic. Perhaps passive would be the term. Due to an almost non-existent media in the 40’s, by the time news reached us regarding unusual activities in the skies, it was hardly discussed. Russia’s threat to drop the bomb was the paramount worry then. However, my childhood memories of such revisited with urgency after January 8, 2008, when my friend and then co-worker, Stephenville’s Empire-Tribune head reporter Angelia Joiner, received a phone call that suddenly put our small community on the map in bold letters, rather than a small dot and 5 pt font.
What was first considered a “fluff” story to fill the front page, it became an overnight frenzy of visits from noted reporters, filmed interviews, phone calls too numerous to record, and countless emails from around the globe. Angelia never wavered. She tackled each query with vigor and made every effort to report facts as given. Just when the excitement began to wane, the military issued a statement. Frenzy refueled.
If I had thought about a tape recorder that day, all could hear how she pinned the upper echelon to the wall when he reported the incident as an internal miscommunication. Among other questions, he was asked how 10 of the government’s F-16s could be misplaced for two weeks.
The small town’s circulation had already doubled because of her first series of articles. The increase had little to do with the school district’s championship sports program, the city council’s approving a new aquatics center, or a murderer receiving a lengthy sentence. It happened because a dedicated reporter interviewed witnesses, evaluated information, ignored jeers, and continued to crank out what the public wanted to read—the possible sighting of something mysterious from beyond. Her days were long, exhausting, only to finally sit at her computer late at night to begin writing and meet deadlines for the next day’s editions, knowing it would begin anew the next morning. When witnesses hedged, we kidded her about becoming a bird dog on point to get story after story.
That she was chastised and humiliated by the editor and publisher is inconceivable and without conscience. The reasons for the overnight decision are various and distorted. The common conclusion is someone spooked them or she was receiving more attention than they were and they thought the topic had run its course. I was not present for the final confrontation due to my receiving notice of termination two weeks prior because of budget cuts. But my final interview was much more diplomatic. Because she had already given her notice with a week to remain, there had to be a serious topic on the table from someone to not honor her courteous display of professionalism rather than just walking off the job.
For Angelia to receive encouragement from this large audience is a comfort, both to her and her friends. She deserved better than to leave the E-T in such a manner after all her efforts to follow through and eloquently write what the community craved to read...and questioned when it ended. It provided readers the much sought after shot in the arms to turn minds from foreign wars and a stock market quietly and quickly searching for a recession.
Angelia’s desk will be occupied by another next week. The normal routine of tracking down hard news will continue. Dip a finger into a glass of water. There is no hole when removed. Life goes on. However, powers at Stephenville E-T or Bob at the Brownwood Reporter (corporate office) have not seen the last of Angelia Joiner. If a celebrity such as Larry King recognizes and commends her talents, efforts, and worth, why wouldn’t others? E-T has lost a great asset. Will that ever be realized? Small town-many closed minds.
I wish you all could personally meet this former teacher turned star reporter. I am proud to call her friend, and I appreciate your joining her crusade. I'm certain I'll enjoy my being a member of such a group.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by surfer on Feb 9, 2008, 7:17am

sherlane: Welcome to OM and thank you for that thoughtful essay about Angelia. We are happy to have her and you here. Take a look around and make yourself at home. If you need any assistance, just ask and someone will help you as soon as possible. 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 9, 2008, 7:42am

Wow, Thank you Sherlane, and welcome

It is great to have you here for sure..
soo many great new people all coming in on this thread, soo cool

like minds always find like minds.. I think thats whats best about the internet.., some years ago.. not everyone had the internet like virtually everyone now does..
made it alot harder for people like ricky and others to find support with such things.
very cool. Again.. it's great to have you, and looking forward to reading more.
Blessings,
Andrew

@Ontos:, I loved your lil speech on what really matters in this. Our people, being treated like criminals. :-/

Very niice man

Respect

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 9, 2008, 8:30am

Welcome to OM sherlane. You are a Texas gem. I love the way you write. But next time, tell us what you really think.

ty OrIon

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by frootloop on Feb 9, 2008, 11:46am

Wow - what a great thread.

welcome to all the new people here!

Sorry to hear that A. Joiner lost her job at the E-T..... obviously touched a nerve with someone i would think. Reminds me of the whole roswell thing when the local radio station was threatened with being forcibly shut-down if they ran the story any further. Perhaps someone at the E-T had a similar contact?!

If the story about the top secret "Crystal Rectangle" device on board STS107 is to be believed, then perhaps we couldnt find it during the debris retrieval in the Texas area during 2003, and maybe the recent sightings in Texas are a sign that the ETs are looking for it themselves.

With more of these types of sightings, fantastic witnesses such as Ricky Sorells coming forward and journalists such as Angelina Joiner taking serious interest in these cases, these events will soon become un-deniable. The Air Force is already looking rather silly when backtracking on flight reports and the known whereabouts of their aircraft. And the "Flare" explaination doesnt wash anymore (if it ever did).....

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 9, 2008, 11:48am

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If the story about the top secret "Crystal Rectangle" device on board STS107 is to be believed, then perhaps we couldnt find it during the debris retrieval in the Texas area during 2003, and maybe the recent sightings in Texas are a sign that the ETs are looking for it themselves.

UFO over Texas - linked to ET technology retrieval?

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/51776

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by frootloop on Feb 9, 2008, 11:58am

lol - thanks Bren, yup, i just spotted that on the other thread http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index....46934631&page=4

This site just has too d**n much going on lol

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by tomi01uk on Feb 9, 2008, 1:06pm

http://tiny.cc/isi5v

STEPHENVILLE, TX - A staff writer with the Stephenville Empire-Tribune recently found herself at the center of her own story after she was directed to stop writing about UFO’s and pursue more flattering articles.............

A lot of mentioning of OM forum here as well

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sherlane on Feb 9, 2008, 4:36pm

OrIon - LOL. It would take pages to say what I really think about this situation. I've known Angelia for years and her expertise and need to please others are only a couple of her special traits. Personally, I have a very open mind regarding the sightings. It should be an insult to our intelligence if we didn't. Thanks to all for the welcome.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by frootloop on Feb 9, 2008, 4:46pm

i think that the sheer numbers of people who witnessed this cannot be ignored, and if the military think otherwise, then they are in for a wake up call

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 9, 2008, 5:04pm

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UFO over Texas - linked to ET technology retrieval?

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/51776

Great job, admin!! Thank you, just the type of report I am looking into right now, thanks.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 9, 2008, 5:06pm

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OrIon - LOL. It would take pages to say what I really think about this situation. I've known Angelia for years and her expertise and need to please others are only a couple of her special traits. Personally, I have a very open mind regarding the sightings. It should be an insult to our intelligence if we didn't. Thanks to all for the welcome.

I welcome you also, and I would like to point out that you forgot to mention 1 thing about AJ- she's cute too *flirt- flirt*

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 9, 2008, 9:16pm

I just got a reply from George Knapp... he says that he is following this story and may get into it the next time he hosts, depending on what happens between now and then and how much attention the story receives from the other hosts.

I'll be firing off e-mails to George Noory, Ian Punnett and Art Bell to see if I can help arouse their attention!

Here are their e-mail addresses if you're interested:

george@coasttocoastam.com
ian@coasttocoastam.com
artbell@mindspring.com

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by uforeality on Feb 9, 2008, 9:27pm

Has this Ricky Sorrells audio and illustration of the UFO he saw been posted here yet?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/sorrellsinterview.html

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2398.html?theme=light

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 9, 2008, 9:33pm

Although I have been corresponding with Angelia Joiner off-line - I realise I haven't 'officially' greeted her on the forum!

Angelia, welcome to Open Minds Forum! You are amongst friends and like-minds - everything is for a reason.

And, of course - welcome Mr Sorrells and Sherlane!! Welcome aboard the fastest growing 'grass-roots' and open-minded UFOgroup on the internet! We have some of the best minds here - as you have seen from the threads - we are all only interested in enabling 'Disclosure' and bringing forward the 'Big Secret' which millions of ordinary folk have witnessed - but whose experiences are systematically dismissed and / or ridiculed by the MS media.

It is the credible, insightful, tenacious and 'on the pulse' reportage of Angelia and others like her that the 'community' value - and is why we stand united in saluting her.

Admin - Bren Burton - www.OpenMindsForum.com

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 9, 2008, 9:43pm

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Has this Ricky Sorrells audio and illustration of the UFO he saw been posted here yet?

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/sorrellsinterview.html

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2398.html?theme=light

Ggrrr!! Am I alone when I get annoyed when someone pronounces Stphenville with an extra 's' in it?? It is NOT StephenSville, it is Stephenville, 1 's'.

Also, Mr. Sorrells told me that the OTHER rendition (I cant find it now) was closer to what he saw. It had no dark spots inside like this one does.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 9, 2008, 10:44pm

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Ggrrr!! Am I alone when I get annoyed when someone pronounces Stphenville with an extra 's' in it?? It is NOT StephenSville, it is Stephenville, 1 's'.

.... you are not alone. I don't know why I'm so anally retentive about pronunciation of names. It's just like 75% of the broadcast media can't say New York Giant's All Pro wide receiver "Plaxico" Burris' name right... they pronounce it "pleck-si-co".... They're the same lot that calls North Carolina's All American center - Tyler Hansbrough's name as "Hans-burrow"... unbelievable. Both of these guys have "'tudes" - it's no wonder with 3/4 of the population pronouncing their names wrong!

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Also, Mr. Sorrells told me that the OTHER rendition (I cant find it now) was closer to what he saw. It had no dark spots inside like this one does.

Can you imagine what seeing something that profoundly majestic in person would do to your world view!? I get cold chills simply contemplating it; I can't image what Ricky must have experienced!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by orionlion714 on Feb 9, 2008, 11:23pm

Indeed!
well said onlookerdelay!

Welcome to you as well!! Great to have you on board my friend!!

Blessings
Andrew

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ramz on Feb 10, 2008, 12:04am

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like minds always find like minds.. I think thats whats best about the internet...

Open minds find open minds!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by uforeality on Feb 10, 2008, 12:22am

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Also, Mr. Sorrells told me that the OTHER rendition (I cant find it now) was closer to what he saw. It had no dark spots inside like this one does.

Here it is: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1379&category=Environment

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 10, 2008, 12:29am

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Also, Mr. Sorrells told me that the OTHER rendition (I cant find it now) was closer to what he saw. It had no dark spots inside like this one does.

Here it is: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1379&category=Environment

yes, this is the one, thanks.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 10, 2008, 1:19am

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Ggrrr!! Am I alone when I get annoyed when someone pronounces Stphenville with an extra 's' in it?? It is NOT StephenSville, it is Stephenville, 1 's'.

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Can you imagine what seeing something that profoundly majestic in person would do to your world view!? I get cold chills simply contemplating it; I can't image what Ricky must have experienced!

Mr Sorrells said this just does NOT fit into his religious beliefs and that bothers him deeply.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 10, 2008, 1:35am

Yes, though we all have different ideas/opinions on Religion, I still try to feel the confusion of someone who has been true to their beliefs all of their life, and then one day they look up at the sky, and something unexplainable is there instead of the sky....I myself have never been religious, but still, I can try to understand the mixture of emotions RS must have gone through in those moments. I know one man who was with Mr. Allen was so afraid of what he saw, that his thoughts went directly to his religious beliefs and he was certain that he had been witness to the beginning of the end of the world.
What can I say that would describe how terrible I feel for these people? My own beliefs mean nothing compared to how bad I feel that theirs have been all but destroyed. All I can say is this- this is still the same world you love, this is still the same life you have been grateful to have all of your lives, and though you may be questioning many things right now, do not question the fact that you have friends who care.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 10, 2008, 2:49am

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Mr Sorrells said this just does NOT fit into his religious beliefs and that bothers him deeply.

I need to do some more homework to make sure I've read and heard everything Ricky has had to say on his sighting(s) and the aftermath thereof. I didn't know that he had said this, but as a former MUFON investigator in the Bible Belt, I've heard this same line before.

I should be able to empathize with Ricky on this score. I'm a Christian myself, but I came to the realization many years ago that we aren't the only intelligent, corporeal beings in the universe. I don't see where holding that belief disqualifies me from being a Christian, although many fellow Christians tell me otherwise. They tell me that the Bible teaches that "we are created uniquely". Okay, I can buy that but I don't think unique means "only". So many of the people I worship with are so geared up for a "demonic deception" that they can't evaluate anything like this objectively.... it's got to be of Satan, or so I'm told.

When I was with MUFON, I had several people who were devout Christians come to me in confidence (they knew that I was also a Christian) and report their UFO sightings and in two cases - encounters. They didn't want to make an official report because they were scared of ridicule, but they just wanted to know that they weren't crazy and that it was possible that they weren't dealing with something that was going to require spiritual warefare tactics.

While I do think that there are forces in the darker spiritual realms that are harmful and destructive, I think it's a copout to classify all paranormal phenomena into that basket. Ricky obviously saw something that was outside of his paradigm in this sense, but it doesn't change the Gospel message, IMO. It just demonstrates the power of the Creator in a dimension for Christians who hold the Earth-centric view that this was not in His purview.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 10, 2008, 3:08am

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Mr Sorrells said this just does NOT fit into his religious beliefs and that bothers him deeply.

We have some staff and members here, namely JakeReason, ScaRZ and Etherian that are well versed in this subject.

I am confident they will provide counsel to Mr. Sorrells.

There are no greater experts on the subject that you mention, in a position to help, in this regard.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 10, 2008, 4:37am

Thanks, Mur. That is kind of you.
I laid out my personal belief regarding this subject over on the ScarZ Bible thread.

Onlooker, I appreciate your testimony.
I will say this, I have been greatly interested in this business of UFOs and have read much of the paranormal material that seems to hang along with it since I first heard about it in the 1940s.

I'm sure this was staggering to Ricky. I have read of several, but I haven't seen something as huge as this appears to be. However, I did see one during a church softball game in 1957, along with several others from my church. Barn metal gray sounds familiar.
I posted under the April 24, 1964 Encounters thread that I also had a long interview with a man who had a conversation with landed entities and touched their craft that had landed (sorta) on his farm in New York state.

I won't get into what this enigma is, as it is very involved. But as a Christian, I find my faith in Christ is stronger today than it was years ago when I was much younger.
Etherian

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Feb 10, 2008, 5:01am

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Amen to that!

This is not an easy road to go down. But to be awake and alert as to whats really going on is where it's at.

Eth- The cattle mutilations I've spoken about.. A few years back before every corner had a starbucks, the farmers and ranchers were 1 up on the scientists and philosophers. In the 70's you could ask any farmer or rancher about this topic and they would have some fear but would be solid as oak in their faith...

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 10, 2008, 5:46am

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Amen to that!

Eth- The cattle mutilations I've spoken about.. A few years back before every corner had a starbucks, the farmers and ranchers were 1 up on the scientists and philosophers. In the 70's you could ask any farmer or rancher about this topic and they would have some fear but would be solid as oak in their faith...

I have followed the mutilations aspect for years, but that part is new to me and I'm glad to hear that about those ranchers.

My wife and I had another experience 1968-69, with a light that shown in our bedroom. In my waking, I first thought it was car lights and realized that the road position wouldn't allow that.
I got up and ran out on the deck in time to see something glowing go overhead. Dumb me, I got in the car and drove down a lonely road to see if it came down. I still don't know what it was.
I never forgot the pink light and the shadows of the leaves on the trees from outside in the yard on the bedroom wall. Those shadows were strong! I could see every detail in the sillouette of them from trees 75 feet from the house.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 10, 2008, 5:47am

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Mr Sorrells said this just does NOT fit into his religious beliefs and that bothers him deeply.

Thanks for finding another way to help Mr Sorrells.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 10, 2008, 6:20am

I discussed the matter of religion with Ricky and that's what I was talking about when I said the whole UFO experience can challenge your belief system. I believe it really does "rock your world." I think someone may have asked about how I felt about that. This just reminded me. As I told Rick at the time, "I don't think we can put limitations on God." I am a Christian.
Thanks for the continued support in this absolutely most trying time in my life.
And Sherlane is a good friend of mind as you found out. I hope she's not doing some "biased" reporting. LOL She was right there with me, helping in every way she could, when the UFO story broke. I'll never forget that.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 10, 2008, 6:23am

I'm curious as to your time with MUFON. Am I understanding you are no longer in that circle? I know LMH used to be a member also. I've rec'd a lot of mixed feedback on the group but all that I have been in contact with are polite, educated and supportive of my efforts.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 10, 2008, 6:38am

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Thanks for the continued support in this absolutely most trying time in my life.
And Sherlane is a good friend of mind as you found out. I hope she's not doing some "biased" reporting. LOL She was right there with me, helping in every way she could, when the UFO story broke. I'll never forget that.

After reading sherlane, I’m pretty much convinced that she’s the one keeping YOU on the straight and narrow.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 10, 2008, 7:05am

I have come accross a video made approximately 60 miles north of Bakersfield California on 11/13/07 by Diana Blackburn of a UFO. Have any of you seen this video yet? It sure sounds/looks like some of the Erath descriptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQwUZnDfns

I have the entire 16 minutes of this

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 10, 2008, 7:09am

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I have come accross a video made approximately 60 miles north of Bakersfield California on 11/13/07 by Diana Blackburn of a UFO. Have any of you seen this video yet? It sure sounds/looks like some of the Erath descriptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQwUZnDfns

I have the entire 16 minutes of this

Yep, the full version is impressive.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 10, 2008, 7:17am

Angelia, When I welcomed you here a few days ago, I said it was refreshing to hear a reporter who had the courage to pursue this story as many don't. Then to hear that you were fired off the job confirms why this is the case.
I have a friend who told me about a Texas reporter and why they didn't get into this subject. I will try and catch up with him to get a little more about that if I can.
You have a great attitude and as a Christian you know that things will work out for you in the end.
You also know, that these are wild times and times of great events as well. Trust the Lord and I figure you and Ricky are doing that in this period of strangeness for you.
Etherian

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 10, 2008, 7:17am

I am hoping to find some video that RS might compare to what he saw, I am hunting constantly online, and finding a LOT of very recent reports.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by elevenaugust on Feb 10, 2008, 11:49am

Hi all!
Before, I would like to say welcome aboard to Angelia, Mr Sorrells and Sherlane and please keep continue the good work!! 8-)

I find this on Ovnis-USA's website, and here is an
automated translation:

Some good info may not be published without the risk of compromising the source : the confidence with witnesses is destroyed, and the informant is isolated.
Yet, we must try to get the message across.
I've had a phone conversation about the situation in Texas with a contact in the United States, who has maintained good relations within the police, and he said :

"One of my former colleagues is currently assigned in the region of the recent events. He said that everything related to the UFO there became 'top-secret' ...He absolutely does not want that his name be quoted. With all these events, the reaction of people, journalists, and all those guys who run in all directions without us knowing for which agency they work, they are all overworked at the moment and his unit is becoming crazy.
He said he did not want to talk on the telephone or even by mail. They have very strict orders on the subject.
Nothing should come out ......
I told him that a journalist had reported that a police officer had made a drawing of the Ufo, and I asked him if they would also have pictures? But at this point in the conversation, he refused to say more because we were talking on the phone.

Finally, he told me that if I was ready to make a visit, he could tell
me something astounding about what is happening at this moment...

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 10, 2008, 2:16pm

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I'm curious as to your time with MUFON. Am I understanding you are no longer in that circle? I know LMH used to be a member also. I've rec'd a lot of mixed feedback on the group but all that I have been in contact with are polite, educated and supportive of my efforts.

Angelia, my experience with MUFON was mostly a positive one (1991 - 1994). I did see some sub-groups in MUFON who were less objective in their approach. They had pet theories and they tended to shape their handling of witnesses and evidence to fit their predisposed positions. Some of them were overbearing in this sense and it cast the organization in a bad light, IMO.

I got tangentially involved with a contactee who was out of my juristiction (i.e. in another state), who wanted me to handle her case because she was so distraught with the overbearing behavior of the group she was working with. They were trying to control her rather than simply investigate the case. I told her that I would be in violation of our charter if I was to get involved in her case and she understood. However, she also washed her hands of MUFON in her region. Bud Hopkins has worked with her since then on a very limited basis.

From what I've heard of the Texas organization, it is pretty solid and composed of competant, objective, and well-intentioned folks. I would have no problem working with Alejandro Rojas or Ken Cherry, based on what I heard from them on Coast to Coast AM two weeks ago.

The only reason I quit MUFON is that it was placing a strain on my family life. I have four children and the phone calls and departures at all hours of the day and night was too disruptive. I'll get back into it once my youngest is out of high school.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 10, 2008, 4:07pm

Welcome Sherlane, you are such a sweet heart to come here and support Angelia this way. I'm sure the folk at the newspaper are also reading.

Thanks Mur for the vote of confidence in my endeavors to understand the theological implications of the extraterrestrial phenomena.

It's my number one concern. Looking at my post count, you'all can see I've been a busy poster LOL. Here is my first post. Still the same guy as I was then. But have learned more since, then I ever thought was even learn-able, if that makes any sense.

There are a large number of Christians on this forum. However Christian/Judeo theology and eschatology are complicated and very touchy subjects, when the ET Card is factored in. Consequently the majority of the Christians don't get too involved in theological discussions on this forum. But I know they are reading it.

ScaRZ is most prolific concerning Christianity, the Bible, End Times and theology. He has his own thread and brings fascinating articles and U-tube videos of Christian UFO/ET lectures to our forum. Very eye opening!

When Christians are first confronted with the UFO/ET issue, as Angelia & Ricky in this case. . . apprehension sets in. And most who they can go to, elders, teachers, Pastors, etc, haven't got a clue what to make of it, other then to say it's all Satan. Which is laughable. But bless their hearts, they just don't know.

I think the best starting place for reckoning these issues is in Genesis. "In the beginning God (YHWH) created the heavens . . ." (I purposely left the earth out 8-)

). Now look at the Hubble Space telescope pictures. Click "We've only just begun" link at the bottom of my posts. The point is, He didn't create all this, for it to be void of life.

The next step is to take a closer look at Genesis Chapter 6. One of the main causes for the flood, was to wipe out the "Sons of God" who came down to earth and took women to be their wifes, and all their children - Nephilim. This is a most fascinating study, and shows that the heavens/universe? was populated by others before we were formed. The ones who came to earth then, we're considered "fallen" sons of God. But these aren't the fallen angels. They are completely different. And if there be fallen 'sons of God' before the earth was formed, then there were other 'sons of God' who didn't fall.

After one first comes to grip with these two things - Heavens and Populated, the next reaction is all the "why?" and "How can this be?" type questions.

So I suggest that a Christian then fast forward from Genesis to the last book, Revelations. What is the promise and hope in Christ?
It is to become sons & daughters of G-d.

Put it together.

Hope this helps and happy learning. Remember, you wouldn't have been having this experience, unless there was a purpose. All things work together for good . . . .

Jake

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 10, 2008, 4:37pm

Not being a member of any religion, ever - but still recognising there is surely a God/Gaia and we are all one and the same and part of that one 'Light' - I can only do my best to thank Pastor Reason(!) for his supportive words above to those Christians who are reading - I am sure you will find them helpful and comforting.

I do 100% support his very last paragraph!! Right on the nail! Thats is something we have come believe over the years we have been here and have witnessed the things that 'fate' has transpired before us. 8-)

The folk here, are 'like-minds'. And it is All Good. 8-)

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 10, 2008, 5:00pm

I am a Christian too. I also have had my struggles trying to fit a belief in ETs into my faith in God and Jesus. As I look at the history of the church I see that a dichotomy between knowledge and faith has always occured. But in the end it has always been resolved that the two are completely compatible and it was only our preconceived notions that caused the rift. Keep an open mind.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 10, 2008, 5:47pm

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. . . apprehension sets in. And most who they can go to, elders, teachers, Pastors, etc, haven't got a clue what to make of it, other then to say it's all Satan. Which is laughable. But bless their hearts, they just don't know.

And conversely, one would think that if the Bible and Jesus Christ were mentioned on a UFO site, one would be quickly run out of here.
But, it is an Open Minded forum and I appreciate that the administration allows a fair balanced approach to these discussions.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 10, 2008, 6:11pm

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You have a great attitude and as a Christian you know that things will work out for you in the end.

Etherian's words are so true here Angelia. Holding firm to your faith will allow you to not only weather this storm, but to grow in it. I'm sure that I don't have to tell you how volitile your profession is in terms of turnover. From what I've seen, more often than not, a media firing of this nature is a stepping stone to bigger and better things. More often than not, it's an indicator that you've grown beyond the bounds of your current gig. Look at how many times Rush Limbaugh got fired over the years.

I would like to think that I had the courage of my convictions to have reported on this story in the manner in which you have done. I commend you for it!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by greatwaller on Feb 10, 2008, 6:22pm

Hi folks,

Please let me add another protest at the power that be, i.e. the so-called hitting below the belt tactics at not only Ricky Sorrells but now Ms. Angelia Joiner, the newspaper writer of two pieces concerning the former's appalling harrasments by the American Air Force, she was fired from her job.

Having been active in ufology for the past 50 years, such condemnable actions by the Air Force in question are not surprising but continue to use all sorts of dirty tactics for those who are trying to disclosure the truth and proves that this Agency is lying to its fat belly...as always!

Reference: Victor Martinez's today message to his massive fan mail list, entitled: Texas Newspaper writer unemployed after publishing military harassment story of UFO witness.

Never mind Ms. Angelia, with your writing skill and ability to tell the truth, you should have no trouble finding employment...wish you all the best.

The entire UFO world is behind you, Angelia...take heart pal.

Official cover-up news...

Ref: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/51832

Cheers,
Greatwaller

PS: Know the Truth which the powers that be don't want you to know...but if you know it either first hand or second hand, nevertheless, it shall set you free of doubts about UFOs are real...!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by uforeality on Feb 10, 2008, 6:27pm

Texas MUFON talking to George Knapp from Jan 27th. Good stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6GMDUhLHb0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHzG3Y4A2M8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-rscCiydh8&feature=related

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by mufonsghost on Feb 10, 2008, 9:19pm

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hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Mr Sorrells

We haven't met but my name is Steve Hudgeons and I am the lead investigator with MUFON and I ask if at all possible that you attend the next meeting we will have to interview witnesses that we didn't interview the last time.

We will have important "representatives" with us that we feel will help in "getting the word out" for a lack of a better term.

Please email me at *******************

I would like to bring you into the fold now that you feel free to explain what you have seen. I want to hear about all of it. MUFON is more respected in the UFO arena than are (others) you have been dealing with.

Looking foreword to hearing from you.

Thanks
Steve Hudgeons

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 10, 2008, 10:53pm

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Please email me at *************

I would like to bring you into the fold now that you feel free to explain what you have seen. I want to hear about all of it. MUFON is more respected in the UFO arena than are (others) you have been dealing with.

Looking foreword to hearing from you.

Thanks
Steve Hudgeons

"More respected in the UFO arena than are (others) you have been dealing with"?

According to who?

Pretty bold of you to come here and claim we aren't as respected. ::)

Certainly there are many individual MUFON investigators who are respected, and you may even be one of them. But there are many who not too. Individuals are one thing. The organization is another.

We deal with many high profile Ufologers who would not concur with the wording of your claim.

Careful.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by piiper2 on Feb 11, 2008, 1:06am

Hello everyone!

So this is my first post here on OMF. Dunno if Im the first Finnish member of your cyberfamily

So I have been following this Stephenville case already from the beginning when it surfaced in the news (yes it was in papers also here in finland). Im not HC believer on ETs but I have to admit that my point of view has definitely changed after I have made myself familiar with this whole UFO ET issue. Internet holds so unbelievalbe amount of info that I have literally spent all my spare time in the past month to investigate this issue. So I dare to say Im quite well aware of whats going on around this Stephenville topic too.

OMF seems to be quite, hmm lets say, cozy place to express your view of life (that was a compliment!) and I admit that I mostly enjoy by only reading the forums like these. What made to come over the line to write here is the concerning MUFON appearance here.

I sincerely thought until this day, when I saw Mr.S.Hudgeons writings, that MUFON would be respectable assosiation in every respect. Now I read comments on this forum from representative of MUFON that could be straght from James Mc.Gaha. On other forums I have also read that there are some of UFO witnesses that are dissatisfied with MUFONS style to operate (missing evidence and delayed reports). I really hope that this is not the case.

I also see it much much more lucrative if OMRT would find some way of doing co-operation with MUFON. It is evident that MUFONs field investigators use forums like OMF so I see there point of mutual interest. The ultimate goal is the same for both of you. Maybe some of you nice admins should try to contact MUFONs state director Kenneth E. Cherry who sounded like a real polite person on coast to coast.

So it seems like I started my "career" as a conciliator 8-)

Thanks for the forum and lets keep our minds focused on the important issues. Final disclosure could be around the corner!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 1:27am

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hello all, my name is Ricky Sorrells i just want every one to know i think what yall are doing here is great ! thanks

Wow, and to think I may have been too quick to judge you, shame on you sir, shame on you for coming here under false pretenses only to gain access to a witness who (for whatever reason) hasnt made contact with you on his own.
This is so disapointing to me, I know that if every (not just the ones who are more widely known) research group were to 'pool their info' then the truth might be revealed a lot sooner, but no, we have egos as bigs as Texas itself conflicting here, which is foolish, pointless, and 100% nonconstructive.
I will not judge MUFON by what you have done, sir, only you.

edited to add: Maybe MUFON should better choose it's leadership in the future, as the actions of it's leaders directly reflects (unfairly) on the group.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 11, 2008, 2:05am

I really don't have a problem with the fishing expedition.

I really don't have a problem with mufon not sharing info on their investigations.

Most researcher keep the investigation contained to prevent the work from being compromised. OMRT does it...LMH does it... why would mufon be any different.

Mufon will not vouch for work done by omrt and vice versa.

Neither side wants to give away or let become compromised, the hard work they have done.

I won't point fingers at OM or Mufon.

But let's not pretend we are the winners here.

I won't declare a moral victory.

Both sides lose.

Perhaps some thought should be given on how to effectively handle the situation when a high profile person joins OM.

I think some communication needs to happen in private first.

Maybe that happened here, I don't know.

Better luck next time

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:18am

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It's been done before... and quite recently I might add. International Director of MUFON himself James Carion was here not long ago. Even though Mufon's position on the "Drones" was that it was all a hoax, James came here attempting to hijack witnesses.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 11, 2008, 2:20am

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STEPHENVILLE, TX - A staff writer with the Stephenville Empire-Tribune recently found herself at the center of her own story after she was directed to stop writing about UFO’s and pursue more flattering articles.............

A lot of mentioning of OM forum here as well

Wow...someone does not like OM too much.

Read comment number 5 and 6 from tomi's link

http://tiny.cc/isi5v

Does OM have a damage control dept?

Maybe this lkwalker is a member of mufon

I doubt it

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by miters on Feb 11, 2008, 2:23am

As a medical consultant for MUFON, and one who has followed the developments in Stephenville/Erath Co., I think it imperative that we do not label any investigative team or entity as a lesser one ... as cooperation is key amongst all of us who wish clarification and disclosure. The most interesting and supportive evidence may come from the least experienced or newest member to this research effort. It is important that all of us, particularly those within MUFON, to respect all others contributions until proven false or misleading. :-[

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 2:37am

i posted my own opinion there, I dont know if it is visible to all yet, but it says 'awaiting moderation'.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 11, 2008, 2:45am

Mr Hudgeons when you refer to( others) do you mean open mind forum or Linda Howe? So far ive been watching and reading what the members have been posting every night and i think that these people want to know what is going on and are trying to get the truth.Ive also noticed that you have been a member here under a month ,just like me , whY????? I would like to tell everone that Linda Howe helped me get through most of this crazy stuff ive been through. I was on the phone with her through most of it .We had our ups and downs but i can assure you that she worked to find the truth .I would like to thank everyone for the warm welcome A J and i have recieved ,there are some ideas that i have and i would like to share them with yall I HAVE A GAME PLAN................

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 2:47am

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Mr Hudgeons when you refer to( others) do you mean open mind forum or Linda Howe? So far ive been watching and reading what the members have been posting every night and i think that these people want to know what is going on and are trying to get the truth.Ive also noticed that you have been a member here under a month ,just like me , whY????? I would like to tell everone that Linda Howe helped me get through most of this crazy stuff ive been through. I was on the phone with her through most of it .We had our ups and downs but i can assure you that she worked to find the truth .I would like to thank everyone for the warm welcome A J and i have recieved ,there are some ideas that i have and i would like to share them with yall I HAVE A GAME PLAN................

You see? Texans can take care of themselves just fine

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:52am

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Wow...someone does not like OM too much.

Read comment number 5 and 6 from tomi's link

Oh my. Sounds like somebody has an axe to grind. I know there are not many banned people but maybe he's one trying to get some revenge by spreading lies. Cult? Lol.

Quote:

Open Minds Forum, that is considered by almost all informed investigators of Ufology to be little more than an incipient cult and the home to closed-minded ‘true believers

Close minded true believers, eh? Yeah, I'm closed minded about not believing or is it I'm not open minded enough to being closed minded

Where have I heard that before?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by platinumlurker on Feb 11, 2008, 2:53am

As did i....see if the moderators let it by:

In response to LK Walker. The OM forum is not a cult. It is a forum dedicated to open minded discussion regarding UFOs and other paranormal activity. The moderators and posters on this forum are by far the most mature and intelligent of any similar type discussion group on the web.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 11, 2008, 2:59am

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Welcome back Mr. Sorrells.

I am glad to hear you have a plan and I am glad the hear that Linda was a great help to you.

We all look forward to your remarks.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 3:02am

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,there are some ideas that i have and i would like to share them with yall I HAVE A GAME PLAN................

Hi Rick,

It's good to see you back online. I hope everything is going better for you, your family and AJ. I'm sure OMF will do it's best to provide any assistance it can. You did well teaming up with Linda. She has been in this business a long time and she is someone you can trust. I look forward to hearing your plan.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by cb3tech on Feb 11, 2008, 3:11am

Note to OMF members.

Let us all be the bigger ~~man~~ person here and not fall into some ridiculous and immature mud slinging contest.

Keep focused on the subject at hand.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by nibiru on Feb 11, 2008, 3:17am

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As did i....see if the moderators let it by:

In response to LK Walker. The OM forum is not a cult. It is a forum dedicated to open minded discussion regarding UFOs and other paranormal activity. The moderators and posters on this forum are by far the most mature and intelligent of any similar type discussion group on the web.

We also look quite deeply into the religious aspects of what disclosure will bring. If being a Christian or believer in Christ as my Saviour is a Cult- than I'm guilty!

Funny how there are so many here that have other beliefs..... Would not a cult require the same beliefs.. uuuhhh derrr.. umm.. scratching head...

It's also interesting that Mufon reps come here to OMF looking for witnesses when the entire story broke here.... lol Look at page 1 and the date. Too funny. Who is running behind on this story? Who are the most important witness here? Right, they are here. Because OMF is a site that allows folks to think without being told not to...

Mur Yes the division between the different organizations wanting to break the big story causes a huge rift at reaching the truth. That must be overcome.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 11, 2008, 3:17am

Angelia, I've now heard Linda Howe's interview on Dreamland with Ricky Sorrells and her Jan 23rd 1/2 hour appearance on Coast to Coast AM, in which she discussed this case. In both programs, she referred to a Stephenville Empire-Tribune reporter as "Angela Brown". I'm taking it that she just had your name wrong?

I thought she did a decent job with the interview with Ricky, BTW. He convinced me over the radio that he had seem something of unknown origin. I'm left to wonder what is going on in this region that makes it such a hotbed for sightings of this sort.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by murnut on Feb 11, 2008, 3:29am

Quote:

i posted my own opinion there, I dont know if it is visible to all yet, but it says 'awaiting moderation'.

They are both up

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sherlane on Feb 11, 2008, 3:33am

Ontos...You bet I keep AJ on the straight and narrow! She's worth it!! And she's trying very hard to tread carefully, but with newfound knowledge on this sight, it's becoming easier for her. She's like my own and I want her to go forward, rather than stagnate because of closed minds that could have destroyed her career.

Regarding the discussion on the religious aspects of believing in UFOs, all must remember that many Christians truly believe that angels and spirits walk among us. Mine certainly do. It might be difficult for some to go beyond that, for now. But those of us raised in a staunch, literally taught, not to be questioned in any manner religion, it is difficult to come to terms with what could be, although I was somewhat of a rebel and began to read more figuratively. Being a school teacher strengthened my interpretations even more. Genesis was "written" in 4000 BC. How small the world in that time. But consider Revelations in 96 A.D. and how far we've come since to re-evaluate and re-interpret those prophetic messages. God created earth, according to biblical versions. Who is to say somewhere in time we won't read another story of another creation?

I'll learn to use all these boxes correctly in time. Have patience with me. Thanks again for the positive strokes. I'm normally quiet, but am reading and noting comments of others.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by miters on Feb 11, 2008, 4:27am

It is reasonable to hypothesize that the difficulty in moving toward disclosure is secondary to a variety of interests (who control much of the information) whose future influence, livelihood, and status would be so changed and potentially diminished that disclosure will only happen if forced upon them. This includes the military, religious leaders, some business enterprises (including the military-industrial complex), and perhaps various others.

Our belief system, which includes a "God", does not have to be at odds with the possibility that highly advanced intelligences may be behind the UFO phenomenon. It can be hypothesized that the "God" that we believe in may be a technologically advanced being, or civilization, that has helped and interacted with us previously.

It appears unjust, and entirely undemocratic, for a segment of our society to withhold information from the masses under the pretense that we are not ready. Should "God" be directing or permitting other races and extraterrestrials to interact with us hoping to orchestrate contact with the general public, but prevented from doing so peacefully, then the general population is right in feeling abused.

The fall of communism in the old Soviet Union, wherein a segment of society had control/power/influence/perks not shared by the great majority of the public, was only brought down after mass demonstrations and years of open national strife. Significant damage to property and persons unfortunately took place before the system was brought down. The UFO phenomenon disclosure is perhaps no less of a challenge for a purportedly democratic society.

Not only must the Stephenville UFO events not be allowed to fade from the public mind, but we must try to effect a change in the course of the history of this phenomenon. It appears justified to consider:
1. Local/state/national referendums on UFO disclosure
2. Demonstrations in front of Air Force Bases, defense installations, and local/state/national government agencies selected for their role in non-disclosure
3. A letter and e-mail campaign to congressional representatives, to include a call for congressional hearing(s)
4. Fund raising efforts to pay for advertisements as well as lobbying costs
5. Discussions with church leaders and business leaders, in an attempt to try to change the mindset in favor of disclosure
6. Boycotting of media enterprises and businesses that are blocking disclosure and that limit freedom of speech
7. Frequent and unrelenting FOIA queries

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ivo5000 on Feb 11, 2008, 4:56am

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And we will do everything we can to help you out with your plan, Ricky. Just let us know what we can do for you.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 11, 2008, 5:30am

Steve H. is not referring to you guys but I can see why you took it that way. I know who he is talking about and that person is not on this forum. Communication...it's so difficult. Sometimes we don't say or type what we mean.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 11, 2008, 5:37am

Quote:

Angelia, I've now heard Linda Howe's interview on Dreamland with Ricky Sorrells and her Jan 23rd 1/2 hour appearance on Coast to Coast AM, in which she discussed this case. In both programs, she referred to a Stephenville Empire-Tribune reporter as "Angela Brown". I'm taking it that she just had your name wrong?

I thought she did a decent job with the interview with Ricky, BTW. He convinced me over the radio that he had seem something of unknown origin. I'm left to wonder what is going on in this region that makes it such a hotbed for sightings of this sort.

She called me for an interview but did not show up. I told her then that Angela K. Brown is the AP reporter and who I was but I guess it wasn't important to her to correct it. She also had Steve Allen's name wrong but I think she changed that one.
I know...if it's military why don't they move somewhere else? I'm working on something now with Rick and two new witnesses. It never ceases to amaze me. I think it doesn't care if it's seen. That's how it seems to me. It keeps coming back almost like it's ready to be seen and reported on. I would have to say this thing is not hiding. It gives me chill bumps :-[

I'm going to pray extra hard tonight. Good night everyone.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 5:39am

Quote:

Steve H. is not referring to you guys but I can see why you took it that way. I know who he is talking about and that person is not on this forum. Communication...it's so difficult. Sometimes we don't say or type what we mean.

Well, I think we should all work together if we are to make any progress. It just makes no sense to allow personalities to hinder the quest for truth. This is about what was seen last month in your area, period. The politics should be left out of the investigations.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 11, 2008, 5:42am

Quote:

It is reasonable to hypothesize that the difficulty in moving toward disclosure is secondary to a variety of interests (who control much of the information) whose future influence, livelihood, and status would be so changed and potentially diminished that disclosure will only happen if forced upon them. This includes the military, religious leaders, some business enterprises (including the military-industrial complex), and perhaps various others.

Our belief system, which includes a "God", does not have to be at odds with the possibility that highly advanced intelligences may be behind the UFO phenomenon. It can be hypothesized that the "God" that we believe in may be a technologically advanced being, or civilization, that has helped and interacted with us previously.

It appears unjust, and entirely undemocratic, for a segment of our society to withhold information from the masses under the pretense that we are not ready. Should "God" be directing or permitting other races and extraterrestrials to interact with us hoping to orchestrate contact with the general public, but prevented from doing so peacefully, then the general population is right in feeling abused.

The fall of communism in the old Soviet Union, wherein a segment of society had control/power/influence/perks not shared by the great majority of the public, was only brought down after mass demonstrations and years of open national strife. Significant damage to property and persons unfortunately took place before the system was brought down. The UFO phenomenon disclosure is perhaps no less of a challenge for a purportedly democratic society.

Not only must the Stephenville UFO events not be allowed to fade from the public mind, but we must try to effect a change in the course of the history of this phenomenon. It appears justified to consider:
1. Local/state/national referendums on UFO disclosure
2. Demonstrations in front of Air Force Bases, defense installations, and local/state/national government agencies selected for their role in non-disclosure
3. A letter and e-mail campaign to congressional representatives, to include a call for congressional hearing(s)
4. Fund raising efforts to pay for advertisements as well as lobbying costs
5. Discussions with church leaders and business leaders, in an attempt to try to change the mindset in favor of disclosure
6. Boycotting of media enterprises and businesses that are blocking disclosure and that limit freedom of speech
7. Frequent and unrelenting FOIA queries

I am working on a site that is almost up and running although not near complete which will include lobbying for disclosure. It's becoming near and dear to my heart.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 11, 2008, 5:49am

My vision: To choose a day where we all go to our state capitals and lobby for this just cause. I can just imagine how many hundreds would be at the Texas State capital in Austin. I think that will be more effective than Washington D.C. but maybe that will come later. I'm in touch with a friend in Austin to see more about how to go about this. I did this with teachers once and it created a news frenzy. Several bus loads were there as well as people driving up in their own vehicles. I can see it now...

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 5:52am

Quote:

My vision: To choose a day where we all go to our state capitals and lobby for this just cause. I can just imagine how many hundreds would be at the Texas State capital in Austin. I think that will be more effective than Washington D.C. but maybe that will come later. I'm in touch with a friend in Austin to see more about how to go about this. I did this with teachers once and it created a news frenzy. Several bus loads were there as well as people driving up in their own vehicles. I can see it now...

count me in

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 11, 2008, 5:56am

I'll drive the bus.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 5:59am

Quote:

I'll drive the bus.

lol, I have a class 'A' CDL, but no passenger endorsement, sorry

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 6:26am

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<snip>
It never ceases to amaze me. I think it doesn't care if it's seen. That's how it seems to me. It keeps coming back almost like it's ready to be seen and reported on. I would have to say this thing is not hiding. It gives me chill bumps :-[

I'm going to pray extra hard tonight. Good night everyone.

Has the object returned?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 6:29am

I dont know, but I am considering camping out for a day or 2 near the Dublin/Selden area this next week.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 11, 2008, 6:38am

Quote:

I dont know, but I am considering camping out for a day or 2 near the Dublin/Selden area this next week.

Now, you're talkin'

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ajoiner on Feb 11, 2008, 6:47am

This was forwarded to me by someone else. Can anyone tell me what this is about?
AJ

It’s unfortunate (and not surprising) that Angela Joiners’ voice was silenced on this matter.

Hopefully she’ll find a new venue for her important reportage- perhaps even right here. But both she and Ricky Sorrell ought not compound their misfortune by posting on a site, Open Minds Forum, that is considered by almost all informed investigators of Ufology to be little more than an incipient cult and the home to closed-minded ‘true believers.’ This is a site in which one ‘moderator’ claims to be under the control an alien princess and another claims to be being harassed by ‘legions of demons.’ These two lunatic fringe moderators actually dominate the product of that forum. A careful reading of the threads there will verify this.

There are many respected forums in which posts concerning Ufology will not be automatically invalidated. I suggest that one of those be chosen, rather than a known cult site, as a conduit for this important disclosure. Further posting on OM will serve no other purpose than to discredit these important findings in the minds of serious researcher into the UFO phenomenon.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by platinumlurker on Feb 11, 2008, 6:54am

Hey AJ, That was posted somewhere else on the web (http://tiny.cc/isi5v)

My guess is someone from another forum trying to discredit OM... or there are a few people out there that think because the guy that hosted the Project Serpo website originally was a scientologist (allegedly) and this forum was trying to recruit scientologists. Nonsense and old news proven false long ago!!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 6:54am

Quote:

This was forwarded to me by someone else. Can anyone tell me what this is about?
AJ

It’s unfortunate (and not surprising) that Angela Joiners’ voice was silenced on this matter.

Hopefully she’ll find a new venue for her important reportage- perhaps even right here. But both she and Ricky Sorrell ought not compound their misfortune by posting on a site, Open Minds Forum, that is considered by almost all informed investigators of Ufology to be little more than an incipient cult and the home to closed-minded ‘true believers.’ This is a site in which one ‘moderator’ claims to be under the control an alien princess and another claims to be being harassed by ‘legions of demons.’ These two lunatic fringe moderators actually dominate the product of that forum. A careful reading of the threads there will verify this.

There are many respected forums in which posts concerning Ufology will not be automatically invalidated. I suggest that one of those be chosen, rather than a known cult site, as a conduit for this important disclosure. Further posting on OM will serve no other purpose than to discredit these important findings in the minds of serious researcher into the UFO phenomenon.

AJ- someone calling themself LK Walker
http://tiny.cc/isi5v

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 7:09am

Quote:

AJ- someone calling themself LK Walker
http://tiny.cc/isi5v

It's BS. I don't know what this guy's angle is but his claims are nonsense.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 7:11am

Maybe AJ knows more about this than we do?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by tychoma on Feb 11, 2008, 10:01am

I swear that 'LK Walker' has posted here before, but a search brings back nothing. I have definitely read his words before though.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by scarz on Feb 11, 2008, 3:24pm

Quote:

Kim Walker....Is none other than our many timed banned......TOON.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by jakereason on Feb 11, 2008, 3:39pm

Correct ScaRZ, Walker, aka cartoon syndicate, hibits, boycotteverything, has been banned no less than 6 times here over the past couple years.

We kept giving him extra chances, but shortly after, he'd start running off at the mouth again, criticizing people with prejudiced profanity. He has been banned on several forums multiple times. He became virtually impossible to moderate, and so we can't let him back on anymore.

He is very disgruntled about this. So his favorite forum, he now calls a cult.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by frootloop on Feb 11, 2008, 3:55pm

I forwarded that link to Bren over the weekend rather than posting about it here.

Apparently, LK Walker is just a bit of a plum really. OM is one of the best (if not THE best) paranormal forums on the net. Its certainly the busiest, best natured one around.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 11, 2008, 4:06pm

Motorcyclerick we did see this again sunday about 30 min after dark write above were you had been in my pasture last time you were here A man that i work with lives about 15 miles from me saw it and told me the next day that he thought it was above my place other people saw it to and they also say it was above my place when i came home that night over my cattle gaurd i saw it where you had been ONE BIG LIGHT SHOW! You are welcome to come back and look all you want to as are all the open mind people who have been posting on this subject as long as you are not the media or from MUFON..........IT IS STILL HANGING AROUND IT SEEMS Thank yall

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 11, 2008, 4:10pm

Quote:

And she's trying very hard to tread carefully, but with newfound knowledge on this sight, it's becoming easier for her. She's like my own and I want her to go forward, rather than stagnate because of closed minds that could have destroyed her career.

sherlane, I nominate you to be the Official Angelia Hugger. Personally transmit all the warmth and encouragement that people all over the world are sending her way.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by pam on Feb 11, 2008, 4:10pm

As I have said in the past, people can judge for themselves whether this Forum is reputable or not.

I will admit that there is the odd posting here and there that comes across a little strange and I wonder what those posters may have been smoking.

But all and all, the majority of the members and all of the Administrators and Moderators are very sincere in what they have to say.

I am not a religious person, perhaps I would classify myself as "spiritual", but the problem is, there are people out there that want everyone to think the way they do and they will continue sounding off that their way of thinking is the right way.

I don't see the regular posters trying to convert others to their ways of thinking or beliefs, they are just putting information out there and it is your choice to read or ignore what they are saying.

I choose to ignore a lot, but that being said, this Forum provides a wealth of information, knowledge, cooperation with others and an overall a pleasant place to discuss current phenomenons.

Most of my time is just lurking but I must admit, I am drawn to this site and I enjoy reading what the Senior and Regular posters have to say. Most are very knowledgeable, professional and kind.

Just my 2 cents, judge for yourself, not what others may want you to think.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 11, 2008, 4:35pm

Quote:

Motorcyclerick we did see this again sunday about 30 min after dark write above were you had been in my pasture last time you were here A man that i work with lives about 15 miles from me saw it and told me the next day that he thought it was above my place other people saw it to and they also say it was above my place when i came home that night over my cattle gaurd i saw it where you had been ONE BIG LIGHT SHOW! You are welcome to come back and look all you want to as are all the open mind people who have been posting on this subject as long as you are not the media or from MUFON..........IT IS STILL HANGING AROUND IT SEEMS Thank yall

Mr Sorrells - that is an amazing and fantastic offer to our members!!
Kudos, Sir!!

OK, guys / gals - remember to take your video and stills cams!

Mr Sorrells, may someone like MC Rick could 'vet' those attending your property - he knows the folk at OM.

Once again, Kudos!

second thoughts: possibly have people PM you for a 'password' - there are folk here who just read and don't join who will be wanting to 'gate-crash' your property after reading your invite to OMers. Or I or one of the Admin Team could do that for you - we know who the 'good guys / gals' are.

Bren / Admin

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 11, 2008, 4:47pm

Admin that is a good thinking since ontos and mc rick know were i am and if they want to maybe they could head this thing up

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by ontos on Feb 11, 2008, 4:49pm

One word of caution: It's sporadic – sometimes there and sometimes not.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 11, 2008, 4:55pm

Mr Sorrells, please check your PM (private messages) - you'll see near the top of this page " Hey, (name), you have (number messages"

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by olddood on Feb 11, 2008, 4:59pm

WOW....What a thread!

I 'know' why I enjoy coming here over any other forum.

"Path of the least resistance..."

Meaning there are Open Minds here.
Not only that...they are loving, caring, thoughtful, giving, funny, enjoyable minds as well.

Oh...and I am learning more and more truth everyday here as well.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 5:12pm

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Motorcyclerick we did see this again sunday about 30 min after dark write above were you had been in my pasture last time you were here

This is amazing. Was it the same giant object with the depressions in the bottom? How far away from you was it? If only someone could get this thing on camera in high resolution. Mr Sorrells, you say "we" saw it. So this means you now have corroborating witnesses? Is there some sort of pattern to this thing's visits?

MC Rick, Ontos and Verum, you guys should document this latest sighting. Get as much info as you can.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by admin on Feb 11, 2008, 5:30pm

OK - all systems go! I have sorted a 'vetting' protocol with Mr Sorrells - please see the FAO thread at the top of the board - if you're thinking of going - please read that first!!

What a bunch of 'real' people! I am honoured to witness such genuine 'grass-roots' collaboration! Wow!

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 5:32pm

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Admin that is a good thinking since ontos and mc rick know were i am and if they want to maybe they could head this thing up

Rick, You honor me with this offer, and I accept. I have already begun a dialogue with Ontos on the matter, and when we have some ideas on how to proceed, we will send you our ideas for your approval/disapproval before proceeding, thank you once again.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by 10538 on Feb 11, 2008, 6:08pm

Looks like the Empire Tribune has brought in a "humorist" in an attempt to derail this incident.

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/02/05/viewpoint/03.txt

Maybe this move will get the ptb off their backs.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 11, 2008, 6:19pm

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Looks like the Empire Tribune has brought in a "humorist" in an attempt to derail this incident.

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/02/05/viewpoint/03.txt

Maybe this move will get the ptb off their backs.

More like 'attempted' humor. He's riding on AJ's coattails trying to get a laugh...and he was successful, but I wasn't laughung at his humor, I was laughing at his lame attempt at humor.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by etherian on Feb 11, 2008, 7:13pm

I would like to interject something.
There has been a rush to judgement as to the military's involvement in this. That may be, but it stretches the borders of logic if you think about it a while. Why would they do this and what could they gain except unwanted publicity? It certainly has no effect on the people they do it to and they don't always do it to others who report similar and as dramatic encounters. So why?

But, what got me thinking was when I read the account from the man from Liverpool about the equipment failure he was having. If he was the only one in the neighborhood that had this problem, it could be due to a poltergeist effect. If it was only craft radiation related, the whole surrounding neighborhood would have computer crashes at the same time.

I recall some of this stuff historically, so I went back to some of my books from before and sure enough, some people who had UFO experiences also had poltergeist effects on them and their immediate property.

Along with that there were visits and threatening phone calls from both civilian types and military officers, that didn't appear to exist when checked out. In some cases, they looked a little strange and even talked strange using obsolete slang expressions.
I am sure that they are better at the language idioms by now.

As far as aircraft, choppers, et, al. that isn't at times what one really sees. Read my" Farmer and the Helicopters" account in encounters section. There are many cases of buzzing by aircraft and nothing accomplished except consternation by the victim.

I still feel we are dealing with a much larger issue here than simply the US Air Force wants to prevent reports like this from coming in. We don't know really very much about this whole enigma.

Going out to Ricky's place is good. It gives him some support and maybe something conclusive will be seen. Heck, if I had more time and it was a 1000 miles closer, I'd go myself.

I do think that it is impossible to jump to conclusions on this at this point.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by plop on Feb 11, 2008, 8:23pm

Wow, forum is really kicking, I am late but welcome to Angela J, missed reading your reports sundays addition. Welcome Ricky what a wonderful gesture to have people out. Just be careful. Those that do come to Erath, to visit Ricky, Welcome to Gods country.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 12, 2008, 12:20am

Hey guys and gals new vidieo on what i saw saturday night i had origanally said sunday but i was wrong as ontos and mc rick know i dont keep up with days or time very well a police vidieo gaught this and its suppose to be very good when we can see it i dont know?

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 12, 2008, 12:30am

As it is a police video, I am sure there is a very strong possibility we may not see it for a long time to come, if ever.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by sorrells on Feb 12, 2008, 12:48am

mc rick you will get to see it im just not sure when

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by uforeality on Feb 12, 2008, 1:01am

Hello Ricky!

Glad to see you on the forum.

Looking forward to this new video.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by onlookerdelay on Feb 12, 2008, 1:07am

This has probably already been mentioned elsewhere at OMF, but Ian Punnett did cover Angelia's departure from the Empire-Tribune during the first hour of Coast to Coast AM last night. He had Steve Hammons (writer of the Angelia Joiner story on American Chronical's website) on as a guest to speak about the story. Ian was intrigued with the story, but I could hear the air leaving Ian's balloon when he learned her firing wasn't the dramatic showdown he'd invisioned. I hope it was enough to keep the story alive until George Knapp next makes an appearance because I know George has a greater passion for this sort of story.

One detail of this interview didn't seem to mesh with my understanding of what happened (and Angelia or Steve, if you're tuned in, please set me straight on this) was that the way the interview went, it sounded like the newspaper immediately turned the tables on Angelia and fired her as soon as she offered her notice. I thought that the firing didn't occur until the morning after the notice was served, and that Angelia's computer had been confiscated inconjunction with that. I think Ian might have kept his ire up about it if he knew that... but again, I may not have my facts straight.

Finally, I need some help with pronunciation. Steve pronounced Angelia's name as "an-jeh-luh". Is it that or "an-jeh-lee-uh"? We have some Sorrells in my region, but they all pronounce their name as "sorr'- els", but Steve was prouncing it as "sorr-els'". Which is correct? I'm discussing this with my friends and colleagues and I'd like to get the pronunciations right.

Re: UFO sighting in Erath County, Texas
Post by motorcyclerick on Feb 12, 2008, 1:34am

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Finally, I need some help with pronunciation. Steve pronounced Angelia's name as "an-jeh-luh". Is it that or "an-jeh-lee-uh"? We have some Sorrells in my region, but they all pronounce their name as "sorr'- els", but Steve was prouncing it as "sorr-els'". Which is correct? I'm discussing this with my friends and colleagues and I'd like to get the pronunciations right.

Oh boy, I think I may have started something here