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« Reply #1410 on Oct 13, 2008, 3:00am »

Open letter to Michael Salla re latest on UN meetings:

Like you I find the UN meeting reports and Source A's account
interesting. Although you find that the reports still need
independent confirmation, if we look at the reports from an If-then
perspective we see some patterns consistent with earlier, unrelated
reports.

For example, the Navy's leading role in sorting out information for
the public is something we've seen previously. I wonder whether a
distinction is made within the Navy between Navy intel and the higher
admiralty. The use of middle-rank officers is a good way to pose a
measure of deniability.

The hostility of Saudi Arabia and some other Islamic countries to
disclosure would be expected. Disclosure would remove a layer of
elite management of religious phenomena that puts off public
perception of Saud family fraud. In some other Islamic nations,
disclosure would stimulate independent critical thinking, on the one
hand, while also posing the possibility of alien use of religious
themes in ways beyond official or clerical control. I wonder whether
Dubai is more liberal in this regard, given their press.

But Germany's reported hostility is a conundrum. I have a brother who
has lived in Germany for about 16 years and he often complains of a
resistance there to new ideas--especially alien-related topics. On
the other hand, a manipulated post-war circumstance bred deep
skepticism in Germany. Add to that German leeriness of US imperial
dundering and you can also see where Germans may also fear a
disclosure scenario that deals too strong a hand to US managment of
the subject.

I wonder why Source A would find India "impossible to deal with." The
East has long acknowledged the existence of aliens and a re-cycling
universe cosmology, hence there are less ideological obstacles. So I
wonder whether India may be seen as TOO willing to open to the
public. India's ability to blend alien appearance with traditional
outlook may cause US and European manipulators to fear loose lips in
India. Disclosure immediately calls into question whether India would
obey and conform to US military-industrial and nuclear agendas. India
may simply say it will manage its relations with aliens as it always
has... Imagine the corporate reaction to that.

And if China wants the US to pay for disclosure, it might not be so
much a financial concern. Instead, it may represent the fact that
China can plainly see that the US has a certain agenda that China
doesn't want to be appended to as though in total agreement. The
Chinese certainly know that a US black budget cabal has a deeper
technological inroad, probably more extensive human-alien contacts of
a technological sort, than does the Chinese government. They may even
fear breeding program infiltration of US elites, i.e. in the "tall
white" and gray case (see the reports of Charles Hall, Corso, Robert
Dean, Lt. Col. Steven Wilson, and Clifford Stone). Of course, as
Naomi Klein writes, now that a Friedmanesque agenda has resulted in
94% of China's billionaires being the children of former top
Communist party officials, believe it or not, China may have black
budget/cabal complications of its own.

Source A's report that the Air Force handled contact with
extraterrestrial life would tail with what Charles Hall and others
say about the tall whites, for example. From the perspective of Col.
Philip Corso's colleagues, we can imagine deep concerns in the Navy
and the Army about the Air Force being compromised (or even
infiltrated?) as a result of those contacts. That would parallel
Corso's old notes about how the Army felt that anything it told the
CIA about aliens or alien technology would soon end up in KGB hands
due to a web of loose-lips and compromises. In this case, the fear
would be that vulnerable information in the Air Force goes straight
to aliens and those dark eyed hybrids in black (rather than men in
black), so to speak. The Air Force role could be one of unbridled
ambition to copy and have control of alien flight technology. Add
stiff doses of alcohol and revolving door ambition (or a lust for
power) and you can see how problems might arise in those reported off-
world "junkets."

The Navy's reported concern about and investigations of "world" and
corporate hostility to disclosure could suggest that the Navy
suspects that there is more to the situation than simple human
reticence. The presence of what David Jacobs refers to as late-
stage/human breeding program operatives (also noted by Robert Dean)
may be a wild card in the equation. The Navy and other informed
observers on this planet are keenly aware of that. Infiltrated
personnae would not be trying to smooth tensions, at the moment--for
obvious reasons.

Some readers may wonder why the Navy would have a discrete policy
interest of long standing. It stems from that fact that, as Corso
wrote, the different services each began programs to investigate and
research downed alien technology (and more) after Roswell, perhaps
earlier. Because the Navy was selected to do the first early Idaho
nuclear reactor research (ostensibly for submarine and carrier use),
the Navy was the obvious early choice to research what was then
suspected to possibly be alien use of nuclear technology--way back
circa 1947. Of course we now know that alien technology is scalar and
beyond, but back in 1947 scientific knowledge wasn't so broadly
based. As a result, the Navy has long had a discrete interest in
aliens and ufo's.

Source A said that the "USAF has handed off to the US Navy
responsibility for a specific contact project involving the
extraterrestrials discussed in the February 12 meeting." That
suggests that the Air Force may be either embarrassed at the depth
and closeness it has allowed tall white and other aliens reportedly
directly based inside the United States, or the Air Force is aware
that the other uniform services may see a possible threat in direct,
sometimes dutiful obedience of Air Force officers in both aiding and
providing for tall white and other alien presence here. The United
States is on particularly weak feet during its current economic
situation, hence the Air Force hand-off to the Navy may represent
tacit admission that the Air Force is far over its head.

In addition, we have to wonder whether the situation is one in which
compromised Air Force officers (and their corporate cohorts) may want
the Navy to get a taste of their interactions with such aliens. The
problem, of course, is that any breeding program operatives or
aligned aliens would quickly try to treat Navy officers to a dribble
of technology and special off-world buddy arrangements. To date, the
Navy has been the most independent of the services, hence this late-
stage conspicuous contact almost suggests a measure of desperation on
the given aliens' part. Which aliens, we must ask?

Human-alien contacts have proceeded so far and to such explicit
extent (even in my own case) that this last Navy-alien case seems
very, very late in the entire process. The Navy probably knows much
more than we see on the surface.

The reported threats to UN diplomats by international corporations
may represent more than mere greed. All nations involved in this
process, i.e. China, can easily see that alien breeding program
operatives are an important human concern, especially when humankind
is proceeding beyond a technological threshold that will allow us to
derive competent scalar and inter-stellar flight and communications
technology independent of the most visible of current alien
interventions. So it is very late in the day, in that regard, hence
we see two competing factions in the reported UN meetings: pro-
disclosure vs. a narrow corporate and Saudi money elite.

The fact that some in the military clearly want the public to know
about and peer into the competing, partly compromised factions in the
UN meetings story (if we look at it from an if-then perspective)
shows that we aren't alone in perceiving stark dangers in those who
are trying to thwart competent public knowledge of this process. It's
a question not only of diclosure, but WHAT KIND of disclosure is in
the offing. As US imperial influence wanes and other nations begin to
see the potential for a less filtered, less murderous/corporate kind
of public awareness, we should expect to see potentially dangerous
moves by the compromised parties.

--George LoBuono Davis, CA
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« Reply #1411 on Oct 13, 2008, 3:39am »

Amazing! Thanks Temp for the good times. Thanks to Dr. Salla for the report.

The anti -US overtones are very understandable {all recent events considered}. The implied fear must reside in our prolonged exposure to the subject/tech paradigm?
I can only imagine the numerous ways the Chinese would want us to 'pay for disclosure'!
The Germans I can't get. It must be in defense of Siemens or BASF and industrial sectors.
The Indians (it seems to me) fear for their nuclear ambitions, obvious over population and 2nd world polluter status. A global 'awakening' might slow the economic boom of IT outsourcing...maybe caste systems?
It is also evident that the Saudi Wadabism/totallitarian monarchy would falter under any type of disclosure of extraterrestrials. I can't believe they would tolerate any threat to the edicts; i.e. free thought/speech or egalitarianism. I often wonder how mullahs/iahtollas would react to a global display of craft....
No disrepect to the squids- but I wonder if a hand-off by the flyboys would be meant to slow this down...divert or deflect progress made. Maybe the USAF was on a crash course with disclosure and this is a way to slow the entrophy of security....(or passivley having them work on stalled areas of research) Plausible deniability by shifting of responsibility? Or maybe the opposite-encouraging release by spreading the secret to more party goers.....

National media would not take 'A' seriously--credentials be damned. This would just be another joke du jour and then he would dissapear never to be met with again. The Conformer for example--they would never buy it--it is just toooooo nuts. Us on the other hand, are too nuts not to get it!(?)
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« Reply #1412 on Oct 13, 2008, 4:08am »

Just for clarification before everyone supposes China to be the one at odds with "paying for it." Please do not start on some magilla. To name some nation state as the one who wants us (U.S.) to pay is dangerous. I did not say this. Please, be careful. There are many players who would like the United States to pay for disclosure.
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« Reply #1413 on Oct 13, 2008, 4:35am »


Oct 13, 2008, 4:08am, temporal wrote:
Just for clarification before everyone supposes China to be the one at odds with "paying for it." Please do not start on some magilla. To name some nation state as the one who wants us (U.S.) to pay is dangerous. I did not say this. Please, be careful. There are many players who would like the United States to pay for disclosure.


People were getting that idea from this part of Dr Salla's report:


Quote:

Military liaison(s) from China attended all the Upstate NY meetings (though not the original February 12 meeting) and said that the US should "pay for disclosure". According to Source A this was a considerable point of contention.

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-80.htm
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« Reply #1414 on Oct 13, 2008, 4:56am »


Oct 13, 2008, 4:35am, montalk wrote:

Oct 13, 2008, 4:08am, temporal wrote:
Just for clarification before everyone supposes China to be the one at odds with "paying for it." Please do not start on some magilla. To name some nation state as the one who wants us (U.S.) to pay is dangerous. I did not say this. Please, be careful. There are many players who would like the United States to pay for disclosure.


People were getting that idea from this part of Dr Salla's report:


Quote:

Military liaison(s) from China attended all the Upstate NY meetings (though not the original February 12 meeting) and said that the US should "pay for disclosure". According to Source A this was a considerable point of contention.

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-80.htm


Like I said folks. It is the "you go first" with disclosure. That means we pay for it. This means every nation from my understanding who is passing the buck.
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« Reply #1415 on Oct 13, 2008, 7:17am »

so define paying what sort of payment would it be ( philsopihical, economic, power, military or gloabl choas)
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« Reply #1417 on Oct 13, 2008, 12:38pm »

Huh? Not to beat the dead horse-but the good doctor's report clearly says that it was a bone of contention with the Chinese. But I'll leave it alone....

I also get that there is a lot of meaning in paying for it. Financially, technologically, economically, sociologically, ideologically, institutionally, etc. Am I correct in this?

Is there any mention of Conformers or 'others' involved/present in the meetings (upstate) after the initial UN meetings? Is it safe to assume that the EBEs can easedrop/survail meetings in order to know the direction of policy shifts?
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Oct 13, 2008, 12:38pm, hamstrung2 wrote:
Huh? Not to beat the dead horse-but the good doctor's report clearly says that it was a bone of contention with the Chinese. But I'll leave it alone....

I also get that there is a lot of meaning in paying for it. Financially, technologically, economically, sociologically, ideologically, institutionally, etc. Am I correct in this?

Is there any mention of Conformers or 'others' involved/present in the meetings (upstate) after the initial UN meetings? Is it safe to assume that the EBEs can easedrop/survail meetings in order to know the direction of policy shifts?


Hamstrung2,

If you mean were there any ETs present at the upstate meetings? I do not believe so. I do not know if the Conformers or any other ET race were mentioned either? As for ETs knowing about our policy shifts through surveillance, this I cannot say. I doubt it though.

Yes, it would appear that the participants look to the United States as the cash cow with the most teats. This was especially evident during the economic meeting.
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« Reply #1419 on Oct 13, 2008, 2:27pm »

Very well. Thanks for the response and keep up the good work. NY Giants!
As stated by others previously...a pic, a short vid, an equation or galactic star location {or somekind of persuasive tidbit o'evidence} from 'A' might go a long way with some of the dissallusioned OMFers. Something, anything. Especially once this Oct 14 farce is over tommorow/this week...we will need to refocus on- something tangible.

Is it possible to ask "A" about Project Bluebeam? Or how the squids view the recent statements by Edgar Mitchell and other disgruntled NASAnauts? Thanks!
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« Reply #1420 on Oct 13, 2008, 2:42pm »


Oct 13, 2008, 2:27pm, hamstrung2 wrote:

As stated by others previously...a pic, a short vid, an equation or galactic star location {or somekind of persuasive tidbit o'evidence} from 'A' might go a long way with some of the dissallusioned OMFers. Something, anything.



I'm afraid this is a line that cannot be crossed at this time, based on Temp's consistent statements on this topic in the past. Hoping I'm wrong though...

Also interested in the Ed Mitchell angle as regards Source A...
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Oct 13, 2008, 2:27pm, hamstrung2 wrote:
Very well. Thanks for the response and keep up the good work. NY Giants!
As stated by others previously...a pic, a short vid, an equation or galactic star location {or somekind of persuasive tidbit o'evidence} from 'A' might go a long way with some of the dissallusioned OMFers. Something, anything. Especially once this Oct 14 farce is over tommorow/this week...we will need to refocus on- something tangible.

Is it possible to ask "A" about Project Bluebeam? Or how the squids view the recent statements by Edgar Mitchell and other disgruntled NASAnauts? Thanks!


Hamstrung2 and B2,

Remember, our source is on rest and recovery. He has had very little contact with the military in general. I can safely say that his response would be -- "I'm way past that." And Yes, B2. We would love to have something more tangible as proof. We would have to wait and see what ideas the working groups come up with in the future. As an aside, we are just waiting on our source to okay and date the SOM1-01 article for release, otherwise, Dylan is going to tar and feather me (lol).

P.S. I'll ask about Bluebeam
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« Reply #1422 on Oct 13, 2008, 4:50pm »

PTB: defined as both US & International Corporations with arms/hands in various governments, overlaping with additional special interest groups. Definition applies to the subjects...exopolitics/ufology, NWO conspiracy research, global banking/money powers.

This is why I have from the start strongly recommended cross-referencing of all data in these subjects...and that the researchers of the last two subjects leave gaping holes in motivations when they refuse to examine the exopolitical/ufology angles of involvement. How would the PTB maintain power and control if they did not maintain control of the worlds greatest kept secret?

It is correct to say that the mainstream media is corporate...this has long been known. They are both corporate and owned by corporations in many ways. This is why the internet as a free uncontrolled medium is such a threat and is now under very real attack...will the Corporations be successful in muzzling the internet starting with Canada next year? They will if you allow it.

There are to ways the current financial chaos could affect disclosure...one the ptb is successful in consolidating their monetary control...i.e. the blank check to the big corporations, and the free reign recently given to Cheney/Paulson & Co....or that same chaos manages to expose, devolve, weaken the PTB enough that they are too distracted to hold back the full onslaught of pro-disclosure players as portions of their control structure bail off the sinking ship and swim for higher ground.

Yes the current financial chaos was contrived and the U.S. Congress caved into blackmail...they gave them exactly what they wanted and more...the only problem is that global economic system is very complex and can they really fully control it like they expect to? If they can't or if enough people wake up and insert their own influence then windows of opportunity for many things such as changes/adjustments in (corporate) power structure, a course correction in human behavior, and disclosure among others could be possible.

As far as who raised a ruckus about the economic issues...you might look at the portions of the ptb who gains the most by taking down the rockafeller faction. yes there are many factions but there are two big ones who are seemingly out to get each other and both with intentions to take out the U.S. in the process. Another look at the current financial situation will point you in the right direction.
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p.s....To Source A: glad to see you could find some common ground with the Russian fellow, and that they were also at the table...no stone left unturned....from the seat of the stone to rainbows pointing direction to the journey of flowing waters, it is not the pot of gold which is valuable but the search...the journey made together which yields the greatest benefits.


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« Reply #1423 on Oct 13, 2008, 5:41pm »

Uncle John here: I have the price for paying for disclosure.

I woke up this morning with the solution to all the world's current economic and financial problems. So help me God.

"All money transfers are public domain knowledge as per government approved contracts."

In other words, no more derivative contracts made up in the darkness. No more Credit Default Swaps. No more fine print! As Warren Buffet said, these derivative contracts are financial weapons of mass destruction. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2817995.stm

In other words, you can't transfer money in private and you can't transfer money without complete reference to government approved contract terms. Computers could handle this. Believe me.

I wonder what the ET's are going to think about having to deal on these terms?


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Oct 12, 2008, 5:35pm, temporal wrote:

Oct 12, 2008, 9:31am, Christophe wrote:
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I have a question
The article mentioned this

the US should "pay for disclosure". According to Source A this was a considerable point of contention.

Could Temp explain this part a little more ?

Thanks



Hey Christophe,

I am not allowed to name the country that knocked heads with the U.S. delegation over the economic issue regarding disclosure. I will say that it got heated. Both participants stood up and squared off across the table from each other until cooler heads prevailed. One of the Russian delegates was amused by it all and seemed to hit it off with our source. Needless to say, it was not the Russian who got angry. This squabble did do some good in that both our source and the Russian got along great afterwards. I guess even Cold War adversaries can find common ground.


Thanks for answering that.

Do you know anything about the attitudes or opinions of the ETS towards disclosure, are they pushing for it, do they care or dont they have an opinion ?
This year has seen a lot of UFO reports are they showing up more often on purpose, or have they informed the US governments that they may start appearing more often or making themselves known more in some way ?

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